16:00:02 #startmeeting Cinder 16:00:03 Meeting started Wed Oct 14 16:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:07 The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' 16:00:10 * DuncanT waves 16:00:21 o/ 16:00:22 hi 16:00:22 Howdy 16:00:22 Hello! 16:00:24 konichiwa 16:00:25 Hi 16:00:28 hi 16:00:29 Hi 16:00:30 scottda: ;) 16:00:43 Hola, como estas? 16:00:48 #topic Announcements 16:00:49 hi 16:00:50 * bswartz lurks 16:00:54 hello :) 16:01:00 Liberty RC3 is cut. Hopefully that's it for Liberty. 16:01:10 hi 16:01:11 * smcginnis crosses fingers 16:01:15 hi 16:01:29 Just an FYI for CI operators... 16:01:41 smcginnis: I have a fix in HAVE TO HAVE in Liberty! 16:01:42 o/ 16:01:47 In case you didn't see, there is a gerrit restart scheduled for Saturday at 18.00 UTC. 16:01:52 jungleboyj: TOO BAD! 16:01:54 :) 16:02:01 smcginnis: ;-) 16:02:11 So if you're CI doesn't handle that well, be on the lookout. 16:02:20 hello 16:02:27 Related to that, soon after the summit gerrit will be updated to a new version. 16:02:31 UI changes come with that. 16:02:44 hi 16:02:44 Not sure if I like them yet, but I'm sure I'll adjust. 16:03:17 hi 16:03:32 smcginnis: is there a preview of those out? 16:03:33 That's all I had for announcements. 16:03:39 Speaking of CI, I have a single-node ci solution merged upstream now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227584/ 16:03:43 jgriffith: Good question... 16:03:45 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200330/ 16:03:54 https://review-dev.openstack.org IIRC. 16:04:15 asselin__: Awesome! 16:04:15 docs are still WIP, but you can start with that if you like. 16:04:15 asselin: nice 16:04:16 asselin__: Thanks for all your work on that. It will definitely help. 16:04:32 OK, moving on. 16:04:45 #topic RemoteFS drivers refactoring 16:04:59 dguryanov? 16:05:08 Doesn't look like they're here? 16:05:18 asselin__, woo! 16:05:25 Going once... 16:05:27 we had some ML discussion about this 16:05:33 not sure i have a lot to add here really 16:05:48 eharney: Yeah. I think we left it at needing to file a spec and bp. 16:05:58 That's probably where this discussion should start. 16:06:03 yep 16:06:05 smcginnis: +1 16:06:05 Any more to say on it? 16:06:12 nah 16:06:19 OK. 16:06:31 #topic Liberty release notes 16:06:42 We need to update the release notes for Liberty. 16:06:54 I can get the page updated, but I definitely need help pulling that together. 16:07:06 If folks could head over to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-release-notes 16:07:06 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-release-notes 16:07:09 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-release-notes 16:07:19 #info Need to capture Liberty release notes 16:07:25 i'd recommend grepping commit messages for UpgradeImpact in the last 6 months 16:07:29 there is an example in the nova dev ML 16:07:36 makes remembering easier 16:07:39 mriedem: Thanks, good suggestion! 16:07:42 mriedem: I don't think we're using UpgradeImpact 16:07:48 DocImpact too 16:07:50 Def not often enough. 16:07:54 but DocImpact is usually abused 16:07:58 I'll check though. 16:08:09 smcginnis: I assume that you'll review items on the Etherpad and move it to the Wiki? 16:08:21 dulek: Yep, I'll review and format. 16:08:42 So throw in whatever you think is relevant and I'll sort it out. 16:08:58 smcginnis: I've put two things there, but I'm not sure if they fit, so it would be nice to have someone more experienced to filter them. 16:09:08 smcginnis: Okay, thanks! :) 16:09:16 dulek: No worries, we'll figure it out. Thanks! 16:09:24 #topic Finalize Summit planning 16:09:36 #link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/cinder 16:09:43 I sent out an ML post on this. 16:09:57 But if folks could take a look and make sure I didn't screw anything up. 16:10:06 Also captured here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-mitaka-summit-topics 16:10:38 I thought we were going to rename the VIPR session? 16:10:51 DuncanT, +1 16:10:53 Yeah, wasn't sure about whether we should use that name. 16:10:56 smcginnis: do we have only 4 working sessions? 16:11:07 e0ne: Five I believe. 16:11:31 5 fish bowl, 4 working sessions 16:11:31 I'll rename that. Thought I may have the right to use that product name soon. :] 16:11:39 any better ideas for title? 