16:00:00 #startmeeting blazar 16:00:00 Meeting started Thu Nov 4 16:00:00 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:00 The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' 16:00:07 #topic Roll call 16:00:22 Hello mppowers, right on time :) 16:00:31 hello priteau 16:02:08 Is it just you today? 16:02:47 I'm expecting Jason to join too 16:04:32 Let's wait a few minutes then 16:06:45 oo7 16:06:51 two-headed salute 16:06:52 Hello diurnalist 16:08:27 Before discussing Yoga release I have something about CI 16:08:31 #topic CI status 16:09:01 You may know that our CI jobs run blazar with devstack 16:09:24 There was a change merged yesterday in devstack that broke our devstack jobs 16:09:36 I've fixed it at https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/blazar/+/816627 16:10:00 Please review and approve if good 16:10:19 will do 16:10:42 On a related topic, I thought someone mentioned in the past updating the blazar config for discovering services in keystone 16:10:58 Currently it is done with os_auth_version, os_auth_host, os_auth_port, os_auth_prefix 16:11:05 Maybe it was you diurnalist? 16:12:10 i'm not sure -- what is the alternative to the above? 16:12:34 just os_auth_url? 16:12:55 Just the URL I suppose 16:13:20 And making sure we are using modern auth libraries the way they are intended 16:14:24 that seems to be what all the other services do, at least those that i've seen. 16:14:35 it seems to be something that should probably be in oslo somewhere, but isn't 16:14:40 i see this file being copied in several places https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/conf/auth.py 16:15:28 Good to know 16:16:24 I've added it to the etherpad 16:16:26 other approach: https://opendev.org/openstack/nova/src/branch/master/nova/conf/cinder.py -- only supports *password type 16:16:36 but yes. i'm sure we can steal something sane :) 16:18:12 Let's discuss Yoga priorities now 16:18:16 #topic Yoga release 16:19:39 We have the following from our Etherpad 16:19:41 * Default resource properties 16:19:46 * Third-party resource type plugins 16:19:50 * Blazar calendar 16:19:54 * Remove RPC layer from DB interaction 16:20:14 Do you have any update on the above? 16:20:34 I have been working on third-party plugins 16:21:55 On updating the spec or the actual implementation? 16:22:00 There are more features that need to be addressed in the spec. I mentioned last time that in the current spec, there is no way to validate parameters to create and update resources. 16:22:32 Additionally, right now plugins use allocation_candidates() before creating allocations, which are then passed to enforcement filters, which the spec doesn't account for. 16:25:24 I've been working on an implementation as well, which brings some more questions. One of which is that both the API and manager agents need access to the plugins. Does it make sense to have a plugin agent? I believe neutron plugins run this way, but I may be misremembering 16:27:22 I am not fully sure but I think the agents in Neutron are only used to implement some of the business logic of the plugin when it cannot be done in the main server 16:28:07 agents are mainly used when some operations need to take place on a host that is NOT the neutron server 16:28:17 e.g. creating veth pairs or linux bridges or something on a compute node 16:28:20 Looking at Kolla images, there is an agent for VPNaaS, but not for FWaaS 16:29:31 i don't think there is any strong benefit in having a plugin agent for this. the main thing would be if the plugin code is so intensive that it will bog down the manager thread, b/c the manager is involved in executing all the plugin events etc serially 16:29:54 in the kolla case, both the api and manager containers will simply have the plugin code included, and may call it in different ways 16:30:16 Yes, that makes sense. I was misunderstanding the neutron situation, it seems it is used to implement what can't be done on the main server 16:30:31 the api layer will invoke the plugin's API endpoints and DB accessors mainly, whilst the manager will invoke the lease lifecycle, allocation/dellocation subroutines 16:30:58 Agree with diurnalist 16:31:09 Got it, that clears it up 16:31:15 We don't want to have to manage another process if it's not necessary 16:32:21 The api and manager code will be extended by importing the plugins from config 16:33:03 Yes 16:33:29 We also discussed using JSON fields in the DB to share tables between plugins. 16:33:55 This seems to work fine, I haven't tested if this is slower though. 16:35:22 Just for the *_reservations tables? 16:35:39 It sounded like the thought was to share the *_reservations table at least, but I think we could share the main resources table, and *_allocations as well. This is my preference, as it reduces boilerplate and doesn't require plugins to manage DB migrations. 16:37:38 We should check how much complexity this adds if we use it for all tables. I would prefer to have plugins handle migrations if it means simpler code. 16:41:27 Do you think you could try converting an existing plugin to see the difference? 16:41:54 Yes, that is a good idea for this comparison 16:43:18 I believe you also made progress on the RPC changes, how is that going? 16:43:57 I finished that up for Chameleon, and have yet to refactor it for the upstream change 16:44:42 I can submit that soon, it shouldn't take make to bring it over 16:46:45 Great 16:47:14 I see we have just over 10 minutes left, anything else we should discuss today? 16:48:28 That's it for me 16:48:58 same - i was just reviewing the yoga milestones 16:50:07 main issue i see is that we need to start merging some outstanding things soon b/c more will be incoming i imagine 16:50:22 but this is not unique 16:51:35 If you have merge conflict please update your patche 16:51:40 patches 16:51:54 Meanwhile I am going to look at CI again 16:51:58 I think devstack broke us again 16:52:09 Merge "Switch off creating a keystone admin endpoint by default" 16:53:16 huzzah 16:55:31 i'll work on my patches this afternoon 16:55:35 nothing else from me 16:55:35 Thank you 16:56:13 Last bit of info, I got contacted by someone from IBM in India who wants to use Blazar 16:58:14 That's all from me 16:59:13 Pierre Riteau proposed openstack/blazar master: CI: Fix breakage following devstack changes https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/blazar/+/816627 16:59:23 Hopefully this fixes CI jobs 16:59:31 Thanks both, talk to you soon! 16:59:35 #endmeeting