13:59:30 #startmeeting Airship Meeting 2018-11-06 13:59:31 Meeting started Tue Nov 6 13:59:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sthussey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:59:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:59:34 The meeting name has been set to 'airship_meeting_2018_11_06' 13:59:50 GM! o/ 14:00:29 Good morning everyone, markburnett is unavailable this morning so I'm typing the commands for meetbot 14:00:52 Our agenda is up at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/airship-meeting-2018-11-06 14:01:38 I'll give everyone a few minutes to add any topics they'd like and then we'll get started 14:01:50 \o 14:04:19 Hello 14:05:56 Okay, it is 5 after so let's get started 14:06:16 #topic Announcement - Airship at the Berlin Summit 14:06:29 One thing to add here on top of last week in prep for the summit 14:07:06 We have a handful of airship-related forum topics - I have put up the beginnings of etherpads to start prepping for those 14:07:12 So just a few links in the agenda with opportunities to learn about or contribute to Airship at the Summit 14:07:31 They are not well fleshed out yet but wanted to have something to share this am 14:07:35 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-container-security 14:07:35 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-airship-qa 14:07:35 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-airship-bare-metal 14:08:14 I believe the Airship core team will have 4 representatives at the summit presenting in some capacity 14:08:18 For cross-project lessons learned around containerized security, Airship for QA use, and Airship bare metal provisioning discussion 14:08:57 Feedback / help grooming those appreciated! Share with folks who might be interested as well. 14:08:59 Thx! 14:09:33 We'll move on as mattmceuen has provided a forum for feedback and questions 14:09:49 #topic OB - Airship-in-a-bottle (AIAB) status 14:10:24 Last week during the meeting, the tip of master for AIAB wasn't working. I don't know if anyone has an update on that? 14:11:00 A fix was put in - I don't think I heard positive / negative confirmation of whether that resolved things, but may have missed it? 14:11:03 I've not stood up an instance since before I was vacationing last week - when I left, One issue was resolved, but more remained - I didn't see any changes fly by to fix any more of it. 14:11:24 Are there bugs in storyboard or any such for the remaining issues? 14:11:41 not that I created, so I don't know. 14:12:01 but one issue was with the move of Promenade to use PBR - this seems to have introduced a problem. 14:12:02 Where's the best info live, in the mailing list? 14:12:16 I think in the line above your question. 14:12:39 There is a CI gate that attempts to run AIAB 14:13:01 however, it is silent as there is currently no capacity to publish logs without being on a private network 14:13:16 so we can internally look there for the latest status 14:13:22 need to get that solidified. I had to move on to some other work yesterday, so I've not gotten back at AIAB just yet. Sounds like this is my plan for today - I'll start creating bugs for issues I find and can't fix immediately. 14:13:42 thank you b-str please tag me on those, I'll try to help too 14:13:55 need to get that in good shape before berlin 14:14:00 yep 14:14:06 not that it's good to be broke the rest of the time either :) 14:14:10 #action b-str will be working to flush out the last issues for AIAB 14:14:43 the other end is future plans for said demo 14:14:43 Mind you I'll be focusing on the script version, not the multinode gates version for the time being. 14:15:03 okay 14:15:10 it's the script version that's run by the gate, right? 14:15:22 (the broken job I mean) 14:15:27 It's the one pointed to by our webpage 14:15:32 there has been some discussion about consolidating the airship-in-a-bottle demo with airship-treasuremap 14:15:49 that has an item in storyboard. 14:16:29 https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003778 14:16:43 looks like there is also a bug on storyboard for general failure 14:16:48 Hey, so we've started tagging stable, worthy treasuremap integrations: https://github.com/openstack/airship-treasuremap/releases 14:16:54 as releases 14:17:19 Maybe a good practice would be, post TM-refactoring, to point AiaB to the most recent globals from that 14:17:48 https://github.com/openstack/airship-treasuremap/releases 14:17:54 if that is target state, then we need a stable branch as well as tags 14:18:14 otherwise someone has to continually update AIAB config to point at a new tag 14:18:28 that storyboard item above needs more love and attention... I put it out as a stake in the ground. 