16:11:40 xyang1: Oh, right. Thanks! 16:11:43 I changed it... 16:11:44 lol smcginnis 16:11:46 smcginnis: :-) 16:11:48 Hey, do we actually need a session on volume manager locks? I thought that was settled on the latest Google Hangout? 16:12:06 but I guess the other question is does anybody else have interest in the topic or should we just drop it? 16:12:07 CoprHD is open source at least. Should we use that? 16:12:14 dulek: I don't think it's settled 16:12:25 jgriffith: I think the idea probably deserves some discussion. 16:12:34 There are issues with breaking clients, alternatives like a DLM, etc 16:12:43 dulek: There are a lot of cross project sessions on DLM. 16:12:48 dulek: The hangouts are just to try to nail things down a bit better 16:12:56 "the next multi-cloud SDS controller" 16:13:03 smcginnis: There's one two-part session on that I think. 16:13:14 We can leave it there for now, and change it if it ends up being resolved before then. 16:13:19 scottda: Okay, breaking clients is a real issue. 16:13:21 Partly why I left it last. 16:13:34 shamail: +1, I like that. 16:13:36 scottda: But please, no more "do we want a DLM" discussion again. :D 16:13:42 I'll update the session title. 16:13:47 dulek: When the only current client is nova, breakage might be less of an issue 16:14:16 At any rate, ping me later if you find any other issues with the schedule and I'll try to fix it. 16:14:23 DuncanT: True, but I think snapshot/volume delete is consumed by clients also. 16:14:41 dulek: See? There's still more to discuss :) 16:14:45 DuncanT: Anyway - probably no point of getting into the details now. 16:14:51 scottda: You've got me. ;) 16:14:57 dulek: Yes, it is, and needs different handling purhaps 16:15:25 #topic Mitaka Midcycle planning 16:15:27 tempest isn't a client of cinder? 16:15:38 mriedem: :) 16:15:41 So I want to start the planning and discussion for the midcycle. 16:15:57 I've had a few conversations with some folks on this. 16:15:59 location ? 16:16:22 I don't want to do every other release, but I would like to pitch the idea of occasionally having an international midcycle. 16:16:38 Wondering if we can pull together something in Europe in Jan or Feb? 16:16:42 hemna: Maybe Europe for the first time? Hey, geguileo, Spain is great! 16:16:54 I think that would limit the folks that would be able to go 16:16:58 smcginnis: I think that's a good idea, BUT is Jan/Feb in Europe a good idea :) 16:17:01 smcginnis: +1 for Europe 16:17:03 I know Dell, IBM, and HP all have offices in Ireland. 16:17:05 dulek: It is, but I think N is in Barcelona already... 16:17:11 smcginnis, wants DeMC to pay for his european vacation. 16:17:21 smcginnis: unless you do like south of france or spain or greece etc 16:17:22 jgriffith: Hey, I'm in MN. Anywhere is better in Jan/Feb. :) 16:17:22 :) 16:17:30 Greece? really? 16:17:35 have you seen Greece lately? 16:17:35 smcginnis: LOL... I forgot it's all about perspective 16:17:36 smcginnis: :-) 16:17:43 Spain or southern France would be nice. Italy? 16:17:49 hemna: no... I was just commenting on winter weather 16:17:56 I was thinking Ireland since it's not as expensive as some other options. 16:17:57 Grenoble 16:18:11 Should go south of the equator, like Chile 16:18:12 smcginnis: Yeah, Ireland was on my list, then I thought "jan/feb" :( 16:18:18 I can probably propose Gdansk in Poland, but it's a little cold in Jan/Feb. 16:18:20 Ireland is much nicer in summer... 16:18:20 I'll let DuncanT tell me if I'm mistaken 16:18:22 smcginnis: Less expensive is good. 16:18:22 I think every currency is doing well against the drachma. 16:18:34 Jamaica? :) 16:18:41 smcginnis: Some companies may still be reeling from the cost of Japan. 16:18:48 jungleboyj, +1 16:18:49 jungleboyj: Good point. 16:18:51 Oh now this is turning into a boondoggle. 16:18:52 LOL... BOOON-DOGle 16:19:01 jungleboyj: jinx 16:19:05 Ireland in Jan/Feb is wet even by Irish standards 16:19:08 lol 16:19:11 jgriffith: That is scary. 16:19:12 jungleboyj, some companies are spending a lot of money on sudden expenses. 