22:15:33 <craigs> #startmeeting App_ecosystem_wg 22:15:34 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Jun 6 22:15:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is craigs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:15:35 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:15:37 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' 22:15:56 <leong> cool! 22:16:09 <krotscheck> Any questions? 22:16:17 <leong> craigs rollcall :-) 22:16:47 <krotscheck> o/ 22:16:57 <craigs> #topic rollcall 22:17:04 <leong> 0/ :) 22:17:20 <craigs> craig o/ 22:17:58 <craigs> who else is on for the App Ecosystem meeting? 22:18:57 <krotscheck> Just start tagging people as we go through topics, it'll get their attention. 22:19:18 <leong> yup 22:19:23 <leong> move on to next topic 22:20:06 <craigs> #topic First App Status 22:20:28 <craigs> Marcela did you get a chance to try the changes to the Shade version of First App 22:20:53 <mbonell> I'm still reviewing Caleb's path 22:20:56 <mbonell> patch 22:21:16 <mbonell> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320709/ 22:21:44 <craigs> OK, I am waiting to hear back from Martin Paulo on the jclouds version he said he would have time last week to work on it 22:22:32 <craigs> Isn't the fog one done? Marcela were you going to do some testing on that one too? 22:22:44 <mbonell> for Fog I don't have updates from Sean 22:23:01 <mbonell> He's working on complete it 22:23:20 <mbonell> once he send a patch I'll review and test it 22:23:28 <craigs> OK 22:23:48 <craigs> Those are the ones that we have some commitment to complete 22:24:01 * krotscheck will look at the JS pieces. 22:24:08 <craigs> Anybody have anything else for FirstApp? 22:24:14 * docaedo waves hi just before hopping on an airplane :) 22:24:16 <leong> craigs, try to use #info #agree #action to keep track of decision 22:24:33 <craigs> I don't know what the state of the JS one is, let us know 22:24:33 <mbonell> krotscheck can help with JS :p 22:24:36 <krotscheck> I'll reach out to kenperkins at rackspace, he may be interested in buliding out the pkgcloud firstapp. 22:24:49 <krotscheck> (FYI: he's the person who started pkgcloud) 22:25:00 <craigs> ok 22:25:51 <craigs> #action krotscheck Contact Ken Perkins and see if he would be able to help build out the pkgcloud firstapp 22:26:27 <craigs> #topic Update on Hackathon Status 22:27:14 <craigs> Any update on the Hackathon Marcela? 22:27:33 <vhdiaz> that is me, Team is meeting reguarly on tuesdays, our focus is sponsorship recruitment and marketing campaign 22:28:24 <craigs> anything else for the hackathon? 22:28:35 <vhdiaz> krotscheck: do you think hpe in mexico/guadalajara might be interested in sponsorship opportunities ? 22:29:07 <mbonell> or cloud training/mentorship? 22:29:11 <krotscheck> vhdiaz: I'll ask, though it might take a bit while I dig through the green tape to figure out who's the correct contact person. 22:30:00 <vhdiaz> #action krotscheck will double check if HPE might be interested in sponsoring Guadalajara's hackathon 22:30:08 <vhdiaz> thanks!, thas is all 22:30:13 <craigs> OK 22:30:24 <krotscheck> vhdiaz: Fair warning, that's towards the end of our fiscal year, so all those moneys may already have been allocated. 22:30:30 <craigs> #topic Extend openstack app discussion 22:31:02 <craigs> This one still needs to be done, I will make another action item for myself 22:31:30 <craigs> #action craigs Need to expand the what is an openstack app question out to the mail lists 22:32:05 <craigs> #topic Brainstorm what training we are going to do for Barcelona Summit 22:32:27 <craigs> Victor do you know what the plans are for training in Barcelona? 