14:18:46 Please provide feedback, direction, etc... to help move that forward. 14:19:04 I guess my point sthussey was that, inasmuch as aiab is a "demo", would make sense to demo one of the more formal release tags 14:19:05 I think it would make sense to have decisions like ^^^^ be part of that story. 14:19:26 ++ 14:20:11 In general, I think we all want the same thing - predictable, recent, and repeatable AIAB. 14:20:58 I think an item for next week 14:21:11 would be to get a little more detail on the release process planned by kaspars 14:21:12 okay, so an opportunity for someone to review both airship-in-a-bottle and airship-treasuremap and then provide some enhancement to the storyboard item b-str linked above 14:21:42 my impression was that these releases would be "periodic", read monthly(?) but that would be a very different animal from e.g. nightly tags 14:22:08 anyone interested in taking that on? 14:22:14 not sure. as far as I know it was unilateral, so kaspars would need to provide that information. 14:22:54 sorry, I meant taking on the opportunity you mentioned sthussey: 14:22:54 " an opportunity for someone to review both airship-in-a-bottle and airship-treasuremap and then provide some enhancement to the storyboard item b-str linked above" 14:23:54 I want to help with that but will be out for a couple weeks after this week, so maybe someone looking to get experience in manifest engineering / QA realm might be interested in taking point 14:24:17 But we can take that offline / bring up in chat later too 14:24:25 Okay 14:24:46 #action Work on enhancing storyboard 2003778 14:24:54 Any other comments on AIAB? 14:25:02 not from me 14:25:23 Moving on then 14:25:26 #topic OB - Ironic support as a node driver in Drydock 14:25:53 Just wanted to bring this back as there is an outstanding spec linked in the agenda 14:26:09 Anyone interested in this functionality should provide feedback there 14:26:31 Anything else? 14:26:39 Has this been reviewed on the Thursday meeting ? 14:26:51 I've missed too many of those 14:26:59 I don't know, I don't attend 14:27:17 Maybe we can see if this is ready for Rodolfo to cover there. 14:27:26 and maybe spur some conversation 14:27:29 I'm not sure we can make that meeting a gate for work 14:27:41 probably not... just an idea 14:27:43 but certainly can be broached in that forum if there is interest 14:28:18 agree, there's good discussion around specs in rodolfo's call, would be a good place to cover 14:28:33 also, in the forum mentioned above for folks at the summit next week 14:28:35 but until then, anyone interested should provide feedback via Gerrit in the spec 14:29:07 Anything else? 14:29:54 Moving on to new business 14:30:10 #topic NB - Best forums for support 14:30:52 Question on this ... I see this is about what channel to use, but is there any discussion about expectations and levels of support? Or is that a completely different discussion? 14:31:01 So dealing in reality, Airship is something mostly maintained by folks at AT&T at this point. 14:31:11 Well, I think it all is entangled 14:31:56 My point in putting it on here is that community support requests are not always going to be prioritized such that they are responded to quickly 14:32:35 Hi. 14:32:52 Who would reply to te e-mail's we've got today morning? 14:32:52 I think I agree with the channels for support as listed though - might want to call out the subreddit since that's kinda new 14:33:09 like as an announcement 14:33:18 So IRC may not be the best forum for these types of request because synchronous communication becomes painful between timezone differences and folks only having capacity to respond occasionally. 14:33:38 Well, I wanted to bring this to a discussion in terms of what is the best forum 14:33:46 ah 14:33:51 Some of the cores have recently received direct emails asking for support 14:34:10 this is not the best way, and IMO, not an appropriate way 14:34:29 I would aslo try to note somewhere that logs should be posted to some pastebin, and not directly to the e-mail/irc/subreddit 14:34:30 yeah, keeping those in the open will 1) increase odds of getting help 2) increase odds of other folks benefitting from the help 14:34:33 *also 14:34:43 good thought roman 14:34:46 As I mentioned, IRC has issues with the challenges of synchronous communication 14:35:07 I kinda like the subreddit for its persistence and threading and searchability. IRC can do some of that (digests), but seems a lot more transient. 