16:19:19 jungleboyj: watch it!!! :) 16:19:24 smcginnis: are you going to cover my travel cost?:) 16:19:25 Why don't we have an etherpad with propositions? Then smcginnis will filter them and create a poll. 16:19:29 Hawaii 16:19:29 We can use that to tell our bosses it's not a boondoggle. :) 16:19:30 :-) 16:19:37 xyang1: :D 16:19:40 Somewhere warm 16:19:43 :) 16:19:45 To be serious for a second... 16:19:55 dulek: Good idea. 16:20:06 We should consider the fact that we typically have folks travel internationally to attend mid-cycles in the states 16:20:19 jgriffith: Good point. 16:20:22 jgriffith: +1 16:20:25 It would be good if we could sometime trade off 16:20:34 jgriffith: Exactly! 16:20:36 jgriffith: +lots 16:20:38 and I think there are a number of folks that can't travel to the states that CAN travel to Europe 16:20:42 it would be good. 16:20:54 jgriffith: +1 16:20:56 I doubt we'd be able to make it fwiw 16:21:01 We're still very US centric, so probably not every time, but at least something like one out of four would be nice. 16:21:08 hemna: No HP? 16:21:10 smcginnis: If we are going this road we need to plan sooner than later. 16:21:11 Summer in Europe is generally nicer travel time though, and far less nuts temperature wise than much of the US 16:21:24 jungleboyj: Yeah, that's why I'm brining it up now. 16:21:24 smcginnis, I think it would be very tough for us to make it. 16:21:36 so maybe during N? 16:21:40 smcginnis: ++ 16:21:43 hemna: That's the one thing I want to avoid. 16:21:59 I can float it w/ my mgrs now 16:22:06 Perhaps a separate poll on likelihood of attending in Europe. 16:22:06 * e0ne dreams about midcycle in Alps 16:22:10 jgriffith: For N would be good so we could plan further ahead. 16:22:13 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle 16:22:20 e0ne: ++ 16:22:20 For now, if folks could put ideas in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle 16:22:30 jungleboyj: +1 16:22:31 Let's see what kind of feedback we get. 16:22:35 Split the difference (and make life hell for those in asia) and do do Iceland. 16:22:39 We also need host companies to volunteer 16:22:54 I'd love another trip to Europe though :) 16:23:51 OK, if folks with international offices could also not that in the etherpad, let's list potential places. 16:23:57 Israel would be nice, but it's a bit stabby here at the moment 16:24:09 Then we'll need to have some discussion to see who would be negatively impacted by it. 16:24:30 Maybe we defer it to later release, but I'd like to do it soonish. 16:24:34 DuncanT: That doesn't sound good. 16:24:44 DuncanT: terrible pun 16:24:50 DuncanT: little too close to reality 16:24:59 DuncanT, lol 16:25:18 DuncanT: Not so kaboomy right now? 16:25:19 jgriffith: Far too close to reality, if I'm honest 16:25:35 the location should have working wifi 16:25:42 I've been watching the news.... I'd go back to Ireland if I were you 16:25:42 jungleboyj: No. Knives, screwdrivers, an axe and a few ram raids 16:25:45 kmartin: groooan 16:26:03 fwiw, since there is always one international summit per year... companies will always be either still "getting over the cost" or "getting prepared for the cost". I would suggest making your decision decoupled from the Tokyo expense. 16:26:11 Ireland+1 16:26:16 shamail: Another good point. 16:26:22 DuncanT: :-( 16:26:34 shamail, I'll tell my managers and cost centers you mentioned that. I'm sure it'll help. 16:26:55 #topic Open Discussion 16:26:56 hemna: :D 16:26:59 Ireland does seem like a reasonable location. 16:27:00 Let's move on for now. 16:27:23 yes please :) 16:27:26 how hard is to get Ireland visa? 16:27:32 My preference would be Ireland, both for cost and I know we have some companies that are good options to host there. 16:27:46 But anyway... 16:28:05 Ireland would be cool 16:28:19 * mriedem checks the clock 16:28:21 They have beer ? 16:28:24 US Government that enables Irish and US citizens to work and travel in each other's countries for up to 12 months. 16:28:32 hemna: Guiness!!! 16:28:50 Never been there, but I feel like I would fit in in Ireland, being ginger. 16:28:50 Talking about beer… 16:28:56 hemna: You are such a kidder. 16:28:57 Shouldn't we meet for a beer in Tokio? 