16:00:48 <edleafe> #startmeeting api-sig 16:00:57 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Sep 7 16:00:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:58 <elmiko> beat me to it 16:00:59 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:01:02 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' 16:01:07 <dtantsur> o/ 16:01:09 <edleafe> #chair cdent elmiko edleafe 16:01:15 <openstack> Warning: Nick not in channel: cdent 16:01:16 <openstack> Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko 16:01:26 <edleafe> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda 16:01:48 <edleafe> cdent isn't around; I think he's enjoying his time between vmware visit and PTG 16:01:53 <elmiko> gotcha 16:02:34 * dtantsur will have to run after roughly 30 mins 16:03:01 <edleafe> dtantsur: it shouldn't take that long :) 16:03:02 <edleafe> #topic previous meeting action items 16:03:03 <edleafe> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/ 16:03:19 <edleafe> Only action was for elmiko to send another note to PTLs, and that was done 16:03:27 <edleafe> Still no takers? 16:03:27 <elmiko> \o/ 16:03:30 <elmiko> nah 16:03:43 <elmiko> i think dtantsur and tellesnobrega are the only people who have expressed any interest 16:04:09 <elmiko> i also am putting together my test case to use, so we'll have something to discuss on that front 16:04:27 <edleafe> Maybe we should follow up with the PTLs later asking why: did they not feel that it was needed, or did they not want to appear dumb, or... 16:04:37 <elmiko> great idea 16:04:50 <dtantsur> what I hear is: changing API is too hard, so we probably just leave it as it is.. 16:04:54 <elmiko> we could put together a google form and mail it out after the ptg ? 16:04:58 <dtantsur> it may be different for people who itnroduce moar new API 16:05:04 <edleafe> We can use the docs from the test case to explain it better 16:05:09 <elmiko> good point dtantsur 16:05:25 <elmiko> edleafe: that's what i was hoping, something to seed our example case 16:05:26 <edleafe> dtantsur: yeah, I didn't want them to think that was the goal 16:05:48 <edleafe> dtantsur: it was more for new/planned APIs and changes 16:06:17 <dtantsur> then maybe we should reach out to people who just plan on joing the big tent (or how is it called now?) 16:06:39 <dtantsur> they have bigger chances of needing our guidance 16:07:05 <elmiko> yeah, if we could have something that new projects could evaluate early in their process that would be excellent 16:07:06 <edleafe> It's now "the cozy condo" 16:07:13 <elmiko> LOL 16:07:27 <dtantsur> meaning: reach out not only to the official PTLs, but to leaders of the candidate projects 16:07:30 <dtantsur> yep :D 16:07:56 <elmiko> i think they missed a great opportunity to call it the Big Bike Shed 16:07:58 <edleafe> Do we have a resource listing such people? 16:08:06 <edleafe> elmiko: :) 16:08:09 <dtantsur> may require some manual work.. 16:08:17 <edleafe> truth in packaging 16:08:17 <elmiko> not sure if the governance repo has anything like that 16:08:34 <elmiko> but yeah, we'll probably have to pepper the mailing lists 16:08:39 <dtantsur> we can start with proposed governance changes 16:08:41 <edleafe> yeah, I'm only aware of them when they apply for inclusion 16:08:44 <dtantsur> there are like 4 projects proposed IIRC 16:08:52 <cdent> I’m not really here 16:08:55 <edleafe> cdent could help with that 16:08:59 <edleafe> if he were here 16:09:03 <dtantsur> WHO IS TALKING?? 16:09:10 <cdent> what can I help with? 16:09:13 <elmiko> is there any way we could get a blog post put up on the official openstack.org site? 16:09:31 <elmiko> or maybe superuser or something 16:09:52 <edleafe> cdent: sending the PTL invitation to new projects that are not yet in the ${BIG_TENT_REPLACEMENT} 16:10:00 <elmiko> cdent: we're discussing how we can reach out to new projects before they have joined the community, to help get the api messaging out earlier in their process 16:10:17 <dtantsur> then there is this Mogan project, which is Nova-for-Bare-Metal 16:10:25 <cdent> I’d say watch the commit logs for project-config, not governance 16:10:29 <dtantsur> they introduce new APIs on top of a nova-ish thing 16:10:59 <cdent> as governance will only get you stuff that is wanting to be "official" 16:11:04 <cdent> by then it is usually too late 16:11:39 <elmiko> yeah 16:12:03 <edleafe> cdent: can you maybe get a list of such groups to elmiko? 16:12:30 <cdent> i can take that action, but it won’t be today 16:12:50 * mlavalle waves at cdent 16:13:15 <elmiko> i think we're talking about sending this email after the ptg, is that accurate? 