14:35:18 though IRC is certainly appropriate, just may not yield success 14:35:33 I also think the subreddit is a pretty nice forum 14:35:51 Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-deckhand master: docs: Add use cases for each of the mutation operations https://review.openstack.org/615892 14:35:56 but at this point it exists basically to squat on the name until the OSF decides how to handle 2nd tier social media 14:36:14 If we want to make it active, how best to achieve that? 14:36:27 At the moment we don't really check tickets created in the storyboard (I would say it's not very apropriate tool for bug reports, it's more for the software project development management). I would suggest to remove mentioning of the storyboard from docs. 14:36:30 Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-deckhand master: docs: Add use cases for each of the mutation operations https://review.openstack.org/615892 14:36:49 Maybe updates on airshipit.org about how to request assistance? 14:36:51 roman_g I'd rather do a better job at responding personally 14:37:01 it's a good tool if we use it well 14:37:24 Include what roman_g stated about sharing logs 14:37:34 I've added storyboard to the forum list 14:37:42 Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/airship-deckhand master: docs: Add use cases for each of the mutation operations https://review.openstack.org/615892 14:37:48 mattmceuen: me too, but in fact we don't respond often there. 14:37:52 At some point, you've spread attention too thin to make any of those forums as efficient as they could be 14:38:18 hey roman_g, what emails were you referring to - I didn't see any from the ML this morning? Did I miss them? 14:38:37 sthussey: yes that is a challenge 14:39:08 I would prefer to pick one forums and make it the preferred forum for support requests 14:39:19 And then provide some guidance about that on airshipit.org 14:39:49 Including what content to include (logs, versions, commands run, etc...) and how best to include it (pastebin, etc...) 14:40:18 No need to decide anything today as attendance is sparse, but something to consider 14:40:31 I think that's a great idea 14:40:37 that page is the front door 14:40:57 so "how to best seek assistance" is a good thing to have front and center 14:41:02 sthussey: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ and http://paste.openstack.org/ are free, ads-free, and Ubuntu-one allows nearly unlimited number of lines (in comparison to the most popular Pastebin.com) 14:41:30 Also it appears to be accessible from AT&T's corporate network 14:41:44 lol 14:43:22 I've updated the agenda w/ this idea. We can review next week and possibly decide a path forward. 14:43:27 ++ 14:43:29 oh wait 14:43:37 next week is the summit - two weeks? 14:43:56 Okay, we'll review next week and target a decision for two weeks 14:44:10 Sadly I'll be on vacation in 2 weeks, but... wait that's not sad at all 14:44:14 im a big fan of modernpaste: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/ 14:44:17 Does anyone have the etherpad link for the topics of the meeting? 14:44:28 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/airship-meeting-2018-11-06 14:44:33 thanks!! 14:44:55 @mattmceuen if you add any additional thoughts in the agenda for today, they'll be carried forward 14:45:09 awesome, thx sthussey 14:45:23 any other comments on support forums? 14:46:14 Okay, moving to the last topic 14:46:30 that is some high tech paste portdirect! Also accessible from behind my corporate proxy, neat. 14:46:40 #topic Review Requests 14:47:06 ah I added this one 14:47:10 I'm not going to paste them here, you can refer to the agenda 14:47:32 Just combined a few of the requests into one place along with one other -- the spyglass spec, it needs some review 14:47:54 If anyone has other things they're pining for review on, please add it to the agenda! 14:48:04 Personal opinion is that outside of specs, I'm not sure this is a good forum for review requests 14:48:23 But doesn't hurt to include them in the agenda 14:48:57 Okay then, I think that wraps it up 14:49:28 thanks! 14:49:32 Next meeting will likely be light attendance as it overlaps the summit. We'll table any decisions that come up next week 14:49:51 Thank you for the meeting. 14:49:53 thanks everyone 14:49:56 #endmeeting