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16:00:10 * DuncanT waves
16:00:21 <mriedem> o/
16:00:22 <e0ne> hi
16:00:22 <smcginnis> Howdy
16:00:22 <jgregor> Hello!
16:00:24 <scottda> konichiwa
16:00:25 <xyang1> Hi
16:00:28 <jseiler> hi
16:00:29 <geguileo> Hi
16:00:30 <smcginnis> scottda: ;)
16:00:43 <jungleboyj> Hola, como estas?
16:00:48 <smcginnis> #topic Announcements
16:00:49 <eharney> hi
16:00:50 * bswartz lurks
16:00:54 <diablo_rojo> hello :)
16:01:00 <jgriffith> <o/
16:01:07 <smcginnis> Liberty RC3 is cut. Hopefully that's it for Liberty.
16:01:10 <shamail> hi
16:01:11 * smcginnis crosses fingers
16:01:15 <gman-tx> hi
16:01:29 <smcginnis> Just an FYI for CI operators...
16:01:41 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: I have a fix in HAVE TO HAVE in Liberty!
16:01:42 <dulek> o/
16:01:47 <smcginnis> In case you didn't see, there is a gerrit restart scheduled for Saturday at 18.00 UTC.
16:01:52 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: TOO BAD!
16:01:54 <smcginnis> :)
16:02:01 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: ;-)
16:02:11 <smcginnis> So if you're CI doesn't handle that well, be on the lookout.
16:02:20 <Swanson> hello
16:02:27 <smcginnis> Related to that, soon after the summit gerrit will be updated to a new version.
16:02:31 <smcginnis> UI changes come with that.
16:02:44 <patrickeast> hi
16:02:44 <smcginnis> Not sure if I like them yet, but I'm sure I'll adjust.
16:03:17 <tbarron> hi
16:03:32 <jgriffith> smcginnis: is there a preview of those out?
16:03:33 <smcginnis> That's all I had for announcements.
16:03:39 <asselin__> Speaking of CI, I have a single-node ci solution merged upstream now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227584/
16:03:43 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Good question...
16:03:45 <asselin__> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200330/
16:03:54 <smcginnis> https://review-dev.openstack.org IIRC.
16:04:15 <smcginnis> asselin__: Awesome!
16:04:15 <asselin__> docs are still WIP, but you can start with that if you like.
16:04:15 <eharney> asselin: nice
16:04:16 <smcginnis> asselin__: Thanks for all your work on that. It will definitely help.
16:04:32 <smcginnis> OK, moving on.
16:04:45 <smcginnis> #topic RemoteFS drivers refactoring
16:04:59 <smcginnis> dguryanov?
16:05:08 <smcginnis> Doesn't look like they're here?
16:05:18 <Swanson> asselin__, woo!
16:05:25 <smcginnis> Going once...
16:05:27 <eharney> we had some ML discussion about this
16:05:33 <eharney> not sure i have a lot to add here really
16:05:48 <smcginnis> eharney: Yeah. I think we left it at needing to file a spec and bp.
16:05:58 <smcginnis> That's probably where this discussion should start.
16:06:03 <tbarron> yep
16:06:05 <dulek> smcginnis: +1
16:06:05 <smcginnis> Any more to say on it?
16:06:12 <eharney> nah
16:06:19 <smcginnis> OK.
16:06:31 <smcginnis> #topic Liberty release notes
16:06:42 <smcginnis> We need to update the release notes for Liberty.
16:06:54 <smcginnis> I can get the page updated, but I definitely need help pulling that together.
16:07:06 <smcginnis> If folks could head over to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-release-notes
16:07:06 <dulek> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-release-notes
16:07:09 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-release-notes
16:07:19 <smcginnis> #info Need to capture Liberty release notes
16:07:25 <mriedem> i'd recommend grepping commit messages for UpgradeImpact in the last 6 months
16:07:29 <mriedem> there is an example in the nova dev ML
16:07:36 <mriedem> makes remembering easier
16:07:39 <smcginnis> mriedem: Thanks, good suggestion!
16:07:42 <dulek> mriedem: I don't think we're using UpgradeImpact
16:07:48 <mriedem> DocImpact too
16:07:50 <smcginnis> Def not often enough.
16:07:54 <mriedem> but DocImpact is usually abused
16:07:58 <smcginnis> I'll check though.
16:08:09 <dulek> smcginnis: I assume that you'll review items on the Etherpad and move it to the Wiki?
16:08:21 <smcginnis> dulek: Yep, I'll review and format.
16:08:42 <smcginnis> So throw in whatever you think is relevant and I'll sort it out.
