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16:00:11 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'cinder'
16:00:15 <geguileo> Hi!
16:00:16 <eharney> hi
16:00:16 <smcginnis> Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting
16:00:22 <kmartin> hi
16:00:22 <adrianofr> hi
16:00:25 <jgregor> Howdy
16:00:25 <fernnest> hi
16:00:26 <smcginnis> Courtesy ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir
16:00:26 <scottda> hola
16:00:27 <baumann1> Hello!
16:00:30 <e0ne> hi
16:00:32 <geguileo> smcginnis: thanks
16:00:32 <xyang> hi
16:00:34 <aimeeu> hi all
16:00:38 <jungleboyj> Happy Wednesday!
16:00:41 <rajinir> hi
16:00:41 <ntpttr_> hi!
16:00:48 <diablo_rojo> Hello :)
16:01:01 <hemna> yough
16:01:05 <smcginnis> Hey everyone. Looks like a short agenda today.
16:01:09 * smcginnis crosses fingers
16:01:10 <yuriy_n17> Hi
16:01:24 <Swanson> Hello
16:01:27 <smcginnis> #topic Announcements
16:01:38 * thingee has a doc appt today. gave update on action stuff in #openstack-cinder
16:01:44 <cFouts> hi
16:01:48 <sheel> hi
16:01:55 <smcginnis> thingee: Thanks!
16:02:05 <e0ne> according to the agenda, it should it a fast meeting, I guess
16:02:11 <tbarron> hi
16:02:17 <smcginnis> We are now on week R-21 of the Newton cycle.
16:02:27 <smcginnis> #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html Release schedule
16:02:36 <smcginnis> Good progress so far I think.
16:02:43 <mtanino> hi
16:02:47 <smcginnis> I've been seeing a lot of spec reviews. Keep it up.
16:03:03 <smcginnis> Great to get eyes on those so we can get them updated and approved earlier.
16:03:20 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Spec reviews
16:03:23 <e0ne> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking
16:03:25 <e0ne> :)
16:03:27 <smcginnis> ;)
16:03:44 <smcginnis> And just a mention...
16:03:49 <smcginnis> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW&field.tag=volumes Nova volume bugs
16:04:00 <smcginnis> They can always use help triaging and fixing there.
16:04:31 <smcginnis> In case anyone missed it, midcycle was (re)set last week.
16:04:55 <smcginnis> We are now overlapping with Nova, for better or worse.
16:05:01 <hemna> smcginnis, probably should update the ML thread ?
16:05:06 <smcginnis> We should be able to do a midcycle-to-midcycle link.
16:05:16 <smcginnis> hemna: Trying to look that up and type at the same time. ;)
16:05:32 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle Etherpad
16:06:02 <hemna> :)
16:06:03 <smcginnis> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093637.html Midcycle Announcement
16:06:08 <scottda> There are discounted rooms available, but there is not a block of rooms reserved, so book now!
16:06:23 <smcginnis> scottda: Thanks for the reminder. I still need to do that.
16:06:42 <smcginnis> Any other announcements I've missed?
16:06:49 <hemna> maybe I'll just bring a tent and camp at estes Park and commute every day to save on hotel.....
16:06:51 <hemna> :P
16:06:57 <smcginnis> hemna: That sounds good to me.
16:07:01 <scottda> Also, if you call any other hotel than the one listed, feel free to mention you are with Hewlett-Packard and you might get a discount.
16:07:07 <smcginnis> Did that following the last midcycle there.
16:07:14 <hemna> yah works for me
16:07:36 <smcginnis> #topic Open Discussion
16:08:07 <hemna> I've been seeing lots of CI failures in os-brick CIs
16:08:08 <Swanson> Is tbarron done forcing 10k rebases?
16:08:13 <hemna> EMC, HP, etc
16:08:15 <smcginnis> thingee is working on this, but want to just mention again here that we discussed requiring CI for backup drivers.
16:08:26 <smcginnis> hemna: Specifically on OS-brick?
16:08:28 <hemna> would be nice if we can get those CI's working so we can get some of the os-brick patches to land
16:08:41 <e0ne> smcginnis: +2 on CI for backup drivers
16:08:43 <tbarron> Swanson: done
16:08:48 <smcginnis> CI's on the Cinder repo aren't doing so hot either.
16:08:50 <hemna> dunno, might not be specific to os-brick
16:08:54 <xyang> hemna: I’ll take a look of EMC ones
16:09:01 <hemna> xyang, ok thanks
16:09:02 <smcginnis> #info CI will become a requirement for backup drivers
16:09:09 <hemna> I tried issuing rechecks on them this morning
16:09:22 <smcginnis> The one issue I see with the backup driver CIs is we really don't have much tempest coverage there right now.
16:09:38 <tbarron> smcginnis: do we know what tests we are going to run for backup CI?
16:09:38 <smcginnis> So if someone is looking for something to do, I think our test coverage could be expanded on backups.
16:09:40 <Swanson> tbarron: Excellent. Appreciated and hated all at the same time.
16:09:48 <smcginnis> tbarron: So far I think we only have two.
