16:00:27 <smcginnis> #startmeeting Cinder 16:00:27 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Nov 4 16:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:29 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:31 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' 16:00:49 <DuncanT> Hi 16:00:53 <smcginnis> Hey everyone. Hopefully folks are here despite the US time change. 16:00:55 <tbarron> hi 16:00:57 <xyang1> hi 16:01:00 <patrickeast> Hi 16:01:00 <pots1> hi 16:01:00 <jgregor> Hello! 16:01:00 <diablo_rojo> Hello :) 16:01:02 <dulek> Hi! 16:01:06 <flip214> hi 16:01:18 <dulek> Looks like this is going to be a short meeting. ;) 16:01:20 <ntpttr> hi 16:01:22 <kmartin> hello, see how many people forget due to day light savings 16:01:34 <scottda> hi 16:01:38 <smcginnis> dulek: That rarely seems to actually end up that way, but we can hope. ;) 16:01:49 <smcginnis> #topic Announcements 16:02:11 <smcginnis> First of all, thanks to everyone for the great work at the summit. 16:02:17 <smcginnis> I felt it was productive. 16:02:27 <sgundur> hi 16:02:38 * bswartz lurks 16:02:55 <smcginnis> And a reminder for those that were not able to attend, we were able to stream and capture all design summit sessions on our new YouTube channel: 16:02:58 <smcginnis> #link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ8Koy4gsISMy0qW3CWZmaQ 16:03:15 <smcginnis> Big kudos to hemnafk for managing all of that. 16:03:41 <smcginnis> I have a summary email mostly written up that I will hopefully be posting to the ML soon. 16:03:45 <e0ne> hi 16:03:49 <diablo_rojo> Also thank you for the live streams hemnafk :) 16:04:05 <smcginnis> We're all famous now. :) 16:04:22 <smcginnis> #topic Mitaka Deadlines 16:04:35 <smcginnis> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078215.html 16:04:54 <smcginnis> Based on our discussion at the Summit I have sent out new deadlines for this release. 16:05:07 <smcginnis> Please take a look and let me know if you see any issue with this. 16:05:15 <smcginnis> It will hopefully simplify things somewhat. 16:05:33 <e0ne> smcginnis: thanks for the detailed description 16:05:50 <smcginnis> e0ne: Thanks! 16:05:59 <smcginnis> So we have a little more time for new drivers. 16:06:03 <e0ne> smcginnis: I believe, it will help both us (cinder community) and vendors 16:06:07 <kmartin> smcginnis, looks good 16:06:21 <smcginnis> Let's not be typical engineers and consume all that time because we have it though. ;) 16:06:31 <smcginnis> There are several driver reviews out there right now. 16:06:44 <smcginnis> If you have the cycles, please try to provide feedback early. 16:06:48 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/241174 Open vStorage 16:06:48 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/158745 Nexenta Edge 16:06:48 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/188877 Nexenta iSCSI and NFS 16:06:48 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/201500 Fujitsu 16:06:48 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/202440 Daewoo YeeSan 16:06:50 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/190273 NexentaStor 5 NFS 16:06:53 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/190391 NexentaStor 5 iSCSI 16:06:53 <e0ne> smcginnis: are those drivers with CI? 16:06:55 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/205365 Huawei FusionStorage 16:07:04 <smcginnis> e0ne: Not all of them yet. Unfortunately. 16:07:08 <e0ne> :( 16:07:21 <smcginnis> I have heard from a few of them that they are actively working on it. 16:07:31 <smcginnis> I'm being optimistic. 16:07:46 <e0ne> anyway, early feedback will be useful 16:07:58 <smcginnis> This would also be a good time for folks to take a look at some of the submitted specs. 16:08:00 <xyang1> smcginnis: you have a note for client change, how much earlier do the server side needs to be merged before the client side 16:08:09 <e0ne> I'll start review them tomorrow morning 16:08:19 <smcginnis> It would be great to have feedback on those earlier as well so we don't have a crunch towards the end. 16:08:35 <smcginnis> xyang1: I didn't set a specific time. 16:08:42 <smcginnis> xyang1: I think it depends on the change. 16:08:54 <smcginnis> xyang1: I just wanted to point it out to make sure folks think about it. 16:08:57 <e0ne> xyang1: IMO, we can't set strict rules for such things 16:09:16 <smcginnis> We tend to focus on the server side and do the client change as an after thought in a lot of cases. 16:09:29 <xyang1> smcginnis: sure, sometimes things won't be merged if there is no deadline, but I see your point:) 16:09:53 <smcginnis> xyang1: Yeah, I agree. I just didn't want to set another arbitrary deadline. 16:09:57 <kmartin> review the ones with working CI first the others should probably be -1 or -2 until CI is up? 16:09:57 <smcginnis> We'll see how it goes. 16:10:06 <xyang1> smcginnis: sure 16:10:28 <smcginnis> kmartin: I agree on order. Not sure I want to -2 yet. Just cores - make sure you are checking before giving any +2's. 16:10:48 <smcginnis> kmartin: But definitely if they have CI, we should give them priority. 16:11:20 <smcginnis> So driver reviews and spec reviews - I guess my main theme for today is: Go forth and review. :) 16:12:08 <smcginnis> #info Give new drivers with CI review priority 16:12:25 <smcginnis> #info Try to get early feedback on all driver and spec reviews 16:12:35 <smcginnis> #topic Open Discussion 16:12:44 <smcginnis> That's all I had. The floor is open. 16:13:03 <diablo_rojo> When will the decision about the midcycle get made? 16:13:25 <scottda> DuncanT: Do you have a link for the survey for the midcycle? 