16:00:27 <smcginnis> #startmeeting Cinder
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16:00:49 <DuncanT> Hi
16:00:53 <smcginnis> Hey everyone. Hopefully folks are here despite the US time change.
16:00:55 <tbarron> hi
16:00:57 <xyang1> hi
16:01:00 <patrickeast> Hi
16:01:00 <pots1> hi
16:01:00 <jgregor> Hello!
16:01:00 <diablo_rojo> Hello :)
16:01:02 <dulek> Hi!
16:01:06 <flip214> hi
16:01:18 <dulek> Looks like this is going to be a short meeting. ;)
16:01:20 <ntpttr> hi
16:01:22 <kmartin> hello, see how many people forget due to day light savings
16:01:34 <scottda> hi
16:01:38 <smcginnis> dulek: That rarely seems to actually end up that way, but we can hope. ;)
16:01:49 <smcginnis> #topic Announcements
16:02:11 <smcginnis> First of all, thanks to everyone for the great work at the summit.
16:02:17 <smcginnis> I felt it was productive.
16:02:27 <sgundur> hi
16:02:38 * bswartz lurks
16:02:55 <smcginnis> And a reminder for those that were not able to attend, we were able to stream and capture all design summit sessions on our new YouTube channel:
16:02:58 <smcginnis> #link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ8Koy4gsISMy0qW3CWZmaQ
16:03:15 <smcginnis> Big kudos to hemnafk for managing all of that.
16:03:41 <smcginnis> I have a summary email mostly written up that I will hopefully be posting to the ML soon.
16:03:45 <e0ne> hi
16:03:49 <diablo_rojo> Also thank you for the live streams hemnafk :)
16:04:05 <smcginnis> We're all famous now. :)
16:04:22 <smcginnis> #topic Mitaka Deadlines
16:04:35 <smcginnis> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078215.html
16:04:54 <smcginnis> Based on our discussion at the Summit I have sent out new deadlines for this release.
16:05:07 <smcginnis> Please take a look and let me know if you see any issue with this.
16:05:15 <smcginnis> It will hopefully simplify things somewhat.
16:05:33 <e0ne> smcginnis: thanks for the detailed description
16:05:50 <smcginnis> e0ne: Thanks!
16:05:59 <smcginnis> So we have a little more time for new drivers.
16:06:03 <e0ne> smcginnis: I believe, it will help both us (cinder community) and vendors
16:06:07 <kmartin> smcginnis, looks good
16:06:21 <smcginnis> Let's not be typical engineers and consume all that time because we have it though. ;)
16:06:31 <smcginnis> There are several driver reviews out there right now.
16:06:44 <smcginnis> If you have the cycles, please try to provide feedback early.
16:06:48 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/241174 Open vStorage
16:06:48 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/158745 Nexenta Edge
16:06:48 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/188877 Nexenta iSCSI and NFS
16:06:48 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/201500 Fujitsu
16:06:48 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/202440 Daewoo YeeSan
16:06:50 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/190273 NexentaStor 5 NFS
16:06:53 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/190391 NexentaStor 5 iSCSI
16:06:53 <e0ne> smcginnis: are those drivers with CI?
16:06:55 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/205365 Huawei FusionStorage
16:07:04 <smcginnis> e0ne: Not all of them yet. Unfortunately.
16:07:08 <e0ne> :(
16:07:21 <smcginnis> I have heard from a few of them that they are actively working on it.
16:07:31 <smcginnis> I'm being optimistic.
16:07:46 <e0ne> anyway, early feedback will be useful
16:07:58 <smcginnis> This would also be a good time for folks to take a look at some of the submitted specs.
16:08:00 <xyang1> smcginnis: you have a note for client change, how much earlier do the server side needs to be merged before the client side
16:08:09 <e0ne> I'll start review them tomorrow morning
16:08:19 <smcginnis> It would be great to have feedback on those earlier as well so we don't have a crunch towards the end.
16:08:35 <smcginnis> xyang1: I didn't set a specific time.
16:08:42 <smcginnis> xyang1: I think it depends on the change.
16:08:54 <smcginnis> xyang1: I just wanted to point it out to make sure folks think about it.
16:08:57 <e0ne> xyang1: IMO, we can't set strict rules for such things
16:09:16 <smcginnis> We tend to focus on the server side and do the client change as an after thought in a lot of cases.
16:09:29 <xyang1> smcginnis: sure, sometimes things won't be merged if there is no deadline, but I see your point:)
16:09:53 <smcginnis> xyang1: Yeah, I agree. I just didn't want to set another arbitrary deadline.
16:09:57 <kmartin> review the ones with working CI first the others should probably be -1 or -2 until CI is up?
16:09:57 <smcginnis> We'll see how it goes.
16:10:06 <xyang1> smcginnis: sure
16:10:28 <smcginnis> kmartin: I agree on order. Not sure I want to -2 yet. Just cores - make sure you are checking before giving any +2's.
16:10:48 <smcginnis> kmartin: But definitely if they have CI, we should give them priority.
16:11:20 <smcginnis> So driver reviews and spec reviews - I guess my main theme for today is: Go forth and review. :)
16:12:08 <smcginnis> #info Give new drivers with CI review priority
16:12:25 <smcginnis> #info Try to get early feedback on all driver and spec reviews
16:12:35 <smcginnis> #topic Open Discussion
16:12:44 <smcginnis> That's all I had. The floor is open.
16:13:03 <diablo_rojo> When will the decision about the midcycle get made?
