16:00:39 <jgriffith> #startmeeting cinder
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16:00:54 <thingee> o/
16:00:59 * bswartz is here
16:01:05 <jgriffith> thingee: hey hey!  He's alive!
16:01:11 <jgriffith> bswartz: Yo!
16:01:24 <bswartz> good afternoon/morning
16:01:43 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: around?
16:01:44 <thingee> yeah management change, lol ;)
16:01:57 <jgriffith> thingee: Your end or mine :)
16:02:27 <winston-d> hi all
16:02:31 <jgriffith> let's get started and folks can jump in
16:02:33 <jgriffith> winston-d: Hello!
16:02:42 <jgriffith> #topic rc-3
16:02:47 <winston-d> jgriffith, :)
16:02:54 <winston-d> we have a rc-3?
16:03:05 <jgriffith> RC-3 was cut by magic elves last night
16:03:11 <vincent_hou> hi everyone.
16:03:12 <jgriffith> magic elves == ttx
16:03:34 <jgriffith> So we're kinda locked down at this point barring anything truly critical
16:03:45 <jgriffith> bswartz: I got you bug fix in Nova and Cinder
16:03:50 <bswartz> thanks
16:04:00 <bswartz> why did it appear to go through the acceptance process twice?
16:04:12 <bswartz> I got about 25 mails from jenkins/gerrit
16:04:20 <jgriffith> bswartz: It was a bit painful
16:04:41 <bswartz> jgriffith: sorry about that
16:04:42 <jgriffith> bswartz: had to go through nova, cinder, nova-proposed and cinder-proposed
16:05:07 <jgriffith> bswartz: nahh, that's just the process.  Nothing to do with your specific change
16:05:28 <jgriffith> Ok.. so we have RC3, now we need release notes to go with it!
16:05:37 <jgriffith> I could really use help on this
16:05:57 <jgriffith> Particularly any known issue you have get them up on the wiki
16:06:05 <bswartz> where do release notes go?
16:06:17 <jgriffith> http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseNotes/Folsom
16:06:36 <jgriffith> Or we can set up an etherpad and I'll copy everything over later
16:06:56 <bswartz> I don't see a "Edit" button on this wiki
16:06:58 <jgriffith> Just depends if folks are going to actually add things or not, else I'll just plug away at the wiki
16:07:06 <jgriffith> bswartz: Ahhh
16:07:09 <jgriffith> etherpad it is
16:07:29 <jgriffith> Could be permission thing to edit
16:07:31 <winston-d> +1 for etherpad
16:07:44 <bswartz> wait I see a login button
16:07:49 <jgriffith> Ok.. etherpad: http://etherpad.openstack.org/cinder-folsom
16:08:02 <jgriffith> ehterpad may be a better way to go anyway for a number of reasons
16:08:16 <jgriffith> winston-d: bswartz Let's go with that
16:08:31 <bswartz> okay after logging in it appears I can edit
16:08:43 <jgriffith> #info contribute to release notes using etherpad http://etherpad.openstack.org/cinder-folsom
16:08:48 <bswartz> -1 for etherpad
16:08:53 <bswartz> arg
16:08:54 <jgriffith> bswartz: booo!
16:08:55 <bswartz> ok
16:09:10 <bswartz> I'll do the etherpad
16:09:12 <jgriffith> bswartz: If you want to add to wiki feel free... just let me know what you added
16:09:33 <jgriffith> TBH I don't care what people use as long as they help out ;)
16:09:53 <jgriffith> Don't forget we still need DOCS!!!!!!
16:10:17 <jgriffith> I'm hoping to see some things coming in over the next few days :)
16:10:28 <jgriffith> I'll hold my breath and see who wants me to live or die
16:10:50 <jgriffith> any questions on RC3 and next steps?
16:11:00 <bswartz> I'll be honest I took a look at github/openstack-manuals and I wasn't able to figure out where the docs go
16:11:12 <jgriffith> bswartz: Yeah, understood...
16:11:27 <jgriffith> bswartz: I thought I gave a link to the third party drivers section?
16:12:04 <bswartz> jgriffith: in that case I must have failed to notice it
16:12:19 <bswartz> send it again and I'll bookmark
16:12:35 <jgriffith> bswartz: No worries... lemme grab it
16:13:08 * jgriffith scratches head....
16:13:18 <jgriffith> Looks like the layout has changed
16:13:35 <jgriffith> It's docs.openstack.org that I'm referencing
16:14:19 <bswartz> is that website not generated from https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals ?
16:14:40 <jgriffith> bswartz: yes it is
16:15:07 <jgriffith> We will need to add some sections
16:15:16 <jgriffith> Her'es my proposal...
16:15:27 <jgriffith> If you have time/ability to create some docs
16:15:39 <jgriffith> Just do them in etherpad, google-docs or whatever you want and forward them to me
16:15:50 <jgriffith> I'll pull them together when I get the layout stuff all figured out
16:15:57 <jgriffith> or get help from docs team to make it work
16:16:09 <jgriffith> Or if you want to be pro-active ping anne and get the skinny
16:16:13 * bswartz wonders if annegentle is here
16:16:23 <jgriffith> annegentle: ping
16:16:50 <jgriffith> Ok... we'll see if she pops in later and come back to this
16:17:11 <vincent_hou> jgriffith: my colleague is a core member of the doc team.
