20:02:04 <redrobot> #startmeeting barbican
20:02:05 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Dec 21 20:02:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:02:08 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'barbican'
20:02:13 <elmiko> hi
20:02:32 <redrobot> #topic Roll Call
20:02:35 * redrobot waves at elmiko
20:02:41 <rellerreller> o/
20:02:42 <diazjf1> o/
20:02:51 <maxabidi> o/
20:03:08 <panatl> 0/
20:03:11 <panatl> o/
20:03:54 <redrobot> a few more barbicaneers here than I was expecting
20:04:02 <redrobot> as usual the agenda can be found here:
20:04:04 <redrobot> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican
20:04:16 <redrobot> #topic Action Items from last week
20:04:25 <spotz> o/ - sorta here:)
20:04:28 <redrobot> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-12-14-20.00.html
20:04:45 <redrobot> The only action item from last week was for me to finish cleaning up the launchpad mitaka-1 page
20:05:04 <redrobot> which I did
20:05:07 <redrobot> and you can see here:
20:05:08 <redrobot> #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/mitaka/mitaka-1
20:05:35 <redrobot> that's it for action items
20:05:40 <redrobot> let's move on to today's agenda
20:05:55 <redrobot> #topic  Questions about steps to integrate Barbican with DevStack
20:06:04 <redrobot> kfarr hi
20:06:31 <kfarr> redrobot, hi sorry was coming back from another meeting
20:06:51 <redrobot> kfarr no problem.  you have the only topic on the agenda for today
20:07:04 <kfarr> Ok, so I've been working on trying to integrate Castellan with Nova and Cinder
20:07:22 <elmiko> nice, kfarr++
20:07:36 <kfarr> and the way the old built-in key managers would work in those projects was that they would use a fixed key
20:07:49 <kfarr> that was the default in DevStack
20:07:58 <kfarr> but Castellan doesn't have that option because it's not secure
20:08:25 <kfarr> so if those projects start using Castellan, it would be nice to be test with Barbican in the gate
20:08:38 <kfarr> * would be nice to test with Barbican in the gate
20:08:46 <kfarr> for cinder and nova
20:08:58 <kfarr> since that would be the new default
20:09:00 <elmiko> kfarr: if you get something setup with barbican at the gate please ping me, i would love to get something setup for our sahara testing too
20:09:11 <kfarr> elmiko, sure!
20:09:45 <redrobot> kfarr with you so far...
20:09:49 <kfarr> I guess my question was: has anybody already looked at getting barbican integrated with DevStack by default
20:10:01 <kfarr> or is there anything stopping this from happening that I don't know about?
20:10:21 <woodster_> o/
20:10:21 <redrobot> kfarr so Adam Harwell (rm_you) did a ton of work to make it easy to enable Barbican within DevStack
20:10:37 <kfarr> redrobot, yes the devstack plugin
20:10:51 <panatl> as far as i know .. if you enable it in localrc barbican will there in devstack
20:11:06 <redrobot> kfarr so, to add Barbican to a gate, you just need to enable the plugin.
20:11:23 <redrobot> kfarr and then make sure the Castellan config is pointing to Barbican on localhost
20:12:06 <kfarr> Right, but do we want to change the gate to enable Barbican, or do we want to change DevStack so that Barbican is enabled by default always
20:12:14 <kfarr> Is there a preference
20:12:41 <redrobot> kfarr I think it's best if people have to opt in to enable Barbican.
20:12:48 <panatl> agree
20:12:58 <panatl> ++ redrobot
20:13:17 <elmiko> yea, +1 to opt-in
20:13:29 <diazjf1> +1 on that from here
20:13:56 <kfarr> Ok, so maybe leave the original gate that has a plain DevStack, then create a second that enables Barbican?
20:14:17 <arunkant_> o/
20:14:50 <redrobot> kfarr maybe i'm not understanding the question properly...  I thought you were asking if every devstack install should enable Barbican.... which is why I think opt-in is better.
