20:00:21 <dave-mccowan> #startmeeting barbican 20:00:22 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Jan 16 20:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:23 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00:26 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' 20:00:30 <dave-mccowan> #topic roll call 20:01:11 <dave-mccowan> It's a holiday in the US today. Anyone else here? 20:01:29 <kfarr> \o/ 20:01:49 <dave-mccowan> hi kfarr! no holiday for you today? 20:02:33 <dave-mccowan> as usual the agenda is here: 20:02:35 <dave-mccowan> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda 20:02:36 <kfarr> no holiday for me :( 20:03:25 <dave-mccowan> i have a holiday today, but i'm working anyways. :-) 20:03:53 <kfarr> dave-mccowan so dedicated! 20:04:20 <dave-mccowan> I think Jeremy add the code review request at the top of the agenda. what do you think about that one? i see you reviewed an earlier version of the patch. 20:04:34 <dave-mccowan> #topic review patch to refactor barbican client code 20:05:06 <kfarr> overall, I think it looks good, but I am nervous about backwards compatibility 20:05:33 <kfarr> though Castellan isn't affected 20:06:08 <dave-mccowan> is it not backwards compatible? or is it not known if it is or not? 20:07:02 <kfarr> I just don't know if it breaks anything 20:08:26 <dave-mccowan> i guess it needs careful review, and probably some smart testing. 20:08:57 <dave-mccowan> anything else on the agenda you want to discuss? 20:09:57 <alee> o/ 20:09:57 <kfarr> well, there are a few patches for review for tempest testing 20:10:08 <dave-mccowan> hi alee 20:10:15 <alee> yo 20:10:31 <dave-mccowan> small group today, i assume due to US holiday. 20:10:50 <dave-mccowan> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda 20:12:08 <dave-mccowan> for tempest testing reviews, i see: 20:12:08 <dave-mccowan> https://review.openstack.org/418607 20:12:14 <dave-mccowan> https://review.openstack.org/417468 20:12:22 <dave-mccowan> is it just those two? 20:12:38 <kfarr> yes for now 20:12:50 <kfarr> Dane and Peter plan to be putting up more over the rest of this week 20:14:17 <dave-mccowan> after a quick look, they look good to me. i'll review them after the meeting today. anyone up for a second +2 today? 20:15:40 <dave-mccowan> #topic rest of agenda 20:16:33 <dave-mccowan> there's a thread on openstack-dev right now about Barbican. folks are lamenting that 1) we don't have many stars in our maturity index, and 2) we don't have a simple and secure deployment model. 20:16:53 <dave-mccowan> for 1) I have submitted patches to the governance repo that should get us 3 more stars. 20:17:13 <dave-mccowan> not sure, what to do about #2. i added a line item to PTG agenda. 20:17:45 <kfarr> alee dave-mccowan, could we recommend dogtag for that? 20:18:37 <alee> kfarr, dave-mccowan soudns good to me 20:18:53 <dave-mccowan> someone already mentioned it on the email thread. 20:19:11 <alee> kfarr, of course, some folks may not consider it "simple" 20:19:25 <kfarr> oh ok, just now reading over the thread 20:20:24 <dave-mccowan> i don't think we have any changes to the current status of PTG or Ocata deliverables. 20:20:38 <dave-mccowan> Ocata milestone-3 is next week. Release date is 5 weeks from now. 20:20:57 <alee> reading thread too .. 20:21:08 <dave-mccowan> last thing on the agenda is PTL Nominations are open this week for the Pike cycle. 20:22:08 <dave-mccowan> let me know if anyone else is interested in volunteering. 20:23:42 <dave-mccowan> #topic any other topics? 20:24:57 <dave-mccowan> do we want to discuss the content of the email thread? or shall we each respond as we see fit? ( kfarr might have an update on how castellan is helping project adoptions, alee might have an update on how dogtag can give a secure software-only deployment ) 20:25:16 <kfarr> ok just finished reading 20:25:36 <kfarr> I don't really have much to add about the Castellan piece 20:25:50 <kfarr> Barbican is the only back end so far 20:26:04 <alee> dave-mccowan, yeah - I can respond, as least to easinesss of deploying dogtag 20:26:20 <alee> and point to the scripts frm the demo 20:27:03 <dave-mccowan> to me there are two things: developers want an easy to use environment, and we give them simple crypto. couldn't be easier. 20:27:13 <alee> right 20:28:00 <kfarr> I read it as **deployers** want an easy to use environment (easy and secure) 20:28:08 <dave-mccowan> operators want a secure deployment. if they're serious about storing secrets, then they probably already have an HSM or Dogtag. (or should be willing in investing in them) 20:29:09 <alee> the other thing that folks talk about is barbican not necessarily being present, but thats what castellan is for. 20:29:32 <alee> of course - someone else need to implement castellan too .. 20:29:42 <kfarr> yeah.. 20:31:37 <jaosorior> o/ 20:31:48 <dave-mccowan> hi jaosorior 20:32:09 <dave-mccowan> i need to take off. i didn't have anything else today. 20:32:19 <dave-mccowan> #chair kfarr 20:32:20 <openstack> Current chairs: dave-mccowan kfarr 20:33:02 <dave-mccowan> if you want to continue, kfarr please take over and the end the meeting when you're done. 20:33:11 <kfarr_> Ok, thanks! 20:33:21 <kfarr_> Does anyone have anything else? 20:35:03 <kfarr_> I guess that's it. Thanks for coming! 20:35:05 <kfarr_> #endmeeting 20:41:36 <kfarr> #endmeeting