20:00:31 <redrobot> #startmeeting barbican 20:00:32 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Sep 14 20:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:34 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00:36 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' 20:00:47 <redrobot> #topic Roll Call 20:00:57 <dave-mccowan> :-D 20:00:57 <rellerreller> o/ 20:00:58 <silos1> o/ 20:01:00 <diazjf> 0/ 20:01:06 <elmiko> o/ 20:01:10 <kfarr> o/ 20:01:13 <hockeynut> o/ 20:01:24 <woodster_> o/ 20:01:27 <redrobot> dave-mccowan channeling your inner chellygel? :) 20:01:28 <alee> o/ 20:01:40 <hockeynut> dave-mccowan getting all fancy on us 20:01:43 <arunkant> o/ 20:01:47 <lisaclark1> o/ 20:02:01 * dave-mccowan looking for something to cut and paste. 20:02:04 <jkf> o/ 20:02:14 <redrobot> lots of barbicaneers here today 20:02:23 <redrobot> let's get this started 20:02:33 <redrobot> as usual the agenda can be found here: 20:02:34 <redrobot> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican 20:02:50 <redrobot> #topic Dave McCowan nominated for Core team 20:03:01 <redrobot> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073866.html 20:03:41 <redrobot> as a reminder the core process is outlined here: 20:03:42 <redrobot> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/CoreTeam 20:03:50 <jaosorior> well, it appears dave-mccowan has gotten the 5 votes already 20:03:52 <redrobot> I counted 5x +1 ad no -1s 20:03:57 <dave-mccowan> thanks all for the nomination and votes! i'm happy to serve. :-) 20:04:17 <elmiko> nice, early congrats dave-mccowan ;) 20:04:21 <redrobot> so unless someone is opposed, I'll add dave-mccowan to the core team after the meeting 20:04:32 <diazjf> congrats :-D 20:04:32 <hockeynut> + oo 20:04:38 <rellerreller> woot! 20:04:50 <jaosorior> yay :D 20:04:50 * redrobot does not expect anyone to oppose 20:04:55 <alee> redrobot, lets get him +2 ability asap please :) 20:05:09 <silos1> congrats!! 20:05:13 <redrobot> alee should be good to go as soon as I add him tot he Gerrit group 20:05:27 <jaosorior> Congrats dave-mccowan! You really earned it :D 20:05:27 <edtubill> congrats :) 20:05:31 <arunkant> congrats dave-mccowan 20:05:39 <hockeynut> drinks are on dave-mccowan ~ 20:05:51 <redrobot> agreed hockeynut 20:05:56 <kfarr> Hooray! Congrats! \o/ 20:05:57 * redrobot expects sake in Tokyo 20:06:06 <elmiko> redrobot++ 20:06:12 <alee> I like that ++ 20:06:26 <dave-mccowan> sake in tokyo it is. +W 20:06:56 <elmiko> hehe, nice 20:07:00 <dave-mccowan> thanks all 20:07:04 <redrobot> #agreed dave-mccowan will buy a round of sake in Tokyo 20:07:18 <redrobot> ok, moving on 20:07:32 <redrobot> #topic Federated Barbican Update 20:07:38 <redrobot> silos1 this is your topic, yes? 20:07:41 <silos1> yes 20:07:46 <silos1> As always the wiki is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Discussion-Federated-Barbican#Related_Articles 20:08:11 <silos1> I've reached out to Mercador to get their input on Federated barbican and we are tyring to set something up later this week. 20:08:36 <silos1> redrobot: I was also interested in hearing how your meeting went with respect to Federated Barbican. 20:08:51 <redrobot> silos1 I had a meeting with Joe Savak last week. He's one of the architects for Identity here at the rack 20:09:28 <redrobot> we mainly talked about how federation might work at a high level 20:09:36 <silos1> redrobot: ah ok. 20:09:54 <redrobot> There's two workflows we talked about 20:10:21 <redrobot> The first one was for establishing a trust between the public barbican and the private one 20:10:57 <redrobot> this is where the owner of the private barbican configures the public barbican to make them aware of each other. 20:11:26 <redrobot> the second workflow was for actually using keys from the private barbican inside the public cloud 20:12:17 <redrobot> silos1 I'm not sure I fully undestand the second diagram in the wiki 20:12:20 <silos1> redrobot: that sounds awesome. The wiki for Federated barbican broken down to two main issues and it seems like we agree on the same issues. 20:13:18 <redrobot> silos1 yeah, I think we're starting to get a good idea of the scope of the problem 20:13:39 <redrobot> Joe's recommendation was to investigate to see if there are any existing protocols for key federation 20:13:41 <silos1> redrobot: That diagram is meant to represent the entire flow for retrieving the a key/secret from the private barbican 20:14:17 <redrobot> I have to turn Joe's whiteboard drawings into sequence diagrams and then we can discuss them 20:14:37 <redrobot> #action redrobot to make diagrams of federation workflows discussed with Joe 20:14:48 <diazjf> redrobot, that would be awesome, I would like to see that 20:14:56 <silos1> redrobot: sounds good. Were you still interestd in doing a fishbowl at Tokyo for Federated Barbican? 20:15:17 <redrobot> yes 20:15:47 <redrobot> we can talk about the summit next 20:15:54 <redrobot> silos1 anything else we should mention on this topic? 