22:00:20 <krotscheck> #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg 22:00:21 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Aug 15 22:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:00:22 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:00:24 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' 22:00:28 <krotscheck> #link Agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Aug_15_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup 22:00:36 <krotscheck> Hy everyone! 22:00:55 <Patifa> hey! 22:00:58 <krotscheck> #chair Patifa 22:00:58 <openstack> Current chairs: Patifa krotscheck 22:01:23 <krotscheck> Hey there, Patifa. Know whether anyone else will be joining us? 22:01:45 <Patifa> I'm expecting at least victor or marcela 22:01:54 <Patifa> Craig is on vacation 22:02:13 <krotscheck> Is it just me, or do we get about 1/2 the attendance on IRC as we do on the phone call? 22:02:28 <Patifa> carolbarrett just joined 22:02:54 <Patifa> I have a bias, for I prefer talking to typing. But you migth be right 22:02:57 <carolbarrett> hi 22:03:30 <krotscheck> Hey there, carolbarrett :) 22:03:38 <krotscheck> ALright, well, let's get started 22:03:56 <krotscheck> #topic Guadalajara App Hackathon 22:04:14 <Patifa> I'll give the update on the research. 22:04:23 <krotscheck> ++ 22:04:44 <Patifa> Piet and Danielle are meeting with Gonzalo and Michael about research on future hackathons. 22:05:30 <Patifa> For guadalajara Victor, Marcela and I are going to work on a survey to the participants - about the event as well as their experience as devs using openstack 22:05:53 <Patifa> We should have the outline for next week 22:06:13 <Patifa> we are also trying to have a focus group with the mentors at the event 22:06:31 <krotscheck> Focus group? What does that mean? 22:07:10 <Patifa> We are going to talk to the 6-8 mentors, during the event, possibly after coding is done and before the final result. 22:07:26 <krotscheck> Good idea. They'll be closest to the participants to find their frustrations. 22:07:29 <Patifa> The goal is to understand what were the major issues for the developers during the event 22:07:54 <Patifa> and they know openstack better. So we assume they'll articulate better what the issues were 22:08:11 <Patifa> Blocker: spanish speaker moderator 22:08:13 <krotscheck> Nice. 22:08:49 <Patifa> Ideally the moderator would speak fluent spanish. :D Victor and I are working to find this person. 22:09:07 <Patifa> With experice moderating focus groups, fluent spanish. 22:09:18 <krotscheck> Both of the spanish speakers I know are going to be at the Infra/QA sprint :( 22:09:29 <Patifa> :( 22:10:00 <Patifa> Everyone in Victors team will be swamped with the event 22:10:27 <Patifa> My spanish is good enough to order food, compliment the chef and chat about the weather 22:10:57 * krotscheck 's german skills are probably not that helpful :) 22:11:12 <Patifa> nope, neither Portuguese ;) 22:11:44 <krotscheck> Next hackathon: Rio. We could use the Olympic facilities :D 22:11:57 <Patifa> Agreed! 22:12:07 <krotscheck> I have no other questions, carolbarrett? 22:12:13 <krotscheck> (Do you have any?) 22:12:30 * krotscheck doesn't see mbonell or victor. 22:12:49 <Patifa> just pinged victor, he's in another meeting :( 22:12:57 <krotscheck> Righto. 22:13:02 <krotscheck> Well then, let's move on. 22:13:10 <Patifa> Ok 22:13:16 <krotscheck> #topic Barcelona 22:13:26 <krotscheck> Everything here seems to be in a holding pattern until sessions are announced. 22:13:43 <krotscheck> The only thing we could start working on is an agenda for the WG working session. 22:14:35 <Patifa> Sure 22:15:37 <krotscheck> I'm not certain what exactly we could work on while we're there. SEtting an agenda for the Ocata cycle would probably be highest priority. 22:15:50 <Patifa> Yep 22:15:59 <krotscheck> Additionally reviewing the FirstApp work, and seriously doubling down on a training strategy. 22:16:20 <krotscheck> But I'm a little worried that there's a bit of duplication - flanders' is more or less in charge of training activities for the foundation. 22:16:32 <krotscheck> The Hackathon group seems to have spun off into its own WG. 22:16:49 <krotscheck> WHichh, now that I think about it, is probably a good thing. 22:16:59 <krotscheck> (Larger efforts having dedicated teams, etc) 22:17:03 <Patifa> I think its a good thing 22:17:53 <krotscheck> I've got a few ideas of what could go into the Ocata cycle. Brainstorming wise, anyway (might not be sticky). 22:17:55 <Patifa> We should have a liason in the Hackathon WG but it's good that it has become it's own WG 22:18:00 <krotscheck> 1- developer.openstack.org 22:18:06 <krotscheck> That needs some work. 22:18:09 <krotscheck> 2- More firstapp things. 22:18:34 <krotscheck> 3- drat I just had one... 22:19:00 <Patifa> I was hoping that the App Dev User Study results would point to gaps we could try to act on 22:19:25 <krotscheck> Well, the results from the hackathon research might already point us in a general direction. 