16:13:25 <scottda> DuncanT: Do you have a link for the survey for the midcycle?
16:13:46 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo: DuncanT has agreed to send out another survey to help finalize the decision.
16:13:57 <smcginnis> We have a few dates and locations in mind.
16:14:03 <xyang1> smcginnis: are dates finalized?
16:14:08 <smcginnis> Based on the results of the survey we will try to lock it down soon.
16:14:22 <smcginnis> xyang1: Just general potential dates.
16:14:25 * bswartz is betting that a bunch of folks will turn up in 45 minutes and wonder where the cinder meeting is
16:14:28 <kmartin> I think a few dates were listed on the etherpad
16:14:32 <delattec> smcginnis: would it be possible to get some eyes on https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1501855  from an operators standpoint this is going to hit anyone that has more than one volume type
16:14:32 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1501855 in Cinder "cinder volume transfer does not update quotas for volume types" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Deepti Ramakrishna (dramakri)
16:14:32 <diablo_rojo> smcginnis: DuncanT Awesome :) The sooner the better.
16:14:40 <smcginnis> xyang1: I think we're still thinking 3rd or 4th week in Jan or first week in Feb.
16:14:44 <scottda> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle
16:14:46 <smcginnis> bswartz: :D
16:15:12 <DuncanT> Survey will be out at the close of the meeting, just wanted to give folks a last chance to make/withdraw offers
16:15:14 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle
16:15:16 <smcginnis> scottda: Thanks!
16:15:28 <smcginnis> delattec: Will do. Thanks for raising it here.
16:15:47 <bswartz> this week of january has a conflict with M-2
16:15:52 <bswartz> s/this/third/
16:15:53 <bswartz> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule
16:16:02 <dulek> smcginnis: Have you seen dhellmann's post on release notes on the ML? I need a RN to get my grenade patch solved, so I'll take care of ARs there for Cinder. :)
16:16:15 <dulek> smcginnis: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html - talking about this one.
16:16:27 <smcginnis> bswartz: Yeah. Should be OK though.
16:16:37 <smcginnis> dulek: No, I hadn't noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out.
16:17:13 <dulek> An BTW - who's our release liaison actually?
16:17:23 <smcginnis> dulek: Me for now.
16:17:24 <bswartz> smcginnis: you announced a bunch of deadlines on the ML happening that week (Jan 19-21)
16:18:11 <smcginnis> bswartz: True. Might be better not to have it the week before so we aren't distracted as everyone tries to last minute cram their stuff in.
16:18:24 <smcginnis> bswartz: Thanks for highlighting that.
16:18:44 <bswartz> yeah I expect there to be a flurry of activity right before the deadline
16:18:55 <xyang1> smcginnis: if midcycle happens at the same week where we are supposed to do lots of reviews and merge stuff, it will have an impact
16:19:35 <scottda> Or could some midcycle time be better spend doing lots of reviews and merging stuff?
16:19:55 <scottda> We could cut out some bikeshedding and rat-holing to make up for it.
16:20:02 <smcginnis> xyang1: scottda: Yeah could do review day. ;)
16:20:07 <bswartz> that's how we spent Friday at the summer meetup
16:20:11 <Swanson> hi.  Outlook can't handle timezones.
16:20:33 <bswartz> Swanson: it can -- there is a button called "show timezones"
16:20:41 <smcginnis> Or we could all super pair program with jgriffith again. :D
16:20:56 <diablo_rojo> smcginnis: +1
16:21:13 <smcginnis> So I think we're fine with the proposed midcycle dates.
16:21:23 <Swanson> bswartz, you say that but it doesn't actually work.
16:21:29 <smcginnis> The deadline I set is Jan 19.
16:21:44 <smcginnis> And our dates are after that for the most part.
16:21:54 <smcginnis> So hopefully the crunch is behind us at that point.
16:22:07 <smcginnis> But maybe better not to do it that first week listed in the etherpad.
16:22:08 <bswartz> Swanson: I've been using time zones in Outlook for 5 years and never had a problem -- maybe you're using a broken version
16:22:17 <smcginnis> Swanson: Worked fine for me.
16:22:39 <smcginnis> bswartz: He has Outlook 2003
16:22:42 <smcginnis> :P
16:22:44 <bswartz> !!!
16:22:45 <openstack> bswartz: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
16:22:51 <smcginnis> kidding
16:22:57 * bswartz slaps openstack around a bit with a large trout
16:23:08 <smcginnis> Don't upset the all seeing bot!
16:23:24 <smcginnis> OK, anything else?
16:23:37 <xyang1> I remember thingee set up google hangout to review 2nd milestone targets after the meetup, but no one showed up
16:24:03 <smcginnis> xyang1: I don't recall that. Guess that's why I didn't show up. :)
16:24:11 <xyang1> :)
16:24:16 <smcginnis> xyang1: We could look at trying that again if needed.
16:24:30 <smcginnis> xyang1: I'm liking the hangout meetings, especially now that we can live stream them.
16:24:39 <xyang1> people are usually busy with other things right after travel
16:25:08 <smcginnis> Maybe a couple weeks out would work better. Let things settle.
16:26:03 <smcginnis> Alright, think we can have some time back.
16:26:18 <smcginnis> Any other topics come up, let's just discuss in channel.
16:26:21 <smcginnis> Thanks everyone.
16:26:24 <bswartz> thanks
16:26:26 <smcginnis> #endmeeting