16:08:58 <dulek> smcginnis: I've put two things there, but I'm not sure if they fit, so it would be nice to have someone more experienced to filter them.
16:09:08 <dulek> smcginnis: Okay, thanks! :)
16:09:16 <smcginnis> dulek: No worries, we'll figure it out. Thanks!
16:09:24 <smcginnis> #topic Finalize Summit planning
16:09:36 <smcginnis> #link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/cinder
16:09:43 <smcginnis> I sent out an ML post on this.
16:09:57 <smcginnis> But if folks could take a look and make sure I didn't screw anything up.
16:10:06 <smcginnis> Also captured here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-mitaka-summit-topics
16:10:38 <DuncanT> I thought we were going to rename the VIPR session?
16:10:51 <hemna> DuncanT, +1
16:10:53 <smcginnis> Yeah, wasn't sure about whether we should use that name.
16:10:56 <e0ne> smcginnis: do we have only 4 working sessions?
16:11:07 <smcginnis> e0ne: Five I believe.
16:11:31 <xyang1> 5 fish bowl, 4 working sessions
16:11:31 <smcginnis> I'll rename that. Thought I may have the right to use that product name soon. :]
16:11:39 <jgriffith> any better ideas for title?
16:11:40 <smcginnis> xyang1: Oh, right. Thanks!
16:11:43 <jgriffith> I changed it...
16:11:44 <shamail> lol smcginnis
16:11:46 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: :-)
16:11:48 <dulek> Hey, do we actually need a session on volume manager locks? I thought that was settled on the latest Google Hangout?
16:12:06 <jgriffith> but I guess the other question is does anybody else have interest in the topic or should we just drop it?
16:12:07 <smcginnis> CoprHD is open source at least. Should we use that?
16:12:14 <scottda> dulek: I don't think it's settled
16:12:25 <smcginnis> jgriffith: I think the idea probably deserves some discussion.
16:12:34 <scottda> There are issues with breaking clients, alternatives like a DLM, etc
16:12:43 <smcginnis> dulek: There are a lot of cross project sessions on DLM.
16:12:48 <DuncanT> dulek: The hangouts are just to try to nail things down a bit better
16:12:56 <shamail> "the next multi-cloud SDS controller"
16:13:03 <dulek> smcginnis: There's one two-part session on that I think.
16:13:14 <smcginnis> We can leave it there for now, and change it if it ends up being resolved before then.
16:13:19 <dulek> scottda: Okay, breaking clients is a real issue.
16:13:21 <smcginnis> Partly why I left it last.
16:13:34 <smcginnis> shamail: +1, I like that.
16:13:36 <dulek> scottda: But please, no more "do we want a DLM" discussion again. :D
16:13:42 <smcginnis> I'll update the session title.
16:13:47 <DuncanT> dulek: When the only current client is nova, breakage might be less of an issue
16:14:16 <smcginnis> At any rate, ping me later if you find any other issues with the schedule and I'll try to fix it.
16:14:23 <dulek> DuncanT: True, but I think snapshot/volume delete is consumed by clients also.
16:14:41 <scottda> dulek: See? There's still more to discuss :)
16:14:45 <dulek> DuncanT: Anyway - probably no point of getting into the details now.
16:14:51 <dulek> scottda: You've got me. ;)
16:14:57 <DuncanT> dulek: Yes, it is, and needs different handling purhaps
16:15:25 <smcginnis> #topic Mitaka Midcycle planning
16:15:27 <mriedem> tempest isn't a client of cinder?
16:15:38 <jgriffith> mriedem: :)
16:15:41 <smcginnis> So I want to start the planning and discussion for the midcycle.
16:15:57 <smcginnis> I've had a few conversations with some folks on this.
16:15:59 <hemna> location ?
16:16:22 <smcginnis> I don't want to do every other release, but I would like to pitch the idea of occasionally having an international midcycle.
16:16:38 <smcginnis> Wondering if we can pull together something in Europe in Jan or Feb?
16:16:42 <dulek> hemna: Maybe Europe for the first time? Hey, geguileo, Spain is great!
16:16:54 <hemna> I think that would limit the folks that would be able to go
16:16:58 <jgriffith> smcginnis: I think that's a good idea, BUT is Jan/Feb in Europe a good idea :)
16:17:01 <e0ne> smcginnis: +1 for Europe
16:17:03 <smcginnis> I know Dell, IBM, and HP all have offices in Ireland.
16:17:05 <geguileo> dulek: It is, but I think N is in Barcelona already...
16:17:11 <Swanson> smcginnis, wants DeMC to pay for his european vacation.