16:13:46 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo: DuncanT has agreed to send out another survey to help finalize the decision. 16:13:57 <smcginnis> We have a few dates and locations in mind. 16:14:03 <xyang1> smcginnis: are dates finalized? 16:14:08 <smcginnis> Based on the results of the survey we will try to lock it down soon. 16:14:22 <smcginnis> xyang1: Just general potential dates. 16:14:25 * bswartz is betting that a bunch of folks will turn up in 45 minutes and wonder where the cinder meeting is 16:14:28 <kmartin> I think a few dates were listed on the etherpad 16:14:32 <delattec> smcginnis: would it be possible to get some eyes on https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1501855 from an operators standpoint this is going to hit anyone that has more than one volume type 16:14:32 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1501855 in Cinder "cinder volume transfer does not update quotas for volume types" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Deepti Ramakrishna (dramakri) 16:14:32 <diablo_rojo> smcginnis: DuncanT Awesome :) The sooner the better. 16:14:40 <smcginnis> xyang1: I think we're still thinking 3rd or 4th week in Jan or first week in Feb. 16:14:44 <scottda> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle 16:14:46 <smcginnis> bswartz: :D 16:15:12 <DuncanT> Survey will be out at the close of the meeting, just wanted to give folks a last chance to make/withdraw offers 16:15:14 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle 16:15:16 <smcginnis> scottda: Thanks! 16:15:28 <smcginnis> delattec: Will do. Thanks for raising it here. 16:15:47 <bswartz> this week of january has a conflict with M-2 16:15:52 <bswartz> s/this/third/ 16:15:53 <bswartz> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule 16:16:02 <dulek> smcginnis: Have you seen dhellmann's post on release notes on the ML? I need a RN to get my grenade patch solved, so I'll take care of ARs there for Cinder. :) 16:16:15 <dulek> smcginnis: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html - talking about this one. 16:16:27 <smcginnis> bswartz: Yeah. Should be OK though. 16:16:37 <smcginnis> dulek: No, I hadn't noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out. 16:17:13 <dulek> An BTW - who's our release liaison actually? 16:17:23 <smcginnis> dulek: Me for now. 16:17:24 <bswartz> smcginnis: you announced a bunch of deadlines on the ML happening that week (Jan 19-21) 16:18:11 <smcginnis> bswartz: True. Might be better not to have it the week before so we aren't distracted as everyone tries to last minute cram their stuff in. 16:18:24 <smcginnis> bswartz: Thanks for highlighting that. 16:18:44 <bswartz> yeah I expect there to be a flurry of activity right before the deadline 16:18:55 <xyang1> smcginnis: if midcycle happens at the same week where we are supposed to do lots of reviews and merge stuff, it will have an impact 16:19:35 <scottda> Or could some midcycle time be better spend doing lots of reviews and merging stuff? 16:19:55 <scottda> We could cut out some bikeshedding and rat-holing to make up for it. 16:20:02 <smcginnis> xyang1: scottda: Yeah could do review day. ;) 16:20:07 <bswartz> that's how we spent Friday at the summer meetup 16:20:11 <Swanson> hi. Outlook can't handle timezones. 16:20:33 <bswartz> Swanson: it can -- there is a button called "show timezones" 16:20:41 <smcginnis> Or we could all super pair program with jgriffith again. :D 16:20:56 <diablo_rojo> smcginnis: +1 16:21:13 <smcginnis> So I think we're fine with the proposed midcycle dates. 16:21:23 <Swanson> bswartz, you say that but it doesn't actually work. 16:21:29 <smcginnis> The deadline I set is Jan 19. 16:21:44 <smcginnis> And our dates are after that for the most part. 16:21:54 <smcginnis> So hopefully the crunch is behind us at that point. 16:22:07 <smcginnis> But maybe better not to do it that first week listed in the etherpad. 16:22:08 <bswartz> Swanson: I've been using time zones in Outlook for 5 years and never had a problem -- maybe you're using a broken version 16:22:17 <smcginnis> Swanson: Worked fine for me. 16:22:39 <smcginnis> bswartz: He has Outlook 2003 16:22:42 <smcginnis> :P 16:22:44 <bswartz> !!! 16:22:45 <openstack> bswartz: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. 16:22:51 <smcginnis> kidding 16:22:57 * bswartz slaps openstack around a bit with a large trout 16:23:08 <smcginnis> Don't upset the all seeing bot! 16:23:24 <smcginnis> OK, anything else? 16:23:37 <xyang1> I remember thingee set up google hangout to review 2nd milestone targets after the meetup, but no one showed up 16:24:03 <smcginnis> xyang1: I don't recall that. Guess that's why I didn't show up. :) 16:24:11 <xyang1> :) 16:24:16 <smcginnis> xyang1: We could look at trying that again if needed. 16:24:30 <smcginnis> xyang1: I'm liking the hangout meetings, especially now that we can live stream them. 16:24:39 <xyang1> people are usually busy with other things right after travel 16:25:08 <smcginnis> Maybe a couple weeks out would work better. Let things settle. 16:26:03 <smcginnis> Alright, think we can have some time back. 16:26:18 <smcginnis> Any other topics come up, let's just discuss in channel. 16:26:21 <smcginnis> Thanks everyone. 16:26:24 <bswartz> thanks 16:26:26 <smcginnis> #endmeeting