16:10:11 <e0ne> smcginnis: I'll ask our QA team for it.  maybe they will be able to contribute on it
16:10:18 <smcginnis> tempest.api.volume.admin.test_volumes_backup.VolumesBackupsV[1|2]Test
16:10:20 <tbarron> smcginnis: so I think we should  be looking at benefit vs cost here until we have useful tests
16:10:24 <smcginnis> e0ne: That would be great.
16:10:34 <smcginnis> I haven't looked into the full scope of these tests.
16:10:45 <smcginnis> It could very well be they are covering most operations in the one test.
16:10:54 <smcginnis> But gut feel is there should be more there.
16:11:05 <e0ne> tbarron: we have to test at least what we have right now
16:11:11 <tbarron> also, most of the drivers are non-vendor-specific
16:11:25 <tbarron> so we'll need to arrange with infra to get them run, right?
16:11:27 <geguileo> We should be testing that backuped data is actually there
16:11:32 <e0ne> tbarron: in such case, they could be tested with infra
16:11:55 <smcginnis> tbarron: Yeah, open source solutions should be covered by infra. We will need to look in to that.
16:12:00 <e0ne> geguileo: good point
16:12:23 <smcginnis> Backup with encrypted volumes, incremental backups, etc.
16:12:34 <smcginnis> Any other topics?
16:12:52 <tbarron> my only point is that this will be a difft flavor CI for the most part than volume drivers, where we're mailing vendors to tell them to implement
16:13:11 <smcginnis> tbarron: Yes, true.
16:13:48 <tbarron> except for IBM TSM :)
16:14:13 <smcginnis> Google cloud storage will need it as well.
16:14:18 <jungleboyj> tbarron: What do you mean?
16:15:47 <smcginnis> Anything else?
16:15:57 <smcginnis> Going once...
16:16:03 <smcginnis> Going twice...
16:16:05 <_alastor_> Is there a doc somewhere about this new CI?
16:16:17 <smcginnis> _alastor_: Not yet. It is in the works.
16:16:25 <smcginnis> I just wanted to mention it here so it's no surprise.
16:16:29 <_alastor_> Ok, glad I haven't missed it
16:16:36 <tbarron> jungleboyj: it's the only vendor backup driver, right?
16:16:37 <e0ne> smcginnis: I've just send them a mail about CI
16:16:44 <smcginnis> e0ne: Cool
16:16:58 <e0ne> pleeease, merge https://review.openstack.org/265811 :)
16:17:00 <smcginnis> Oh, one other mention. Please run against os-brick patches as well.
16:17:12 <smcginnis> Especially if you have a vendor specific connector.
16:17:15 <jungleboyj> tbarron: There are other vendor backup drivers.
16:17:40 <xyang> smcginnis: the os-brick CI is not yet required, right?
16:17:41 <tbarron> jungleboyj: i stand corrected then
16:17:47 <e0ne> no updates from April 6th, and it makes my ralated patches chain longer
16:17:50 <smcginnis> xyang: Not yet
16:17:52 <jungleboyj> tbarron:The Google one as well.
16:17:57 <smcginnis> But I think we want to get there too.
16:18:13 <tbarron> jungleboyj: they are just a bit player :-)
16:18:18 <tbarron> jungleboyj: point taken
16:18:22 <smcginnis> Test all the things! :)
16:18:24 <jungleboyj> tbarron: :-)
16:18:26 <xyang> smcginnis: when? Ocata?
16:18:50 <smcginnis> xyang: Yeah, probably. That seems like it would be a reasonable timeframe to me.
16:19:14 <xyang> smcginnis: about the backup driver CI, is the requirement to have one in Newton?
16:19:26 <smcginnis> xyang: TBD.
16:19:32 <e0ne> smcginnis: is this deadline are the same for both for os-brick and backups CIs?
16:19:45 <smcginnis> xyang: I'm thinking since it's a new requirement, we probably can't make it a hard requirement until O.
16:20:00 <smcginnis> e0ne: So probably both O given timing and such.
16:20:02 <xyang> smcginnis: makes sense
16:20:06 <diablo_rojo> smcginnis: Yeah probably not, though ideally as soon as possible :)
16:20:11 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo: +1
16:20:12 <eharney> Newton is going to be hard for people with backup drivers that don't have a volume driver CI yet
16:20:23 <smcginnis> eharney: I agree.
16:20:26 <e0ne> smcginnis: ok. sounds reasonable to me
16:20:47 <smcginnis> So I'd like to see vendors aware of it and working toward it in N so that by O we can make it a hard requirement.
16:21:05 <e0ne> smcginnis: I'll prepare a manual how to set up ci for backups. it should be easy done based on cinder 3rd party ci docs
16:21:24 <smcginnis> e0ne: That would help a lot!
16:21:39 <smcginnis> e0ne: Mike is planning on contact them, so make sure he is aware of anything you write up.
16:21:45 <smcginnis> That could be very useful.
16:22:02 <e0ne> smcginnis: ok, thanks
16:22:06 <smcginnis> Anything else?
16:22:29 <smcginnis> OK, thanks everyone!
16:22:35 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: Thank you!
16:22:42 <smcginnis> #endmeeting