16:17:21 <jgriffith> smcginnis: unless you do like south of france or spain or greece etc
16:17:22 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Hey, I'm in MN. Anywhere is better in Jan/Feb. :)
16:17:22 <jgriffith> :)
16:17:30 <hemna> Greece?  really?
16:17:35 <hemna> have you seen Greece lately?
16:17:35 <jgriffith> smcginnis: LOL... I forgot it's all about perspective
16:17:36 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: :-)
16:17:43 <smcginnis> Spain or southern France would be nice. Italy?
16:17:49 <jgriffith> hemna: no... I was just commenting on winter weather
16:17:56 <smcginnis> I was thinking Ireland since it's not as expensive as some other options.
16:17:57 <hemna> Grenoble
16:18:11 <shamail> Should go south of the equator, like Chile
16:18:12 <jgriffith> smcginnis: Yeah, Ireland was on my list, then I thought "jan/feb" :(
16:18:18 <dulek> I can probably propose Gdansk in Poland, but it's a little cold in Jan/Feb.
16:18:20 <scottda> Ireland is much nicer in summer...
16:18:20 <jgriffith> I'll let DuncanT tell me if I'm mistaken
16:18:22 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: Less expensive is good.
16:18:22 <Swanson> I think every currency is doing well against the drachma.
16:18:34 <smcginnis> Jamaica? :)
16:18:41 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: Some companies may still be reeling from the cost of Japan.
16:18:48 <hemna> jungleboyj, +1
16:18:49 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: Good point.
16:18:51 <jungleboyj> Oh now this is turning into a boondoggle.
16:18:52 <jgriffith> LOL... BOOON-DOGle
16:19:01 <jgriffith> jungleboyj: jinx
16:19:05 <DuncanT> Ireland in Jan/Feb is wet even by Irish standards
16:19:08 <shamail> lol
16:19:11 <jungleboyj> jgriffith: That is scary.
16:19:12 <Swanson> jungleboyj, some companies are spending a lot of money on sudden expenses.
16:19:19 <jgriffith> jungleboyj: watch it!!! :)
16:19:24 <xyang1> smcginnis: are you going to cover my travel cost?:)
16:19:25 <dulek> Why don't we have an etherpad with propositions? Then smcginnis will filter them and create a poll.
16:19:29 <hemna> Hawaii
16:19:29 <smcginnis> We can use that to tell our bosses it's not a boondoggle. :)
16:19:30 <jungleboyj> :-)
16:19:37 <smcginnis> xyang1: :D
16:19:40 <scottda> Somewhere warm
16:19:43 <xyang1> :)
16:19:45 <jgriffith> To be serious for a second...
16:19:55 <smcginnis> dulek: Good idea.
16:20:06 <jgriffith> We should consider the fact that we typically have folks travel internationally to attend mid-cycles in the states
16:20:19 <jungleboyj> jgriffith: Good point.
16:20:22 <shamail> jgriffith: +1
16:20:25 <jgriffith> It would be good if we could sometime trade off
16:20:34 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Exactly!
16:20:36 <DuncanT> jgriffith: +lots
16:20:38 <jgriffith> and I think there are a number of folks that can't travel to the states that CAN travel to Europe
16:20:42 <hemna> it would be good.
16:20:54 <e0ne> jgriffith: +1
16:20:56 <hemna> I doubt we'd be able to make it fwiw
16:21:01 <smcginnis> We're still very US centric, so probably not every time, but at least something like one out of four would be nice.
16:21:08 <smcginnis> hemna: No HP?
16:21:10 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: If we are going this road we need to plan sooner than later.
16:21:11 <DuncanT> Summer in Europe is generally nicer travel time though, and far less nuts temperature wise than much of the US
16:21:24 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: Yeah, that's why I'm brining it up now.
16:21:24 <hemna> smcginnis, I think it would be very tough for us to make it.
16:21:36 <jgriffith> so maybe during N?
16:21:40 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: ++
16:21:43 <smcginnis> hemna: That's the one thing I want to avoid.
16:21:59 <hemna> I can float it w/ my mgrs now
16:22:06 <scottda> Perhaps a separate poll on likelihood of attending in Europe.
16:22:06 * e0ne dreams about midcycle in Alps
16:22:10 <jungleboyj> jgriffith: For N would be good so we could plan further ahead.
16:22:13 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle
16:22:20 <jungleboyj> e0ne: ++
16:22:20 <smcginnis> For now, if folks could put ideas in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle
16:22:30 <diablo_rojo> jungleboyj: +1
16:22:31 <smcginnis> Let's see what kind of feedback we get.