16:17:17 <jgriffith> The main things I'd like to see are some write ups on the drivers of course
16:17:18 <bswartz> all i have time for is some minimal stuff for the netapp and NFS drivers, and I plan to put in links back to NetApp's own documentation
16:17:35 <jgriffith> bswartz: That's fine and would be more than helpful
16:17:44 <vincent_hou> jgriffith: i can turn to her for help.
16:17:53 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: That would be great
16:18:13 <jgriffith> In the meantime if people just want to write up the info and send it my way that would be great
16:18:45 <jgriffith> I'd like to move on to the next topic... I have two things I want to cover
16:18:50 <bswartz> I would rather see what the current existing docs look like so I can copy the style
16:19:07 <jgriffith> One is the dd and tempest tests, the other is the bug vincent_hou filed last night
16:19:17 <jgriffith> bswartz: So you can see that from docs.openstack.org
16:19:23 <bswartz> ok
16:19:27 <vincent_hou> Guys, I failed to create the volume with the latest devstack installation.
16:19:52 <jgriffith> #topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1056570
16:19:53 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1056570 in cinder "Unable to create the volume" [Undecided,New]
16:20:01 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: This seems odd
16:20:08 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: There are a number of things here...
16:20:20 <jgriffith> 1. there appear to be no volume-groups created
16:20:28 <jgriffith> 2. pkgs seem to be missing from the install
16:21:03 <bswartz> this is using the default driver?
16:21:12 <vincent_hou> yes
16:21:29 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: do you have access to the machine right now?
16:22:11 <vincent_hou> jgriffith: i can setup.
16:22:25 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: we can work together after the meeting
16:22:37 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: So was this a fresh install on a VM?
16:22:57 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: I'm confused as the jenkins/gate tests seem to work
16:22:58 <vincent_hou> jgriffith: on a physical machine.
16:23:07 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: And I've been running the heck out of devstack the past two days
16:23:15 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: Ahhh
16:23:25 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: I'm wondering if something is borked up on your system
16:23:53 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: if 'sudo vgs' doesn't work there's something hosed at a low level
16:24:06 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: but stack.sh should've come up with an error
16:24:23 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: If you have time maybe we could chat offline after the meeting?
16:24:41 <vincent_hou> jgriffith: ok
16:24:51 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: great...
16:25:05 <jgriffith> #topic tempest failures
16:25:32 <jgriffith> So something I noticed yesterday/last night was a much higher frequency of intermittent fails in the gate tests
16:26:07 <jgriffith> I'm pretty sure this is the dd issue... but I'm a bit concerened because the frequency seems to have increased significantly
16:26:22 <jgriffith> also I'm seeing it on the volume-delete, not just snapshots
16:26:41 <jgriffith> I'm wondering if O-Direct or the other changes may have something to do with this?
16:26:56 <jgriffith> has anybody seen anything interesting around this in their own testing?
16:27:55 <bswartz> not I
16:28:10 <bswartz> but I never touch the default driver
16:28:25 <jgriffith> bswartz: lucky you :)
16:28:46 <jgriffith> alright, I'm setting up some tests to gather some timing and stats on this right now
16:28:49 <jgriffith> we'll see how it goes
16:29:59 <jgriffith> #topic open discussion
16:30:09 <jgriffith> Anybody have anything they want to bring up?
16:30:29 <bswartz> when does grizzly open up?
16:30:38 <jgriffith> bswartz: It's open
16:30:53 <bswartz> where so I submit changes destined for grizzly?
16:31:02 <jgriffith> bswartz: master
16:31:12 <bswartz> okay
16:31:17 <jgriffith> bswartz: items that go into review right now are Grizzly
16:31:30 <jgriffith> bswartz: But TBH I'm a bit more concerned/focused on Folsom until it's done
16:31:49 <bswartz> yeah I don't want to create distractions from Folsom
16:31:54 <jgriffith> bswartz: So you likely won't get much attention this week if you push a bunch of stuff
16:32:06 <bswartz> I will hold off for now
16:32:14 <jgriffith> bswartz: Your call
16:32:23 <bswartz> I have some small stuff, I'm saving the bigger stuff for after the conference
16:32:44 <jgriffith> bswartz: :)
16:33:15 <jgriffith> speaking of conference...
16:33:27 <jgriffith> I'd like to dedicate some time at next weeks meeting to talk about summit sessions
16:33:37 <jgriffith> Just so you know I'm not forgetting :)
16:33:59 <bswartz> is there a deadline for submitting summit sessions?
16:34:04 <bswartz> I'm working on a submission
16:34:13 <jgriffith> You've got time..
16:34:24 <jgriffith> If you can have it by next weeks meeting that would be good
16:34:41 <jgriffith> but even if not you'll be ok
16:35:01 <jgriffith> bswartz: I'm assuming your talking Cinder sessions?
16:35:07 <bswartz> yes
16:35:14 <jgriffith> bswartz: If you're talking general summit sessions those are closed
16:35:24 <jgriffith> K
16:35:25 <bswartz> I submitted a general summit session and did not get the votes
16:35:49 <jgriffith> bswartz: yeah, the vote thing wasn't very good this time around IMO
16:37:03 <jgriffith> anybody else have anything?
16:37:41 <jgriffith> Ok, thanks everyone
16:37:48 <winston-d> thx, john
16:37:52 <jgriffith> vincent_hou: I'll meet you in #openstack-cinder
16:38:11 <vincent_hou> ok
16:38:12 <jgriffith> later guys... ping me if you need anything!
16:38:20 <jgriffith> #endmeeting cinder