16:00:15 <elmiko> #startmeeting api sig 16:00:16 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Aug 2 16:00:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:17 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:19 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' 16:00:22 <elmiko> #chair cdent elmiko edleafe dtantsur 16:00:23 <openstack> Current chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko 16:00:29 <dtantsur> o/ 16:00:31 <elmiko> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda 16:00:34 <elmiko> hey folks =) 16:00:38 <edleafe> geez, just one second before I hit return to start the meeting! 16:00:48 <elmiko> hahaha 16:00:53 * edleafe needs to type faster 16:01:10 <elmiko> it is a sort of free-for-all at the start there 16:01:15 <cdent> o/ 16:01:26 <elmiko> and here i thought i was waiting before hitting return 16:01:53 <elmiko> #topic previous meeting action items 16:01:54 <edleafe> oh sure, rub it in. We all get it, you can type fast 16:02:00 <elmiko> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/ 16:02:10 <elmiko> in fairness, i just cut and pasted 16:02:17 <dtantsur> heh 16:02:27 <elmiko> there, now the secret is out 16:02:51 <elmiko> so, how far did everyone make it through the draft? 16:03:00 <edleafe> I did 16:03:08 * edleafe gives himself a cookie 16:03:13 <cdent> I read the whole thing 16:03:16 * elmiko gives edleafe another cookie 16:03:25 * edleafe gives cdent a cookie too 16:03:27 <elmiko> i made it about 80% through 16:03:27 <cdent> I even gossiped about the parts I didn't agree with with someone 16:03:33 * elmiko gives cdent another cookie 16:03:41 <elmiko> ooh, bonus points for cdent ! 16:03:46 <cdent> ikr 16:03:54 <edleafe> Which parts were those? 16:04:00 <cdent> The part I didn't agree with was about not using specific 4xx responses 16:04:18 <dtantsur> I disagree with a few things, this being one of them 16:04:24 * dtantsur tries to remember 16:05:06 <dtantsur> overall the thing did not read like something breaking 16:05:09 <edleafe> I read it nearly a week ago, so the specifics are a bit fuzzy 16:05:22 <elmiko> for the most part, i found it to be quite sane, my concern for us is going through it more closely to ensure that we haven't make guidance that contradicts (assuming we adopt it as a starting point for something) 16:05:27 <dtantsur> a lot of "do not", but not much "instead do" 16:05:30 <cdent> yeah, it wasn't particularly revolutionary, sort of gentle intro to REST with some pragmatism added in 16:05:42 <elmiko> ++ 16:06:17 <dtantsur> I think we had something contradicting, but I cannot remember 16:06:23 * dtantsur needs to re-read it 16:06:41 <edleafe> I felt that a large part of our HTTP guidelines could have been replaced with "hey, read this" 16:07:10 <cdent> I wasn't really expecting it to provide much in the way of guidance for us, more sort of a lemon zesty refresher from the outside world, squeezed upon our staid interiors 16:07:19 <elmiko> that would really help spread the load of our guidance edleafe , i'm ++ 16:07:30 <cdent> it _would_ be good to link to it 16:07:56 <edleafe> Somehow reading an IETF draft proposal doesn't conjure up "lemon zesty" in my mind 16:07:57 <cdent> perhaps where we say "in the absence of direct guidance look at the rfcs" we could also say "and this good overview" 16:08:04 <elmiko> i'm kinda curious about our next steps here, like should we review it at a more detailed level? publish a link? wait for it to finalize? 16:08:05 <cdent> because in the end what we want is to be globally consistent 16:08:19 <elmiko> agreed cdent 16:08:27 <cdent> I can take that action 16:08:37 <elmiko> sweet, thanks! 