22:32:34 <craigs> Are we doing a FirstApp session? 22:32:47 <craigs> or do you know if Bill is working on something? 22:33:05 <mbonell> we can do API/SDK training 22:33:17 <mbonell> based on challenges 22:33:42 <leong> i suppose flander also planning for the dojo training 22:34:03 <craigs> Yeah we need to ask him what's up, we haven't heard from him for a while 22:34:06 <vhdiaz> I will double check one more time, at this time I will say We own the training for Barcelona.. Bill will not participate one more time 22:34:20 <krotscheck> Good to know. 22:34:36 <vhdiaz> the trainers should come out of this wg 22:34:37 <craigs> #action vhdiaz Check with Flanders and see what he has planned for dojo training 22:34:39 <krotscheck> I don't suppose anyone here has experience with pedagogical patterns? ;) 22:35:12 <vhdiaz> We have some guidance 22:35:22 <vhdiaz> We can use some resources 22:36:03 <krotscheck> What does guidance/resources mean? Do you mean funding from the foundation, support via flanders, ...? 22:36:25 <notmars_> we do have a list of subject/challenge for the Guadalajara hackaton that could be interesting to look into 22:36:49 <vhdiaz> yes, that was 1 idea behind the hackathon.. connecting with the Dojos and provide training previous the hackathon as preparation 22:37:12 <vhdiaz> 1 of those pre-event activities could be converted into a training for Barcelona 22:37:33 <notmars_> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tdqe13aTbh0GN5tWHIWBTDwqu4UY6EAjksY64KtnREg/edit?usp=sharing&pref=2&pli=1 22:37:58 <notmars_> not sure everybody has acces, if not, let me know, i'll forward 22:38:37 <craigs> who is notmars? 22:38:42 <mbonell> bruno 22:38:55 <craigs> LOL makes sense now 22:39:02 <mbonell> hahaha 22:39:04 <vhdiaz> LoL 22:39:09 <krotscheck> Hrm. Maybe a "contribute to openstack" intro to our infra things? 22:39:41 <leong> this wg is more focusing from "app developer" perspective 22:40:01 <mbonell> yep, contributors is other kind of developers 22:40:02 <krotscheck> I figured. 22:40:10 <vhdiaz> it should solve the challenge on how to write your first app 22:40:11 <krotscheck> Occasionally, however, you find a bug. 22:41:12 <craigs> I would expect our app developers to just submit the bugs 22:41:50 <craigs> Where did this training list come from? 22:42:17 <notmars_> the amazing Guadalajara hackaton group :) 22:42:26 <mbonell> \o/ 22:42:28 <notmars_> kudo to mbonell :) 22:42:37 <krotscheck> That's pretty neat 22:43:58 <mbonell> the pre-trainings for the hackathon will be on Agu 22:44:02 <krotscheck> I assume all of these courses are Python-based, yes? 22:44:34 <mbonell> no 22:44:37 <notmars_> more mixed, the 'Openstack 101' is more non-programmatic at all 22:44:53 <notmars_> the cURL challenge is obviously...curl :P 22:44:57 <notmars_> .. 22:45:46 <craigs> Well if we are going to do a training session for Barcelona we have to submit a proposal soon, right? 22:46:05 <krotscheck> I believe so. 22:46:09 <notmars_> I'd say the sooner 22:46:28 <notmars_> question is probably : what do we want to start with ? 