20:15:13 <redrobot> kfarr  but I think maybe you were asking if an existing DevStack gate should be edited to add Barbican, or whether a new gate should be set up ?
20:15:28 <kfarr> redrobot, sorry I am not explaining well
20:15:31 <elmiko> yea, i thought the former too. oops
20:15:44 <kfarr> That was sort of two questions combined into one
20:16:15 <redrobot> so for the first question, opt-in would be best
20:16:18 <kfarr> Ok, so we were in agreement that Barbican should not be enabled by default in DevStack
20:16:44 <redrobot> for the second question, I think it should be up to the project team to decide whether to change their existing gates or add new ones
20:16:54 <kfarr> then I took that and jumped to the conclusion that
20:17:11 <kfarr> right
20:17:17 <redrobot> I think a new one would probably be better, since you can start by adding it to the "experimental" pipeline
20:17:41 <kfarr> Yeah that makes sense
20:18:24 <elmiko> +1
20:18:35 <kfarr> Ok, well part of my goal of bringing it up now was to put it on people's radar that I was going to try doing this.
20:18:35 <redrobot> kfarr awesome.
20:19:08 <redrobot> kfarr just for sake of completeness, you'll be adding these to the appropriate projects?
20:19:08 <kfarr> That's all I've got
20:19:14 <elmiko> i'm very curious about this one, i would really like to figure out how we can enable a barbican gate for the sahara ci. i think it will take us time thought.
20:19:18 <elmiko> *though
20:19:21 <redrobot> kfarr  ie, for Nova, you'll add a nova gate that enables Barbican, etc
20:19:28 <kfarr> redrobot, yeah I think so
20:20:18 <rellerreller> elmiko you should be able to copy and paste code after kfarr is done
20:20:37 <elmiko> rellerreller: yea, i hope so =)
20:21:33 <redrobot> ok, moving on
20:21:37 <rellerreller> The gates and CI infra are not easy. I have been trying to setup a local CI here for testing. It has not gone well :(
20:21:40 <redrobot> #topic Mitaka Mid-cycle
20:21:51 <redrobot> rellerreller :(
20:22:03 <redrobot> The mid-cycle is going to be coming up soon
20:22:09 <elmiko> rellerreller: i'd love to talk off-line sometime, i'm trying to do something similar for sahara
20:22:10 <redrobot> we have an etherpad set up for it already:
20:22:22 <redrobot> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-mitaka-midcycle
20:22:30 <redrobot> Feel free to add mid-cycle topics to it
20:22:36 <rellerreller> elmiko that sounds good to me. Ping me whenever.
20:22:42 <elmiko> will do
20:22:44 <redrobot> I for one will be wanting to review Blueprints
20:22:51 <redrobot> so we can get a few landed
20:23:06 * rellerreller is sad that I cannot go :(
20:23:13 <elmiko> redrobot: do you know if the ossp mid-cycle will be in the same building/campus as the barbican?
20:23:22 <redrobot> we'll miss you rellerreller
20:23:23 <redrobot> :(
20:23:33 <diazjf1> rellerreller :(
20:23:39 <redrobot> elmiko yup.  we have rooms across the hallway from each other.
20:23:43 <elmiko> ooh neat
20:26:11 <redrobot> sometime before then I'll review the Mitaka Summit notes and add anything that we need to revisit
20:26:30 <redrobot> that's all I have on the agenda for today
20:26:34 <redrobot> #topic Open Discussion
20:26:44 <redrobot> any other topics that we can discuss?
20:27:17 <diazjf1> redrobot, just wanted to ket you know I updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241068/ the blueprint for getting Castellan in the Swift Keymaster :)
20:27:45 <lisaclark> o\
20:28:01 <redrobot> diazjf1 ok, I'll take a look at it.
20:28:18 <diazjf1> redrobot, awesome thanks
20:30:47 <redrobot> sounds like we're out of topics for today
20:30:48 <redrobot> so we can have our 30 minutes back
20:30:49 <redrobot> thanks everyone for coming
20:31:01 <redrobot> #endmeeting