13:01:57 <redrobot> #startmeeting barbican
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13:02:01 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'barbican'
13:02:07 <redrobot> #topic Roll Call
13:02:34 <redrobot> Courtesy ping for ade_lee dave-mccowan hrybacki jamespage Luzi lxkong mhen moguimar raildo rm_work tosky xek nearyo oleksandry
13:02:50 <Luzi> o/
13:03:00 <redrobot> Hi Luzi
13:03:05 <rm_work> o/
13:03:15 <redrobot> Hi rm_work
13:03:50 <moguimar> hey hey
13:03:55 <redrobot> Hola moguimar
13:04:12 <redrobot> Cool, let's get started
13:04:23 <redrobot> As usual the agenda is over here:
13:04:29 <redrobot> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/barbican-weekly-meeting
13:04:53 <redrobot> There are no pending action items, so we'll skip those today
13:05:00 <redrobot> #topic Liaison Updates
13:05:23 <redrobot> Any updates, moguimar? (I don't think tosky is online)
13:05:27 <moguimar> we had no meeting yesterday afaik
13:05:37 <redrobot> Cool
13:05:39 <moguimar> unless it happened the next hour
13:06:13 <redrobot> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2021/
13:06:27 <redrobot> looks like the last meeting was 2021-05-17
13:06:38 <redrobot> OK, moving on
13:06:55 <redrobot> #topic Kanban Review
13:07:01 <redrobot> No updates on my side unfortunately
13:08:32 <redrobot> moguimar any HVAC updates?
13:08:46 <moguimar> nope
13:08:57 <redrobot> Cool, cool.  Moving on ...
13:09:05 <redrobot> #topic Feedback on Freenode
13:09:26 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/barbican stable/wallaby: Raise maximum allowed secret size  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/barbican/+/792844
13:09:49 <redrobot> Hopefully by now everyone is aware of the changes taking place in the Freenode leadership
13:10:16 <redrobot> If not, there's a big thread in the ML
13:10:18 <redrobot> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-May/022539.html
13:10:18 <rm_work> yeah, I may be the only long-time IRC user in the entire world that doesn't get it, but people seem ... passionate
13:10:32 <rm_work> did the guy running this murder their dog like in John Wick?
13:10:37 <redrobot> Haha
13:11:00 <redrobot> I guess some folks are concerned about the new ownsership/leadership?
13:11:09 * rm_work shrugs
13:11:16 <redrobot> Personally, I'm in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" camp
13:11:37 <rm_work> as long as it's accepting connections and we retain channel OPs ... then I don't really understand how this affects any of us
13:11:41 <redrobot> and I have not noticed any changes in the functionality/stability of Freenode
13:11:45 <redrobot> rm_work++
13:11:51 <redrobot> I think you and I are on the same page
13:11:53 <rm_work> but people assure me that this is an absolute travesty and the world is crumbling, so
13:12:07 <redrobot> The TC is trying to gather feedback from every team
13:12:17 <redrobot> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/feedback-on-freenode
13:12:24 <rm_work> so many people are freaking out beyond my comprehension
13:12:32 <rm_work> I guess if they care so much, we can move? :D
13:12:49 <redrobot> Right, I don't have a strong preference either way
13:12:50 <rm_work> yeah I was just reading that, surprised at the number of people saying WE MUST MOVE ASAP
13:12:54 <redrobot> but I also don't see a need to move
13:13:29 <redrobot> Yeah, the MUST MOVE opinion seem to be more idealistic than technical
13:13:43 <redrobot> In any case, I added the topic to gather feedback from our team
13:13:50 <redrobot> to put into the etherpad for the TC
13:14:08 <redrobot> So if anyone here has strong feelings about moving, let me know and I'll convey that to the TC
13:14:08 <rm_work> yes, seems like a measured reaction where we look at alternatives, weigh them, and don't do things purely impulsively would be best ...
13:14:29 <rm_work> I guess we will talk about this in the Octavia meeting tomorrow too, so will see :D
13:14:49 <rm_work> I was hoping someone would be able to explain to me why the reaction is so ... emotional?
13:15:00 * redrobot makes a note to go troll octavia toomorrow
13:15:04 <rm_work> :D
13:15:24 <moguimar> if someone tells you, let us know next week
13:15:29 <rm_work> lol k
13:15:58 <redrobot> My impression is that folks are seeing this as "Oh noes!  A commercial entity is destroying Freenode" ... but there's two sides to the story, and the truth is likely somewhere in the middle.
13:17:20 <rm_work> i mean, when every other message is an advertisement keyed off our conversation, then i'll be concerned?
13:17:44 <rm_work> or when my client doesn't connect anymore... or random people are coming in and OPing themselves and kicking people for fun?
13:18:03 <rm_work> but I don't see why any of this is a precursor to that kind of behavior
13:18:16 * rm_work shrugs again
13:19:17 <redrobot> rm_work++
13:19:39 <redrobot> Luzi, moguimar, any opinions on Freenode ?
13:19:48 <moguimar> same
13:21:21 <Luzi> nothing
13:21:50 <redrobot> Cool, I will update the TC etherpad with our preference for Option 1: Wait and see.
13:22:00 <redrobot> Moving on ...
13:22:28 <redrobot> #topic moguimar's last 3 weeks 😢
13:22:35 <rm_work> T_T
13:22:41 <redrobot> We're going to miss you moguimar
13:23:31 <moguimar> =')
13:23:38 <moguimar> I'll try to be around in the reviews
13:23:49 <redrobot> That'd be awesome
13:24:17 <redrobot> because we might need to move to 1x +2 if ade_lee_ and I are the only active cores
13:24:47 <moguimar> and speaking of them, I have no +2 power on stable branches
13:25:39 <redrobot> Yeah, I think I'm the only one with +2 on stable
13:25:48 <redrobot> but I do appreciate the +1s
13:26:49 <redrobot> Speaking of reviews ... let's review the bug board
13:26:54 <redrobot> #topic Bug review
13:27:05 <redrobot> #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/barbican
13:27:16 <redrobot> No new Barbican stories
13:28:09 <redrobot> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/castellan/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
13:28:28 <redrobot> No new Castellan stories either
13:28:37 <redrobot> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cursive/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
13:28:44 <redrobot> and no new Cursive stories
13:28:57 <redrobot> #topic Wayward Reviews
13:29:08 <redrobot> #link https://tinyurl.com/y3zto3ad
13:29:40 <redrobot> moguimar first easy review: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/barbican-tempest-plugin/+/481440
13:31:40 <moguimar> I got poked about this one today
13:31:42 <moguimar> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/castellan/+/769560
13:32:23 <moguimar> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/castellan/+/769560/9/castellan/key_manager/barbican_key_manager.py#690
13:32:23 <redrobot> Ack, I'll take a look at that today
13:32:47 <rm_work> wait, Cursive? did I miss a new thing?
13:33:11 <redrobot> rm_work it's an old thing actually.  It was orphaned when (team I can't recall) went away
13:33:18 <moguimar> I think that adding loading.get_session_conf_options() to two different option groups will cause missconfig
13:33:20 <rm_work> hmm interesting
13:34:16 <redrobot> rm_work it's used by Cinder (I think?) ... well some project still uses it, so we're helping to maintain it along with the Oslo team
13:35:21 <rm_work> still working on ripping out all of the janky cert code in octavia <_<
13:37:21 <redrobot> #topic Open Discussion
13:37:28 <redrobot> Anything else y'all want to talk about?
13:43:01 <redrobot> Cool, let's call it a day, then.
13:43:07 <redrobot> Thanks for joining everyone!
13:43:11 <redrobot> #endmeeting