22:46:43 <leong> for training session, pls check with Flander/Foundation 22:47:12 <leong> and yes, definitely need to prepare asap 22:47:30 <craigs> Deadline to submit a talk is July 13 22:48:02 <krotscheck> For Barcelona, we could focus on Firstapp. Build FirstApp in python, build it in Java, build it in JavaSCript, etc.d 22:48:23 <notmars_> I like that option a lot 22:48:37 <craigs> Well be careful what we offer up, we only have it in one language at this point 22:48:49 <leong> training session might be "separated" from the normal talk submission 22:48:50 <notmars_> I have it in Objective-C 22:48:56 <krotscheck> craigs: Well, it'll light some fire underneath the contributors to get their apps working, no? ;) 22:48:59 <notmars_> I think krotscheck will have it soon in js 22:49:09 <notmars_> we have python now for sure 22:49:16 <krotscheck> And by "soon" you mean "barcelona", yes. 22:49:17 <mbonell> fog 22:49:23 <notmars_> a bit of Java and a bit of .NET 22:49:26 * krotscheck hopes he'll have reviewers. 22:49:26 <notmars_> and we're good no ? 22:49:59 <notmars_> krotscheck: you have already :) (me and my js-guys are waiting to be useful :P) 22:50:07 <craigs> victor has the AR to go talk to Flanders, is this what we want to propose? 22:50:08 <krotscheck> \o/ 22:50:17 <krotscheck> notmars_: gerrit topic neverland 22:50:36 <krotscheck> I'm all for it. 22:50:43 <notmars_> krotscheck: yup, already bookmarked :) going through it tomorrow 22:50:52 <krotscheck> Woot 22:51:53 <notmars_> so let's the firstapp for Barcelona ? 22:51:58 <craigs> OK, Victor talk to Flanders and let him know this is our proposal 22:52:09 <notmars_> +1 22:52:16 <mbonell> ok 22:52:25 <krotscheck> If flanders says yes, we can determine who's responsible for each of the languages, and use that to focus our barcelona deliverables. 22:53:20 <notmars_> yup, assign a champion to each and check on them every regularly should be enough 22:53:35 <notmars_> (-every) 22:53:36 <craigs> #link Here is the current list of ownership https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Zj2JU0jR4hy8y1HxFl30gTEGeqgBjc6hqv0ZAByVYo/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0 22:55:17 <krotscheck> 5 minutes 22:55:58 <piet> Did we chat about the app developer recruitment survey? 22:56:11 <craigs> nope 22:56:28 <craigs> Are we done with Firstapp topic? 22:56:40 <mbonell> yes 22:56:41 <krotscheck> For now, yes. 22:56:44 <notmars_> yes 22:57:10 <krotscheck> piet: it doesn't look like it's on the agenda. Do you mind waiting a week and having it formally on the agenda? 22:57:21 <craigs> either is fine 22:57:23 <piet> Yep - no problem 22:57:24 <craigs> are you ready to talk now 22:57:28 <piet> It's live 22:57:47 <craigs> #topic App developer recruitment survey 22:57:53 <craigs> Can you share the link 22:57:53 <vhdiaz> I shared it to engineering teams in Mexico 22:57:57 <vhdiaz> and social networks 22:58:01 <craigs> great 22:58:03 <piet> The goal is to identify app devs that are interested in participating in user research for the community 22:58:32 <piet> So, it's really intended to be a resource for this group 22:58:53 <piet> However, we need to start distributing the survey to a huge number of people 22:58:56 <krotscheck> Is this something that can be added to a registration form on one of our training events? 22:59:05 <piet> Yep 22:59:07 <johncallaghan> Bye all, its been fun and I will miss you. 22:59:10 <krotscheck> i.e. "Sign up for training in barcelona, oh and do you mind if our UX team reaches out to you?" 22:59:33 <piet> krotscheck Yep 22:59:40 <johncallaghan> quit 22:59:45 <vhdiaz> By John! take care yourself 22:59:49 <piet> We have a list of 1200 devs at INtel who will get the survey 22:59:58 <vhdiaz> it was a pleasure co-charing wih you! 23:00:04 <notmars_> yup, be well John ! 23:00:24 <piet> vhdiaz There were a few folks that responded to the survey 23:00:33 <craigs> Looks like we have run out of time 23:00:43 <piet> Let's pick-up next week 23:00:51 <krotscheck> Alright. 23:00:58 <craigs> Thanks all for joining 23:01:08 <mbonell> byee 23:01:28 <craigs> #endmeeting