16:22:35 <Swanson> Split the difference (and make life hell for those in asia) and do do Iceland.
16:22:39 <scottda> We also need host companies to volunteer
16:22:54 <hemna> I'd love another trip to Europe though :)
16:23:51 <smcginnis> OK, if folks with international offices could also not that in the etherpad, let's list potential places.
16:23:57 <DuncanT> Israel would be nice, but it's a bit stabby here at the moment
16:24:09 <smcginnis> Then we'll need to have some discussion to see who would be negatively impacted by it.
16:24:30 <smcginnis> Maybe we defer it to later release, but I'd like to do it soonish.
16:24:34 <jungleboyj> DuncanT: That doesn't sound good.
16:24:44 <jgriffith> DuncanT: terrible pun
16:24:50 <jgriffith> DuncanT: little too close to reality
16:24:59 <hemna> DuncanT, lol
16:25:18 <jungleboyj> DuncanT: Not so kaboomy right now?
16:25:19 <DuncanT> jgriffith: Far too close to reality, if I'm honest
16:25:35 <kmartin> the location should have working wifi
16:25:42 <jgriffith> I've been watching the news.... I'd go back to Ireland if I were you
16:25:42 <DuncanT> jungleboyj: No. Knives, screwdrivers, an axe and a few ram raids
16:25:45 <smcginnis> kmartin: groooan
16:26:03 <shamail> fwiw, since there is always one international summit per year... companies will always be either still "getting over the cost" or "getting prepared for the cost".  I would suggest making your decision decoupled from the Tokyo expense.
16:26:11 <rajinir> Ireland+1
16:26:16 <smcginnis> shamail: Another good point.
16:26:22 <jungleboyj> DuncanT: :-(
16:26:34 <hemna> shamail, I'll tell my managers and cost centers you mentioned that.  I'm sure it'll help.
16:26:55 <smcginnis> #topic Open Discussion
16:26:56 <shamail> hemna: :D
16:26:59 <jungleboyj> Ireland does seem like a reasonable location.
16:27:00 <smcginnis> Let's move on for now.
16:27:23 <jgriffith> yes please :)
16:27:26 <e0ne> how hard is to get Ireland visa?
16:27:32 <smcginnis> My preference would be Ireland, both for cost and I know we have some companies that are good options to host there.
16:27:46 <smcginnis> But anyway...
16:28:05 <hemna> Ireland would be cool
16:28:19 * mriedem checks the clock
16:28:21 <hemna> They have beer ?
16:28:24 <rajinir> US Government that enables Irish and US citizens to work and travel in each other's countries for up to 12 months.
16:28:32 <e0ne> hemna: Guiness!!!
16:28:50 <diablo_rojo> Never been there, but I feel like I would fit in in Ireland, being ginger.
16:28:50 <dulek> Talking about beer…
16:28:56 <jungleboyj> hemna: You are such a kidder.
16:28:57 <dulek> Shouldn't we meet for a beer in Tokio?
16:29:03 <rhedlind> I came in late. Are we planning to have the mid cycle in Ireland? :)
16:29:03 <smcginnis> dulek: Oh yeah
16:29:08 <jungleboyj> dulek: Sake
16:29:10 <e0ne> dulek: +2
16:29:10 <smcginnis> That was the other thing I wanted to bring up
16:29:18 <hemna> jungleboyj, :P
16:29:26 <tbarron> e0ne: the real thing, not what they sell under that name here
16:29:27 <smcginnis> I'd like to arrange another Cinder get together in Tokyo if we can.
16:29:39 <jungleboyj> Love how this group gets on beer and traveling and can't get off.
16:29:42 <smcginnis> That was fun in Vancouver.
16:29:47 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: ;)
16:29:50 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: ++
16:29:59 <e0ne> tbarron: yep, I know that the real Guiness is only in Dublin
16:30:06 <hemna> smcginnis, +1
16:30:06 <smcginnis> I haven't seen any conflicts Monday night yet.
16:30:19 <smcginnis> Should we try to meet up somewhere Monday evening?
16:30:27 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: Ninja school?
16:30:31 <kmartin> smcginnis, we usually get together on Friday night during the summits
16:30:31 <e0ne> <smcginnis: +1, Monday is good
16:30:45 <hemna> is everyone buying Katana's while they are out there?
16:30:50 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: Monday would be good.  I have to be gone Friday night.