16:29:03 I came in late. Are we planning to have the mid cycle in Ireland? :) 16:29:03 dulek: Oh yeah 16:29:08 dulek: Sake 16:29:10 dulek: +2 16:29:10 That was the other thing I wanted to bring up 16:29:18 jungleboyj, :P 16:29:26 e0ne: the real thing, not what they sell under that name here 16:29:27 I'd like to arrange another Cinder get together in Tokyo if we can. 16:29:39 Love how this group gets on beer and traveling and can't get off. 16:29:42 That was fun in Vancouver. 16:29:47 jungleboyj: ;) 16:29:50 smcginnis: ++ 16:29:59 tbarron: yep, I know that the real Guiness is only in Dublin 16:30:06 smcginnis, +1 16:30:06 I haven't seen any conflicts Monday night yet. 16:30:19 Should we try to meet up somewhere Monday evening? 16:30:27 smcginnis: Ninja school? 16:30:31 smcginnis, we usually get together on Friday night during the summits 16:30:31 is everyone buying Katana's while they are out there? 16:30:50 smcginnis: Monday would be good. I have to be gone Friday night. 16:30:53 monday night works for me 16:30:58 smcginnis: I have a conflict Monday night 16:31:06 Monday works 16:31:07 smcginnis: There's Woman Of OpenStack event on Monday 16:31:07 and Thurs night... possibly Wed night 16:31:15 dulek: Oh yeah. 16:31:19 but that's ok... I can have two dinners :) 16:31:21 jgriffith: :) 16:31:28 Have there been notes about other events? I think the core event is Tuesday? 16:31:45 jungleboyj: That and the HP party are the only ones I have set. 16:31:57 When is the HP party? 16:32:05 There's an HP etc party one night, and the core party, dunno of any others (please let me know if there are) 16:32:27 HP party Wednesday night. 16:32:28 DuncanT: Isn't core party on Monday? 16:32:34 HP Event Wednesday Oct 28th 7pm 16:32:34 dulek: Tuesday. 16:32:35 Tuesday 16:32:41 This is a productive meeting :) 16:32:41 "If a ticket becomes available, you will be contacted automatically with further instructions on how to purchase your ticket. No further action is required." :( 16:32:50 jgriffith: I've lost control. 16:32:51 ^^ it's about cores' party 16:32:55 LOL 16:33:08 PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 16:33:24 Anyone have any real issues to talk about? 16:33:25 So probably Thursday evening is free? 16:33:34 e0ne: you couldn't get ticket to core party? 16:33:49 smcginnis: kilo backports? 16:33:54 xyang1: yep:(. I'm in a waiting list 16:34:00 Thursday is good 16:34:08 Monday-Woman Of OpenStack event, Tuesday-Core teams party, Wednesday-HP&Scality… 16:34:10 Thursday could work too. 16:34:17 tbarron: Sure, go ahead. 16:34:27 Monday is kinda nice to get us all together before things start 16:34:32 blocking issues for kilo backports are cleared, right? 16:34:34 dulek: Oh, thanks for the reminder on Women of Openstack. 16:34:43 Monday and Thursday. :) 16:34:44 but it is going to security only real soon now? 16:34:48 No reason we can only meet up once. 16:35:05 tbarron: Yes, as soon as L is officially cut, Kilo will be security only fixes. 16:35:17 Oh, I did have a topic. 16:35:23 If anyone has anything that they think should make it into Kilo before then, now's the time. 16:35:32 So, we have several Kilo patches that are close to going in. 16:35:37 Should I +A them? 16:35:51 jungleboyj: that's what I'm asking :-) 16:35:59 jungleboyj: If they meet the guidelines and are ready, yes, I think so. 16:36:04 jungleboyj: Now or never. :) 16:36:15 smcginnis: Ok, I will do that today. 16:36:21 i've got a handful of kilo patches struggling with jenkins/the gate problems the last couple of days, shameless plug: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:stable/kilo+topic:multipath-iscsi-cleanup,n,z 16:36:21 I was just looking at those. 16:36:26 jungleboyj: Thank you. 16:36:34 patrickeast: Are those depency issues? 16:36:36 all but one already were +A'ed at some point 16:36:41 jungleboyj: thanks! 16:36:55 patrickeast: and tbarron ping me if I miss anything. 16:37:00 note that the notifications related py27 failure has been fixed in master (as far as i can tell) but will still hit stable/kilo 16:37:06 i just saw it on one of patrickeast's patches 16:37:18 eharney: Ah, good to know. 16:37:19 smcginnis: they are in a chain as dependencies only to avoid merge conflicts 16:39:18 Anything else? 16:40:03 OK, let's move the beer, er, I mean meetup discussion over the #cinder. 16:40:12 XD 16:40:13 Thanks everyone. 16:40:14 Haha 16:40:17 Thanks! 16:40:24 you're welcome 16:40:24 #endmeeting