20:16:04 <silos1> redrobot: nope. thanks. 20:16:10 <redrobot> ok, moving on 20:16:21 <redrobot> #topic Tokyo Summit 20:16:23 <redrobot> so we ended up with 2 fishbowls, 8 design sessions and 1 meetup for the Tokyo 20:16:41 <redrobot> I'm thinking one fishbowl should be used for Federation 20:17:01 <alee> whats a meetup? 20:17:03 <redrobot> silos1 diazjf will either of you be attending? 20:17:18 <redrobot> alee it's the 1/2 day block during the last day, like we had in Vancouver 20:17:29 <silos1> diazjf will. I've kept him up to date on most of the Federation stuff. 20:18:03 <redrobot> cool, hopefully by then we've all agreed on good workflow diagrams and we can talk about them during the fishbowl 20:18:12 <silos1> awesome! 20:18:17 <redrobot> also I'd like to hear use cases from attendees 20:19:35 <redrobot> I was thinking the 2nd fishbowl we can use to talk about adding the option to turn off CAS features, and the eventual v2. 20:19:48 <redrobot> s/CAS/CMS/ 20:20:21 <alee> sounds ok to me 20:21:24 <redrobot> I don't have a plan for Design Sessions yet 20:21:33 <rellerreller> How much focus on CMS and how much on v2? 20:22:18 <redrobot> rellerreller I don't want to dive too deep into v2. I think fishbowls are great to get wide community feedback, but I don't want everyone bikeshedding the api there. 20:23:06 <alee> redrobot, I'm not sure theres a whole lot to discuss about an option to turn off CMS in a fishbowl .. 20:23:27 <rellerreller> With the v2 stuff what is there to discuss? 20:24:02 <redrobot> not much currently... I was thinking we would talk about the roadmap for the next 1-2 cycles 20:24:06 <alee> seems like a design session topic to me .. we decided to provide it and now just a matter of figuring out how to do it 20:24:13 <rellerreller> I'm trying to figure out how much I want to attend a session on CMS. 20:24:20 <redrobot> ah 20:24:28 <rellerreller> A session on v2 and discussing what should and should not be in it interests me. 20:24:43 <rellerreller> A discussion on the API for CMS is interesting but not as much. 20:25:01 <dave-mccowan> Would cross project integration be a more interesting fishbowl? updates on those in progress (swift, nova/cinder, neutron) and requirements from some new ones (magnum). 20:25:14 <hockeynut> dave-mccowan I like that idea 20:25:30 <woodster_> alee, I could see other teams wishing to integrate with barbican weighing in, not sure though. Related to the CMS use cases with barbican other projects have mentioned 20:26:02 <woodster_> dave-mccowan: +1 20:26:10 <alee> woodster_, weighing in to what? 20:26:36 <alee> woodster_, whether to provide option to turn off cms? or on v2 api? 20:27:00 <woodster_> alee, well, the short and long term roadmap for CMS and v2 20:27:18 <alee> I like the idea of project integration - and also of roadmap 20:27:40 <alee> both are very good fishbowl topics 20:28:17 <alee> are those better fishbowl topics than fedreated barbican? 20:29:22 <rellerreller> I feel like federated barbican is a great topic that would spur a lot of discussion. 20:29:29 <dave-mccowan> is federated barbican different from federated keystone? 20:29:49 <rellerreller> Whereas integration with Barbican might turn out to be more of a how to as opposed to a discussion. 20:29:56 <alee> (I'm not proposing we not have a session on federated barbican - just wondering if this is something thats a fishbowl or design session) 20:30:09 <rellerreller> ah 20:30:22 <redrobot> I would think that Federation should be a fishbowl... I'm interested in use cases outside of our team 20:30:38 <silos1> dave-mccowan: I would think so. Federated keystone can be used for federated barican but there is more that is needed besides that. 20:30:49 <redrobot> dave-mccowan similar ideas, but they would be different in implementation 20:32:22 <redrobot> silos1 dave-mccowan the long explanation: currently Keystone allows users external to itself to authenticate and access public cloud resources. You could, for example, use federated keystone to grant access to barbican secrets to a user that is defined in some private cloud user management system. 20:33:07 <redrobot> silos1 dave-mccowan federation as a feature of barbican would expand that to allow any keystone user (real or federated) to use secrets stored in a private instance of barbican to decrypt public resources. 20:33:10 <alee> redrobot, silos1 , rellerreller I agree that fed barbican is interesting and something on which we want to get feedback. On the other hand - integrating with barbican and road map haslots of things that are interesting to the other projjects 20:33:23 <alee> and there are lots of things to talk about there .. 20:33:39 <rellerreller> such as? 20:33:40 <alee> whats the raodmap / migration strategy to v2? whats the role of castellan? 