16:08:38 <cdent> #action cdent add links to mnot http protocol thing 16:08:50 <edleafe> I think our guidelines need to be more succinct than this draft 16:09:00 <cdent> yes 16:09:01 <edleafe> But yeah, linking to it would be excellent 16:09:17 <cdent> there's much refactoring and refining it would be good to do 16:09:27 <edleafe> that draft is almost as wordy as a mordred patch! 16:09:32 <elmiko> haha 16:09:39 <dtantsur> lol 16:09:40 * elmiko notes "almost" 16:09:49 <cdent> unpossible 16:09:55 <mordred> nothing is that wordy 16:10:03 <elmiko> =D 16:10:13 <elmiko> any other comments on this topic? 16:10:40 <cdent> The showrunners for the api-sig have mordred pop up over the backstage wall for a few million $$ every few episodes 16:10:45 <cdent> and then he fades away 16:10:53 <elmiko> LOL 16:10:56 <dtantsur> :D 16:10:57 <elmiko> so good 16:11:00 <elmiko> #topic open mic and ongoing or new biz 16:11:20 <elmiko> i guess we didn't clean up the kruft here, but anything to discuss that is not the draft thingie? 16:11:45 <cdent> anything we need/want to think about PTG-wise? 16:12:12 <edleafe> I was thinking that the PTG would be a good place to discuss the draft thingy in more detail 16:12:16 <elmiko> who is going to be there? 16:12:25 <edleafe> I'm hoping to go 16:12:41 <edleafe> But IBM is still dragging their collective feet on travel approval 16:12:43 * mordred would like to actually meet with y'all this ptg instead of not doing that like I have done at the last few 16:12:57 <mordred> edleafe: I do not want to visualize IBM's collective feet 16:12:59 <cdent> edleafe: you could almost drive up and camp in the halls 16:13:06 * elmiko chuckles 16:13:07 <edleafe> heh 16:13:15 <cdent> i'll be there 16:13:25 <edleafe> mordred: actually, just my grand-boss 16:13:32 <elmiko> it's very unlikely that i will be there 16:13:39 <elmiko> which makes me sad =( 16:13:41 <edleafe> You say that every time 16:13:45 <elmiko> haha, i know 16:13:47 <edleafe> and then you show up 16:13:53 <elmiko> but this time i feel the winds have changed 16:14:05 <elmiko> road trip? 16:14:36 <mordred> elmiko: I'd suggest that your employer is crazy if they think they should not send you to the PTG 16:14:47 <mordred> but, you know, that may just be me 16:14:59 * cdent will fly to detroit, pick up elmiko, go visit cdent's niece in Louisville, then drive to denver? 16:15:01 <cdent> ROAD TRIP 16:15:06 <elmiko> ROAD TRIP 16:15:15 <cdent> sadly my flights are already booked :( 16:15:21 <cdent> otherwise that's a great idea 16:15:26 <elmiko> mordred: yeah, i just know some things are changing for our travel budget and i am loathe to push too hard 16:15:32 * dtantsur is not going 16:15:37 <edleafe> Sounds like National Lampoon's Vacation 16:16:13 <cdent> So it might be just me and mordred coming up with ways to enshrine and work around microversion simultaneously 16:16:23 <elmiko> sounds like it 16:16:26 <mordred> cdent: we can make so many decisios 16:16:29 <mordred> decisions 16:16:31 <cdent> \o/ 16:16:38 <elmiko> and hopefully some sort of update on the graphql situation (assuming one of them is there) 16:16:39 <mordred> or more probably decisios 16:16:58 <edleafe> Yeah, still no reply from Gilles 16:17:15 <elmiko> ack 16:17:23 <dtantsur> I'll be looking forward to maybe see some of you in Berlin 16:17:52 <cdent> I'll be there too. 16:17:58 <cdent> After that things will start getting vague 16:18:09 <edleafe> It's funny - IBM tends to spend more on travel later in the year 16:18:20 <edleafe> Probably be easier to get to Berlin than to Denver :) 16:18:40 <elmiko> i thought about submitting a talk for berlin, but it was really stretching it 16:19:14 * dtantsur submitted two talks 16:19:22 <elmiko> nice! good luck =) 16:19:33 <cdent> At some point I'll start an etherpad for the PTG 16:19:40 <elmiko> thanks cdent 16:19:41 <cdent> #action cdent start etherpad for api-sig at ptg 16:20:03 <edleafe> cdent is action man this week 16:20:09 <elmiko> yea seriously 16:20:10 <cdent> dtantsur, mordred : did you make your microversion proposal? 