16:30:53 <patrickeast> monday night works for me
16:30:58 <jgriffith> smcginnis: I have a conflict Monday night
16:31:06 <hemna> Monday works
16:31:07 <dulek> smcginnis: There's Woman Of OpenStack event on Monday
16:31:07 <jgriffith> and Thurs night... possibly Wed night
16:31:15 <smcginnis> dulek: Oh yeah.
16:31:19 <jgriffith> but that's ok... I can have two dinners :)
16:31:21 <smcginnis> jgriffith: :)
16:31:28 <jungleboyj> Have there been notes about other events?  I think the core event is Tuesday?
16:31:45 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: That and the HP party are the only ones I have set.
16:31:57 <jungleboyj> When is the HP party?
16:32:05 <DuncanT> There's an HP etc party one night, and the core party, dunno of any others (please let me know if there are)
16:32:27 <smcginnis> HP party Wednesday night.
16:32:28 <dulek> DuncanT: Isn't core party on Monday?
16:32:34 <rajinir> HP Event Wednesday Oct 28th 7pm
16:32:34 <smcginnis> dulek: Tuesday.
16:32:35 <shamail> Tuesday
16:32:41 <jgriffith> This is a productive meeting :)
16:32:41 <e0ne> "If a ticket becomes available, you will be contacted automatically with further instructions on how to purchase your ticket. No further action is required." :(
16:32:50 <smcginnis> jgriffith: I've lost control.
16:32:51 <e0ne> ^^ it's about cores' party
16:32:55 <jgriffith> LOL
16:33:08 <jungleboyj> PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:33:24 <smcginnis> Anyone have any real issues to talk about?
16:33:25 <dulek> So probably Thursday evening is free?
16:33:34 <xyang1> e0ne: you couldn't get ticket to core party?
16:33:49 <tbarron> smcginnis: kilo backports?
16:33:54 <e0ne> xyang1: yep:(. I'm in a waiting list
16:34:00 <kmartin> Thursday is good
16:34:08 <dulek> Monday-Woman Of OpenStack event, Tuesday-Core teams party, Wednesday-HP&Scality…
16:34:10 <jungleboyj> Thursday could work too.
16:34:17 <smcginnis> tbarron: Sure, go ahead.
16:34:27 <scottda> Monday is kinda nice to get us all together before things start
16:34:32 <tbarron> blocking issues for kilo backports are cleared, right?
16:34:34 <jungleboyj> dulek: Oh, thanks for the reminder on Women of Openstack.
16:34:43 <smcginnis> Monday and Thursday. :)
16:34:44 <tbarron> but it is going to security only real soon now?
16:34:48 <smcginnis> No reason we can only meet up once.
16:35:05 <smcginnis> tbarron: Yes, as soon as L is officially cut, Kilo will be security only fixes.
16:35:17 <jungleboyj> Oh, I did have a topic.
16:35:23 <smcginnis> If anyone has anything that they think should make it into Kilo before then, now's the time.
16:35:32 <jungleboyj> So, we have several Kilo patches that are close to going in.
16:35:37 <jungleboyj> Should I +A them?
16:35:51 <tbarron> jungleboyj: that's what I'm asking :-)
16:35:59 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: If they meet the guidelines and are ready, yes, I think so.
16:36:04 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: Now or never. :)
16:36:15 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: Ok, I will do that today.
16:36:21 <patrickeast> i've got a handful of kilo patches struggling with jenkins/the gate problems the last couple of days, shameless plug: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:stable/kilo+topic:multipath-iscsi-cleanup,n,z
16:36:21 <jungleboyj> I was just looking at those.
16:36:26 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: Thank you.
16:36:34 <smcginnis> patrickeast: Are those depency issues?
16:36:36 <patrickeast> all but one already were +A'ed at some point
16:36:41 <tbarron> jungleboyj: thanks!
16:36:55 <jungleboyj> patrickeast: and tbarron ping me if I miss anything.
16:37:00 <eharney> note that the notifications related py27 failure has been fixed in master (as far as i can tell) but will still hit stable/kilo
16:37:06 <eharney> i just saw it on one of patrickeast's patches
16:37:18 <smcginnis> eharney: Ah, good to know.
16:37:19 <patrickeast> smcginnis: they are in a chain as dependencies only to avoid merge conflicts
16:39:18 <smcginnis> Anything else?
16:40:03 <smcginnis> OK, let's move the beer, er, I mean meetup discussion over the #cinder.
16:40:12 <geguileo> XD
16:40:13 <smcginnis> Thanks everyone.
16:40:14 <cebruns> Haha
16:40:17 <geguileo> Thanks!
16:40:24 <Swanson> you're welcome
16:40:24 <smcginnis> #endmeeting