22:20:01 <Patifa> we should have both by the summit. 22:20:03 <krotscheck> Alternatively, piet just published the operator outreach research. 22:20:32 <krotscheck> #link https://youtu.be/dktorTIqU5s 22:20:55 <Patifa> I have to have a look at this one. Although it's a different user altogether 22:21:00 <krotscheck> OK, so most of this should probably be on hold until we start getting some of our research results, but I'll put a note in the agenda. 22:21:09 <Patifa> ok 22:21:43 <Patifa> we can still start the discussion on the mailing list, ppl may have other ideas to add to the agenda 22:21:54 <krotscheck> Alright, mind if I get that started? 22:22:01 <Patifa> not at all :D 22:22:09 <krotscheck> #action krotscheck Start the discussion on Ocata priorities. 22:22:18 <krotscheck> Alright, moving on :) 22:22:26 <krotscheck> #topic AppDev User study 22:22:37 <krotscheck> carolbarrett: Any responses from Wal-mart, Cern, etc? 22:23:53 <krotscheck> .... 22:24:09 <carolbarrett> not yet 22:24:24 <Patifa> :( 22:24:25 <krotscheck> carolbarrett: Thank you! 22:24:33 <carolbarrett> will see both of them next week and this is on my agenda to discuss 22:24:43 <krotscheck> Oh good. In person ++ 22:24:46 <Patifa> yay! 22:24:50 <krotscheck> Moving on 22:24:57 <krotscheck> #topic Interop challenge 22:25:10 <krotscheck> This seems to be craig and leong, neither of which are here. 22:25:23 <krotscheck> Patifa, do you know of anything that needs to be mentioned here, or shall we punt this to next week? 22:25:30 <Patifa> nor marcela. I believe we can move on 22:25:40 <Patifa> next week 22:25:48 <krotscheck> ok 22:25:54 <krotscheck> #topic FirstApp Progress 22:26:09 <krotscheck> I guess I'm the only one here. 22:26:14 <Patifa> I guess there's only u 22:26:35 <Patifa> shoot! 22:26:40 <krotscheck> So, Keystone is currently under development. I'm building out version negotiation righ tnow, before setting up the various calls against the API. 22:27:00 <krotscheck> Since this is the first API that we're building, it requires a bit of plumbing. 22:27:09 <krotscheck> And that pluming is likely to be contorversial :) 22:27:37 <krotscheck> However, we've got good input into the effort right now, and actual engaged developers, and real tests. 22:27:47 <krotscheck> So overall it should proceed at a slightly faster pace than the rest of openstack. 22:28:01 <krotscheck> I'm aiming for keystone's patches to be proposed by the end of this week. 22:28:19 <krotscheck> About a week of review churn after that, with a release of the SDK to follow. 22:28:23 <krotscheck> After that, Nova. 22:28:34 <krotscheck> That's all I got 22:28:45 <krotscheck> Any questions? 22:28:54 <Patifa> nope 22:29:32 <carolbarrett> nope 22:30:26 <Patifa> Opens? 22:30:50 <krotscheck> Nothing from me. 22:30:54 <krotscheck> Moving on 22:30:55 <krotscheck> #topic Open Discussion 22:31:17 <krotscheck> ANything? 22:31:19 <Patifa> carolbarrett you want to add a topic to next week's meeting, right? 22:31:42 <carolbarrett> I don't think so - I'll be out at midcyles, meetups and Days.... 22:31:52 <carolbarrett> Won't be able to make this meeting next week 22:32:16 <Patifa> OpenStack App Ecosystem / Enterprise WG ISV Team Collaboration? 22:32:51 <carolbarrett> Yes, would like to discuss that, but think it will need to wait til the 29th... OK? 22:32:58 <Patifa> Sure. 22:33:18 <krotscheck> I'd like to propose that we sunset the IRC meetings in favor of phonecalls. 22:33:46 <Patifa> I'm in favor. But we should put it to vote on the mailing list? 22:33:54 <krotscheck> It feels like we've lost participants, without gaining much benefit. 22:34:04 <krotscheck> I believe so. I'll put it up. 22:34:15 <Patifa> tks 22:34:15 <krotscheck> #action krotscheck put vote about IRC meetings onto the list. 22:34:42 <krotscheck> carolbarrett: That'll also bring your topic up during a phone, rather than IRC, meeting. 22:34:51 <Patifa> sure! 22:35:04 <carolbarrett> krotscheck: I think that will make it a better discussion 22:35:20 <krotscheck> The 29th will actually be a pretty important one. It'll be the first meeting after sessions have been approved, and we'll have a better idea of what our representation at the summit will look like. 22:35:33 <carolbarrett> Good point. 22:35:44 <carolbarrett> I don't think we'll know about WG or BoF sessions by then 22:35:52 <Patifa> do you think it'd be good to start yout topic on the mailing list too? to attract ppl to the discussion? 22:36:41 <carolbarrett> patifa: I can do that, will work with Shamail Tahir to send something out next week. 22:36:53 <carolbarrett> He's the chair of the Enterprise ISV team 22:37:06 <Patifa> Sounds good 22:38:12 <Patifa> Anything else? 22:38:54 <krotscheck> I think we're good. Short meeting :) 22:38:57 <carolbarrett> not from me 22:39:03 <carolbarrett> my favorite! 22:39:05 <krotscheck> Woot! 22:39:07 <krotscheck> Thanks everyone! 22:39:09 <krotscheck> #endmeeting