16:00:56 <edleafe> #startmeeting api_sig
16:00:57 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Aug 23 16:00:56 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
16:00:58 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
16:01:01 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig'
16:01:07 <elmiko> nice, beat me to it =)
16:01:20 <edleafe> #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda
16:01:32 <edleafe> #chair cdent elmiko edleafe dtantsur
16:01:33 <openstack> Current chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko
16:01:42 <dtantsur> o/
16:01:48 <cdent> o/
16:01:56 <cdent> i'm, uh, distracted
16:02:09 <edleafe> so am I
16:02:14 <elmiko> \o/
16:02:23 <edleafe> #topic previous meeting action items
16:02:32 <edleafe> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-08-16-16.00.html
16:02:40 <edleafe> There were none
16:03:54 <edleafe> #topic open mic and ongoing or new biz
16:04:16 <edleafe> #link Stein PTG etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-stein-ptg
16:05:04 <edleafe> Any thoughts on the PTG?
16:05:11 <elmiko> looks like a good agenda so far
16:05:27 <cdent> has elmiko managed to figure out he's going yet?
16:06:08 <elmiko> no, i'm not gonna be there
16:06:27 <elmiko> (famous last words)
16:06:31 <cdent> uh huh
16:06:40 <edleafe> We;ll save you a spot
16:06:47 <edleafe> *We'll
16:06:47 <elmiko> hahaha <3 you guys
16:07:04 <edleafe> FWIW, I still don't have IBM approval to go
16:07:08 <elmiko> =(
16:07:13 <cdent> you got a fast car
16:09:22 <edleafe> I'd rather have a fast plane and a hotel room :)
16:09:37 <edleafe> There is an item: api-sig still listed as a tc working group in governance: reference/technical-committee-repos.yaml
16:09:56 <cdent> that was based on something that doug said
16:10:08 <edleafe> Does it need action?
16:10:12 <cdent> i guess we are listed in two places: as a working group and as a sig
16:10:27 <cdent> probably somebody needs to confirm we are gone from the wrong place and in the right place
16:10:46 <cdent> i only got as far as checking the wrong place, ran out of brain, so dropped it on the agenda as a reminder
16:11:05 <edleafe> OK, let's leave it as an open item
16:11:09 <edleafe> Not urgent
16:11:36 <elmiko> as long as we get a pointer from the old place to the new
16:12:20 <edleafe> why? I'm trying to stay hidden :)
16:12:27 <dtantsur> can we just propose a patch to remove it?
16:12:30 <cdent> i don't that reference file results in any processing, it's just info
16:12:40 <elmiko> edleafe: lol!
16:12:49 <cdent> dtantsur: i think so yes, but we need to confirm the right info is now in the correct place as well
16:12:53 <cdent> and not leave things in limbo
16:13:23 <edleafe> One other agenda item
16:13:25 <edleafe> #link we just merge the job changes or more to it? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/593943/
16:13:38 <dtantsur> I think yes
16:14:14 <edleafe> Anyone want the honor of +W?
16:14:36 <edleafe> Or I can do it :)
16:14:43 <elmiko> i vote dtantsur since he has the +2
16:14:53 * dtantsur does
16:15:15 <edleafe> I added my +2 to make it look super-official
16:15:52 <elmiko> nice
16:16:04 <dtantsur> ++ we're not some group of amateurs
16:16:13 <edleafe> damn right!!
16:16:34 <elmiko> hahaha
16:16:40 <edleafe> Any other new biz to discuss?
16:16:52 * edleafe is already discussed-out from other channels
16:16:58 <elmiko> nothing from me
16:17:28 <edleafe> #topic guidelines
16:17:44 <edleafe> #link Guidelines https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z
16:17:58 <edleafe> The only new one is the one we just +W'd
16:18:23 <elmiko> i did get a chance to read and comment on cdent's pr
16:18:25 <edleafe> I haven't had time to get back to Chris's design advice patch
16:18:41 <edleafe> #link API design advice https://review.openstack.org/#/c/592003/
16:18:47 <elmiko> i don't have a strong opinion on that first paragraph part, but in general i like the direction edleafe is pulling things
16:20:02 * dtantsur hasn't read yet
16:20:17 <edleafe> #topic bug review
16:20:30 <edleafe> #link Bugs https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/1039
16:20:35 <edleafe> Nothing new this week
16:20:47 <edleafe> I did get an email response from Gilles finally
16:21:01 <elmiko> ooh, nice!
16:21:04 * edleafe was afraid he got bit by some nasty Australian animal
16:21:12 <elmiko> a real concern
16:21:25 <dtantsur> ++
16:21:34 <edleafe> #link GraphQL response http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-August/133491.html
16:21:51 <edleafe> He stated that he simply didn't have time to work on it
16:22:05 <edleafe> But he also mentioned that Neutron was not cooperating
16:22:20 <elmiko> bummer
16:22:25 <elmiko> (on both accounts)
16:22:32 <edleafe> I followed with the Neutron PTL, and he isn't aware of anything that Gilles has put out there yet
16:22:49 <edleafe> No patches, and nothing posed in the Neutron channel
16:22:55 <dtantsur> I can imagine that, it's hard to make a busy core team pay attention to something that feels a side task..
16:23:03 <edleafe> So I don't understand the concern
16:23:05 <elmiko> ++
16:23:18 <dtantsur> mmmm, without patches it's hard to make people review patches
16:23:20 <dtantsur> or am I missing something?
16:23:34 <edleafe> I think it's just a matter of making excuses for not being able to work on it
16:23:41 <elmiko> well, this work isn't going back into upstream yet. it's still experimental afaik
16:23:47 <edleafe> dtantsur: very good point!
16:24:44 <dtantsur> on the other hand, $other_tasks do happen, nothing to be ashamed of
16:25:03 <dtantsur> but without a few people doing it full time it won't get anywhere any soon (if ever)
16:25:07 <edleafe> dtantsur: yes, and especially when it's a side project
16:25:39 <edleafe> Anything else for bugs?
16:25:40 <elmiko> ++
16:26:26 <edleafe> #topic weekly newsletter
16:26:28 <edleafe> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter
16:26:36 <elmiko> i can take it
16:26:36 <edleafe> Who's up for it?
16:26:41 <edleafe> cool
16:26:44 <edleafe> thanks, elmiko
16:26:55 <edleafe> Ping us in -sdks when you're ready
16:27:01 <elmiko> ++
16:27:10 <edleafe> Any final words?
16:27:21 <elmiko> raspberries!
16:27:28 * dtantsur resists from "let the Force be with you"
16:27:35 <elmiko> lol
16:27:47 * edleafe thinks dtantsur didn't resist that hard
16:27:56 <dtantsur> oh, it was sooooo hard
16:28:05 <edleafe> So with that...
16:28:08 <edleafe> #endmeeting