15:03:42 <gordc> #startmeeting ceilometer
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15:03:46 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'
15:03:52 <cdent> o/
15:03:52 <sileht> o/
15:03:53 <gordc> sorry folks.
15:03:55 <prad> o/
15:03:56 <llu-laptop> o/
15:03:59 <gentux> o/
15:04:00 <gordc> was doing some house cleaning
15:04:11 <fabiog> o/
15:04:25 <cdent> gordc has hoffa's body
15:04:38 <eglynn> o/
15:04:45 <gordc> cdent: i'll google that reference later.lol
15:04:52 <gordc> #topic summit session proposals - VOTING DONE
15:05:10 <gordc> so i've shut down the voting for design session proposals
15:05:18 <gordc> http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Ceilometer#.VUttSdvsl4s
15:05:21 <ityaptin_laptop> o/
15:05:25 <idegtiarov> o/
15:05:37 <gordc> above is the proposed schedule
15:06:08 <ildikov> o/
15:06:11 <llu-laptop> gordc: why many with the same title?
15:06:15 <gordc> the 'fishbowl' large rooms will cover componentisation and event alarm topics as they had the most interest
15:06:36 <gordc> i can't edit the 'work session' titles
15:06:49 <gordc> ttx: ^ i assume that is normal
15:07:11 <gordc> for the work session slots you'll need to dig in
15:07:21 <gordc> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vlEe75uZc5faytpvIMPrQdViOOsRLnfeThk_Rp_lIvI/edit#gid=0
15:07:44 <gordc> you can also find the plan in the spreadsheet where it says 'GORD TYPING'
15:07:52 <prad> could you include the etherpad links in the description as well for work sessions
15:08:11 <gordc> prad: yep. will build etherpads today
15:08:39 <gordc> if anyone notices conflicts please shout ASAP.
15:08:51 <gordc> the schedule should be finalised by next week.
15:09:11 <fabiog> gordc: for the fishbowl, do you think it would be better to have slides due to the large audience?
15:09:39 <cdent> we don't want a presentation, we want a conversation
15:09:41 <gordc> fabiog: you should probably minimise the slides... the layout as i understand it is a circle
15:09:55 <gordc> the screen will most be used for capturing notes on etherpad
15:10:19 <eglynn> gordc: I think the idea of a generic title for working sessions was to gently discourage "lurking"
15:10:26 <ildikov> I think some figures on whiteboard or in a presentation can be helpful, but otherwise I agree with gordc and cdent
15:10:45 <eglynn> ... at least that was a notion expressed at a prior cross-project meeting
15:10:53 <gordc> fabiog: i guess you could consider visuals if they are too complex to draw.
15:11:08 <gordc> eglynn: ah cool cool
15:11:27 <ildikov> eglynn: yeap, I think this was an outcome from Paris, that we should minimize the number of people who are just lurking in the room
15:11:30 <fabiog> gordc: yes. I think at least the current state design and the desired one should be in a driagram
15:11:57 <ildikov> fabiog: +1, it sounds good as a starting point
15:13:00 <gordc> fabiog: ok. if you believe it's something beyond the realm of a drawing then i guess a slide might work... but i don't think we should encourage it.
15:13:14 <cdent> fabiog: I think the point is to figure out the desired one not present it.
15:13:16 <gordc> tbh i hope the plan is simple enough that it doesn't need a powerpoint slide to explain
15:13:28 <cdent> I think we should go into that discussion without a preconceived design
15:13:36 <gordc> cdent: +
15:14:18 <gordc> i should also point out the time... it'll be early... so i guess hold back on the drinks tuesday night.
15:14:31 <fabiog> cdent: I think having a starting point is beneficial, we onlu have 50 min
15:15:09 <gordc> fabiog: i should also point out we have a open slot wed at 3:30pm
15:15:13 <cdent> as long as it is presented as a straw man, okay, but really I think we need to talk about something more fundamental than "we want ceilo to look like this"
15:15:34 <gordc> we will use that as a carry over time for small room discussions
15:15:50 <fabiog> gordc: yes, good idea
15:16:07 <ildikov> cdent: I think we should start with the more fundamental things before any ppt or whiteboard diagram
15:16:42 <fabiog> ildikov: like what?
15:17:00 <gordc> for those sharing time, ie. cdent/fabio. r-mibu/llu i'll let you guys discuss how you want to organise it.
15:17:10 <gordc> feel free to bring me in if you want input.
15:18:07 <gordc> but for the fishbowl items we should probably discuss the broader items... and we can drill down further in work sessions if needed.
15:18:36 <_nadya_> should we visualize meters/ events and should we do data analysis. These questions should be raised again, imho
15:19:30 * idegtiarov agree with _nadya_
15:19:31 <gordc> _nadya_: is that a separate topic you want to propose?
15:20:19 <gordc> _nadya_: based on the one line description above, it's probably something that should exist separately (like gnocchi) for now.
15:20:52 <_nadya_> gordc: no, I think it may be discussed on cdent's session, about the future
15:20:55 <gordc> _nadya_: but i'ts something we can discuss in one of open discussoin slots or the final meetup slot
15:20:57 <ildikov> fabiog: I meant that what we would like to do with Ceilo in general, what is the mission of this module, etc.
15:21:08 <gordc> _nadya_: ah i see. kk
15:22:17 <fabiog> ildikov: yes, but we need to propose a guideline, otherwise we won't achieve anything in 50 min.