20:34:17 <woodster_> alee: isn't castellan's role settled now? 20:34:31 <alee> what have people done to integrate and waht other ways are people using to integrate? 20:35:42 <alee> but I'll defer to what you guys decide .. 20:36:02 <rellerreller> I feel like we have done that already. Joel gave a talk last time on how to integrate with barbican and castellan. 20:36:05 <redrobot> alee sounds a lot like the talk we gave last summit :) 20:36:42 <elmiko> i have a sahara patch up that uses castellan, trying to get an ffe for it now 20:36:50 <rellerreller> I still think a good topic to discuss but maybe not worth taking the spot of fishbowl or design session. 20:37:10 <elmiko> i'd be willing to share my experiences, time willing 20:37:11 <rellerreller> But I'm up for whatever. 20:37:40 <rellerreller> I do love a good conversation on castellan and content types 20:37:44 <redrobot> lol 20:37:44 <diazjf> elmiko, that would be very helpful 20:38:00 <alee> yeah - fair enough - maybe the second fishbowl is roadmap and integration together 20:38:22 <rellerreller> I would be good with that 20:38:24 <kfarr> Ahh I wish I could be there for the Castellan discussion! 20:38:32 <alee> I just think that might be too much for one session , but we may be able to keep roadmap at high enough level 20:39:23 <redrobot> alee we can call it "Barbican: state of the union" and cover both... 20:39:59 <elmiko> +1 20:40:01 <alee> sure - as long as we're more specific in the description 20:40:44 <redrobot> ok, sounds like we're in agreement then. One fishbowl for Federation, and the other for Integration Status and Roadmap 20:41:37 <dave-mccowan> Integration Status and Requirements... let's make sure it sounds like an invitation to new (to us) projects that want a key manager 20:42:50 <redrobot> dave-mccowan sounds good 20:44:02 <redrobot> ok, moving on 20:44:06 <redrobot> #topic Open Discussion 20:44:18 <alee> any magnum foks here? 20:45:20 <alee> redrobot, just wanted to give an update on subcas 20:45:56 <alee> redrobot, looks like we have almost all the required functionality in there -- just a few outstanding issues 20:46:03 <redrobot> alee awesome! 20:46:22 <alee> redrobot, so someone needs to tell the magnum guys that 20:46:47 <dave-mccowan> i'll try to summon one. 20:46:49 <alee> and maybe we should think about doing some kind of build? 20:47:13 <dave-mccowan> Along those lines, what's next for the Liberty release schedule? Do we need to bug scrub or blueprint scrub? 20:47:51 <redrobot> dave-mccowan https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule 20:48:09 <redrobot> dave-mccowan release candidates are due in a couple of weeks. 20:48:40 <alee> redrobot, do we have a list of what should be in ? 20:49:05 <redrobot> alee the only FFE is the CAs feature you're working on 20:49:34 <redrobot> it would be good to do some bug squashing though! 20:49:45 <alee> redrobot, ok - I'll put together a list over the next day or so of things that need to be completed 20:50:09 <alee> dave-mccowan has already voluntered to do at least one of them 20:50:54 <arunkant> redrobot: any idea why barbican is not listed in kilo release notes ..https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Kilo ? 20:52:12 <dave-mccowan> there's a bunch of open bugs that are still in undecided/new state. 20:52:32 <redrobot> arunkant no idea... I can't remember if we were incubated at the time... if so they may not have included us because of that. 20:52:34 <arunkant> redrobot: I was asked this question earlier and did not have answer other than that its not a integrated project? 20:53:53 <redrobot> arunkant I can ask the release managers 20:53:56 <arunkant> redrobot: Okay..so is it going to be included in liberty release notes ? 20:54:08 <redrobot> #action redrobot to ask release managers about Barbican in Kilo release notes 20:54:11 <arunkant> redrobot: okay. thanks 20:54:26 <redrobot> arunkant should be. We've been included in all the milestone announcements. 20:55:07 <dave-mccowan> Is the PUT container feature desired for Liberty? Chelsea was working on it last and it was close. 20:56:08 <redrobot> not sure if it's needed or not? 20:56:34 <redrobot> Chelsea's last day at Rackspace was last Friday, so I don't think she'll be doing much work on Barbican going forward 20:57:15 <lisaclark1> dave-mccowan: it's an outstanding feature that would be nice to get landed, but not something critical on our end 20:58:05 <lisaclark1> dave-mccowan: is it something that will take longer to dust off and revive if we hold off too long on picking it back up? 20:59:28 <dave-mccowan> if it's not required, it's better to defer. but, i think it's about one patch set away from being complete. target it for Mitaka-1, if a new contributor wants to volunteer? 21:00:03 <redrobot> dave-mccowan yeah, sounds like we can punt to mitaka 21:00:07 <redrobot> ok, we're out of time here 21:00:11 <redrobot> thanks everyone! 21:00:14 <redrobot> #endmeeting