16:13:16 * cdent waves at mlavalle 16:13:20 * edleafe demands that cdent drop whatever he's doing and serve elmiko instead 16:13:24 <elmiko> haha 16:13:30 <cdent> I’ve missed these special moments 16:13:32 <dtantsur> lol 16:14:05 <edleafe> elmiko: if it were a week earlier, I'd go for it, but perhaps it's best to do it after PTG 16:14:12 <elmiko> agreed 16:14:50 <edleafe> ok, let's move on 16:14:51 <edleafe> #topic open mic and new biz 16:14:51 <edleafe> Only one item: 16:14:51 <edleafe> Turn PTG etherpad into more of a schedule 16:14:52 <edleafe> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-ptg-queens 16:15:03 <elmiko> will there be any projects in attendence at the ptg who are prospects? 16:15:03 <edleafe> We've kind of started that 16:15:27 <edleafe> elmiko: prospects for... ? 16:16:06 <elmiko> projects that want to join the ${BIG_TENT_REPLACEMENT} 16:16:16 <edleafe> I wouldn't expect them 16:16:27 <elmiko> ok, i didn't think so, but had to ask =) 16:16:29 <edleafe> One of the perks of being official is that you get space at PTG 16:16:34 <elmiko> right 16:16:46 <edleafe> Some official groups are doing virtual PTGs even 16:16:51 <edleafe> keeping costs down 16:16:57 <elmiko> interesting 16:16:58 <edleafe> and avoiding flying into the US 16:16:59 <cdent> elmiko: if you look at the etherpad for the SWG/TC room there’s some stuff on the new groups that are currently applying, some of which will be at ptg 16:17:14 <elmiko> cdent: ack, thanks! 16:18:09 <edleafe> I posted some proposed time boxes for the items on the PTG agenda 16:18:19 <edleafe> As elmiko already noted, some are a bit optimistic 16:18:53 <edleafe> I just wanted to signal that they were the types of topics that could fill any amount of space given to them 16:18:56 <elmiko> i think your thought process on the shorter ones was well reasoned 16:19:05 <dtantsur> do we have a slot for reading mordred's literature aloud? 16:19:08 <edleafe> So it was best to give them small targets 16:19:13 <elmiko> dtantsur: lol +1 16:19:26 <edleafe> dtantsur: let's do that after lunch when people will already be sleepy 16:19:29 <TheJulia> dtantsur: wouldn't that be mordred ranting? :) 16:19:31 <dtantsur> lol 16:19:34 <elmiko> haha 16:19:52 <dtantsur> TheJulia: we will be reading, mordred will be ranting.. 16:19:56 <edleafe> We can take turns reading it in our best mordred voice 16:19:58 <dtantsur> an ideal API SIG meeting 16:20:08 <dtantsur> edleafe: you won't enjoy my accent :) 16:20:27 <edleafe> dtantsur: heh 16:21:07 <edleafe> Any other topics for new biz? 16:21:52 <mordred> gah. I REALLY need to update two docs for the ptg ... 16:21:55 <mordred> so many things, so little time 16:22:37 <edleafe> mordred: yeah, quit goofing off! 16:23:10 <edleafe> #topic guidelines 16:23:10 <edleafe> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z 16:23:13 <edleafe> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z 16:23:28 <edleafe> No guideines listed as api-sig (yet!) 16:23:35 <edleafe> cdent 16:23:37 <edleafe> geez 16:23:53 <edleafe> cdent's extensions guideline looks pretty good 16:23:55 <cdent> wut? 16:24:03 <edleafe> is it freeze-able? 16:24:13 <elmiko> +1 16:24:19 <dtantsur> I'd say it's very straightforward 16:24:36 <dtantsur> "please don't do what ironic is doing with its API" 16:24:48 <edleafe> I haven't reviewed the latest version, so I'll do that after the meeting, and unless I find a stopper, I'll freeze it 16:24:53 <edleafe> Sound good? 16:24:57 <cdent> yes 16:24:57 <dtantsur> ++ 16:25:30 <edleafe> #action edleafe to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491611/ and freeze it if no problems are found 16:25:33 <elmiko> edleafe: sounds good 16:25:51 <edleafe> Anything else for guidelines? 16:26:42 <edleafe> moving on... 16:26:43 <edleafe> #topic bug review 16:26:44 <edleafe> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-sig 16:26:50 <edleafe> No new bugs 16:26:57 <edleafe> Any bug comments? 16:27:38 <elmiko> that link errors out for me 16:27:46 <elmiko> is it just because there are no bugs yet? 16:28:21 <edleafe> hmmm 16:28:32 <edleafe> I thought when I changed the name, the link would also follow 16:28:50 <edleafe> When I click the api-sig link, it redirects to the api-wg bug page 16:29:00 <elmiko> hrm 16:29:20 <edleafe> I'll check it out after the meeting 16:29:34 <elmiko> thanks 16:29:37 <edleafe> which leads us to... 16:29:38 <edleafe> #topic weekly newsletter 16:29:38 <edleafe> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter 16:30:03 <edleafe> elmiko: will you do the honors? Since cdent isn't here, of course 16:30:09 <elmiko> edleafe: sure thing 16:30:26 <edleafe> ok, ping us in -sdks when you're ready 16:30:35 <edleafe> Anything else before we close? 16:30:46 <elmiko> question about the freeze 16:30:58 <elmiko> should i hold off on the newsletter till you read that review? 16:31:37 <edleafe> ok, I'll do that first and then ping you 16:31:46 <elmiko> ack, i'll fix up the rest and just wait on that 16:31:52 <edleafe> you can write it up as if it will be frozen, but don't send it until it is 16:31:58 <elmiko> yup 16:32:28 <edleafe> I hope everyone has safe travels to the PTG! See you in Denver! 16:32:35 <edleafe> #endmeeting