13:01:57 #startmeeting barbican 13:01:58 Meeting started Tue May 25 13:01:57 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:01:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:02:01 The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' 13:02:07 #topic Roll Call 13:02:34 Courtesy ping for ade_lee dave-mccowan hrybacki jamespage Luzi lxkong mhen moguimar raildo rm_work tosky xek nearyo oleksandry 13:02:50 o/ 13:03:00 Hi Luzi 13:03:05 o/ 13:03:15 Hi rm_work 13:03:50 hey hey 13:03:55 Hola moguimar 13:04:12 Cool, let's get started 13:04:23 As usual the agenda is over here: 13:04:29 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/barbican-weekly-meeting 13:04:53 There are no pending action items, so we'll skip those today 13:05:00 #topic Liaison Updates 13:05:23 Any updates, moguimar? (I don't think tosky is online) 13:05:27 we had no meeting yesterday afaik 13:05:37 Cool 13:05:39 unless it happened the next hour 13:06:13 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2021/ 13:06:27 looks like the last meeting was 2021-05-17 13:06:38 OK, moving on 13:06:55 #topic Kanban Review 13:07:01 No updates on my side unfortunately 13:08:32 moguimar any HVAC updates? 13:08:46 nope 13:08:57 Cool, cool. Moving on ... 13:09:05 #topic Feedback on Freenode 13:09:26 Merged openstack/barbican stable/wallaby: Raise maximum allowed secret size https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/barbican/+/792844 13:09:49 Hopefully by now everyone is aware of the changes taking place in the Freenode leadership 13:10:16 If not, there's a big thread in the ML 13:10:18 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-May/022539.html 13:10:18 yeah, I may be the only long-time IRC user in the entire world that doesn't get it, but people seem ... passionate 13:10:32 did the guy running this murder their dog like in John Wick? 13:10:37 Haha 13:11:00 I guess some folks are concerned about the new ownsership/leadership? 13:11:09 * rm_work shrugs 13:11:16 Personally, I'm in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" camp 13:11:37 as long as it's accepting connections and we retain channel OPs ... then I don't really understand how this affects any of us 13:11:41 and I have not noticed any changes in the functionality/stability of Freenode 13:11:45 rm_work++ 13:11:51 I think you and I are on the same page 13:11:53 but people assure me that this is an absolute travesty and the world is crumbling, so 13:12:07 The TC is trying to gather feedback from every team 13:12:17 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/feedback-on-freenode 13:12:24 so many people are freaking out beyond my comprehension 13:12:32 I guess if they care so much, we can move? :D 13:12:49 Right, I don't have a strong preference either way 13:12:50 yeah I was just reading that, surprised at the number of people saying WE MUST MOVE ASAP 13:12:54 but I also don't see a need to move 13:13:29 Yeah, the MUST MOVE opinion seem to be more idealistic than technical 13:13:43 In any case, I added the topic to gather feedback from our team 13:13:50 to put into the etherpad for the TC 13:14:08 So if anyone here has strong feelings about moving, let me know and I'll convey that to the TC 13:14:08 yes, seems like a measured reaction where we look at alternatives, weigh them, and don't do things purely impulsively would be best ... 13:14:29 I guess we will talk about this in the Octavia meeting tomorrow too, so will see :D 13:14:49 I was hoping someone would be able to explain to me why the reaction is so ... emotional? 13:15:00 * redrobot makes a note to go troll octavia toomorrow 13:15:04 :D 13:15:24 if someone tells you, let us know next week 13:15:29 lol k 13:15:58 My impression is that folks are seeing this as "Oh noes! A commercial entity is destroying Freenode" ... but there's two sides to the story, and the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. 13:17:20 i mean, when every other message is an advertisement keyed off our conversation, then i'll be concerned? 13:17:44 or when my client doesn't connect anymore... or random people are coming in and OPing themselves and kicking people for fun? 13:18:03 but I don't see why any of this is a precursor to that kind of behavior 13:18:16 * rm_work shrugs again 13:19:17 rm_work++ 13:19:39 Luzi, moguimar, any opinions on Freenode ? 13:19:48 same 13:21:21 nothing 13:21:50 Cool, I will update the TC etherpad with our preference for Option 1: Wait and see. 13:22:00 Moving on ... 13:22:28 #topic moguimar's last 3 weeks 😢 13:22:35 T_T 13:22:41 We're going to miss you moguimar 13:23:31 =') 13:23:38 I'll try to be around in the reviews 13:23:49 That'd be awesome 13:24:17 because we might need to move to 1x +2 if ade_lee_ and I are the only active cores 13:24:47 and speaking of them, I have no +2 power on stable branches 13:25:39 Yeah, I think I'm the only one with +2 on stable 13:25:48 but I do appreciate the +1s 13:26:49 Speaking of reviews ... let's review the bug board 13:26:54 #topic Bug review 13:27:05 #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/barbican 13:27:16 No new Barbican stories 13:28:09 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/castellan/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 13:28:28 No new Castellan stories either 13:28:37 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cursive/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 13:28:44 and no new Cursive stories 13:28:57 #topic Wayward Reviews 13:29:08 #link https://tinyurl.com/y3zto3ad 13:29:40 moguimar first easy review: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/barbican-tempest-plugin/+/481440 13:31:40 I got poked about this one today 13:31:42 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/castellan/+/769560 13:32:23 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/castellan/+/769560/9/castellan/key_manager/barbican_key_manager.py#690 13:32:23 Ack, I'll take a look at that today 13:32:47 wait, Cursive? did I miss a new thing? 13:33:11 rm_work it's an old thing actually. It was orphaned when (team I can't recall) went away 13:33:18 I think that adding loading.get_session_conf_options() to two different option groups will cause missconfig 13:33:20 hmm interesting 13:34:16 rm_work it's used by Cinder (I think?) ... well some project still uses it, so we're helping to maintain it along with the Oslo team 13:35:21 still working on ripping out all of the janky cert code in octavia <_< 13:37:21 #topic Open Discussion 13:37:28 Anything else y'all want to talk about? 13:43:01 Cool, let's call it a day, then. 13:43:07 Thanks for joining everyone! 13:43:11 #endmeeting