16:20:13 <elmiko> someone get that man a cookie 16:20:18 <dtantsur> cdent: we did 16:20:41 <dtantsur> and now I suspect *SOMEONE* did not vote for it ;) 16:20:52 <mordred> we're gonna tell everyone about microversions 16:20:55 * cdent does not vote 16:21:05 <edleafe> what?? Everyone LOVES microversions!! 16:21:11 <elmiko> "microversion, it's way of life maaaan" 16:21:18 <cdent> it's too tedious going through all the proposals 16:21:23 <cdent> espeically since I never go to presentations... 16:21:25 <cdent> doesn't seem right 16:21:37 <dtantsur> well, I watch the most interesting ones in recording 16:21:37 <mordred> cdent: but BUZZWORD BUZZWORD is awesome because BUZZWORD BUZZWORD! 16:21:45 <dtantsur> so I still feel the right to vote for good stuff 16:21:45 <elmiko> hahaha 16:22:33 * cdent saves all his voting karma for destroying brexit 16:22:42 <elmiko> nice 16:22:54 <elmiko> anything else for open biz? 16:23:15 * edleafe thinks cdent doesn't understand voting karma 16:23:19 <elmiko> #topic guidelines 16:23:27 <elmiko> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z 16:23:33 <elmiko> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z 16:23:44 <cdent> no news is good news? 16:23:54 <elmiko> i think there is nothing go on here this week for guidelines 16:23:56 <elmiko> yea 16:24:07 <elmiko> #topic bug review 16:24:12 <elmiko> #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/1039 16:24:24 <elmiko> looks like the same story here as well 16:24:26 <cdent> same again 16:24:36 <elmiko> #topic weekly newsletter 16:24:41 <elmiko> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter 16:24:45 <edleafe> Before you do that... 16:24:47 <elmiko> any volunteers? 16:24:48 <edleafe> I just remembered 16:24:58 <elmiko> should i switch back the topic? 16:25:13 <edleafe> Infra will be doing the rename for the sig on Friday 16:25:19 <elmiko> ooh, cool 16:25:25 <dtantsur> \o/ 16:25:47 <elmiko> do we need to update anything more than the agenda wiki? 16:25:48 <edleafe> So we can toss all our API-WG business cards 16:25:52 <elmiko> hahaha 16:26:07 <edleafe> I don't think so, but we'll see 16:26:15 <elmiko> cool, thanks for the update edleafe 16:26:29 <edleafe> Making sure that the github links still work and stuff like that 16:26:35 <cdent> I had some really cool business cards 16:26:52 <cdent> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISYzA36-ZY 16:27:14 <elmiko> lol, knew it 16:27:25 <cdent> (this is clearly the most fun hour all week, for me) 16:27:31 <elmiko> =) 16:27:43 <elmiko> i'm happy to have been part of it 16:28:02 <elmiko> now, who's gonna write the newsletter? 16:28:04 <edleafe> same here 16:28:13 <edleafe> I wrote it last week 16:28:22 <elmiko> ok, edleafe is off the hook 16:28:37 <cdent> I can do it 16:28:38 <elmiko> i think it's only fair that i do it since cdent was kind enough to take all the actions this week 16:28:46 <elmiko> either way 16:28:46 <cdent> oh yeah, yeah, that 16:28:50 <cdent> go for it 16:28:57 <elmiko> k, i'll ping in a bit 16:29:01 <elmiko> thanks everybody! 16:29:13 <elmiko> now's your chance for a last word =D 16:29:20 <edleafe> word 16:29:25 <elmiko> #endmeeting