15:22:53 <gordc> fabiog: i think you and cdent can come up with some discussion points before hand to guide discussion
15:23:01 <fabiog> ildikov: it could be a list of questions too. to facilitate the discussion
15:23:20 <ildikov> fabiog: gordc: well, if we know already that it will take longer, then we could mark the free sessions as it is already marked as we can continue the dicussion there
15:23:26 <fabiog> gordc: cdent I will schedule a meeting to talk about it
15:23:35 <gordc> fabiog: kk
15:23:55 <fabiog> cdent: you are in Ireland, right?
15:24:13 <gordc> ildikov: i think i already did (unofficially)... it's in the brackets
15:24:23 <ildikov> _nadya_: that topic brings us far IMHO, but I agree that it belongs to cdent/fabiog's session to discuss the idea
15:24:35 <cdent> UK, send me some email and we'll work out what to do
15:24:39 <ildikov> gordc: yeap, that is what I tried to refer to
15:25:13 <gordc> ildikov: sure i'll change that slot to officially say "deal with cdent's madness" :)
15:25:40 <cdent> NO COOKIES FOR GORDC
15:25:57 <ildikov> cdent: fabiog: an etherpad with a rough guideline prior to the session would be useful
15:26:08 <cdent> yes, that makes sense
15:26:08 <ildikov> gordc: LOL :)
15:26:11 <gordc> cdent: i'll just go to store.. /me hopes for sale.
15:26:52 <gordc> fabiog: cdent: please use this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ceilometer-identity
15:26:58 <gordc> i assume there isn't one created already
15:27:50 <gordc> fabiog: cdent: i forgot but do you think your topic links to any other teams?
15:27:53 <gordc> ops?
15:28:02 <cdent> there are the notes that I made when putting the thing on the spreadsheet, but those were supposed to be background to figuring out a guide, so I'll just link to that from this and do more outliney stuff on the new one
15:28:12 <cdent> its partially in response to the ops stuff the prior day
15:28:32 <cdent> as in "what strategies can we use to make the changes they require of us"
15:28:51 <ildikov> gordc: I think if we would bring this up on an ops session it would be an endless discussion
15:28:52 <gordc> cdent: kk. i'm just asking because i can also make the session appear in other projects schedules... so there's more eyes
15:28:54 <cdent> (with the general notion that breaking-things-up is a way to go for a variety of reasons)
15:29:22 <gordc> ildikov: yeah... i took off original ops link because i was worried of that. we can play it by ear.
15:29:23 <cdent> gordc the idea is for it to involve input from other people, so yeah, I guess so
15:29:46 <cdent> It needs to be more more people than just us who are talking right now or why bother?
15:29:51 <gordc> cdent: ok. i'll add tag.
15:30:28 <gordc> for the other topics. please let me know if you'd like a link to another project.
15:30:44 <fabiog> gordc: also is relevant for billing people ...
15:30:59 <ildikov> cdent: in case of topics like this it usually not helps that much to have a huge amount of people involved from the beginning
15:31:27 <gordc> fabiog: doesn't seem to be a 'billing' stream. so i think it might be covered by 'ops'
15:31:33 <cdent> ildikov: I know that is usually the case but the entire point of doing this is to make it clear that people have a vision of how things are and should be that is not aligned
15:31:39 <cdent> either with each other or with the user base
15:31:49 * cdent just gave away the secrete
15:31:51 <cdent> whoops
15:31:54 <gordc> ildikov: i think it might be ok. a 9am start tends to have a smaller audience anyways
15:32:35 <ildikov> cdent: everyone will have an opinion that where and what we should do, you will not find a matching one, so it's better to involve more people, when at least this team tends to agree
15:32:40 <fabiog> gordc: yeah, depends on the party success the night before ..
15:32:43 <ildikov> gordc: good point :)
15:32:53 <cdent> this team _doesn't_ agree!
15:33:14 <cdent> and we need to
15:33:15 <ildikov> cdent: right not it does not, but we should get there once, IMHO
15:33:16 <cdent> thus the session
15:34:14 * gordc isn't overly concerned with complete agreement... just a common general direction.
15:34:54 <ildikov> gordc: this was the tends to agree part of my sentence :)
15:35:06 <gordc> ildikov: :)
15:35:52 <gordc> we all good? i will add the etherpads to the schedule within next 30mins... you can all post there afterwards
15:35:58 <cdent> yup
15:36:17 <ildikov> gordc: I think yeap
15:36:32 <gordc> cool cool
15:36:41 <gordc> cdent i just noticed your etherpad. i'll use yours
15:36:53 <gordc> i'll give it a minute but we'll move on
15:37:55 <gordc> #topic recurring: Gnocchi status
15:38:05 <gordc> jd: sileht: cdent: anything?
15:38:15 <jd__> 1.0.0 released
15:38:26 <gordc> cool stuf
15:38:26 <ttx> gordc: yes it is normal. See my email introducing Cheddar
15:38:27 <sileht> gordc, I have rework the influxdb driver to work with the latest release binding binding
15:38:30 <cdent> some nice noise on the os-dev list from tim bell and crew wanting to test it
15:38:38 <gordc> ttx: cool cool. thanks.
15:38:56 <gordc> cdent: no pressure.
15:39:07 <cdent> indeed
15:40:39 <gordc> #topic open discussion
15:41:55 <gordc> so... we all good? :) i'll give it a min
15:42:43 <gordc> see you later folks!
15:42:46 <gordc> #endmeeting