16:00:01 <smcginnis> #startmeeting Cinder
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16:00:05 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'cinder'
16:00:05 <smcginnis> ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l
16:00:10 <e0ne> hi
16:00:12 <eharney> hi
16:00:15 <sheel> hey
16:00:15 <dulek> o/
16:00:17 <scottda> hi
16:00:19 <jgregor> Hello
16:00:19 <jseiler> hi
16:00:19 <geguileo> Hi
16:00:20 <rajinir> o/
16:00:22 <diablo_rojo> Hello :)
16:00:22 <Swanson> hello
16:00:28 <tbarron> hi
16:00:29 <patrickeast> hi
16:00:39 <smcginnis> Hey everyone
16:00:43 <ntpttr_> hi all
16:00:51 <adrianofr> hello
16:00:55 <flip214> hohoho
16:00:58 <smcginnis> #topic Announcements
16:01:20 <jungleboyj> Hello!
16:01:21 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review tracking
16:01:39 <smcginnis> We have a few things there that could use some attention.
16:01:41 <mtanino> hi
16:01:58 <smcginnis> Could I get at least two cores to put your names down for each of the new driver submissions?
16:02:02 <bswartz1> Hi
16:02:07 <smcginnis> Non-cores welcome as well.
16:02:22 <smcginnis> It would be nice to help these and get them out of the way.
16:02:29 <diablo_rojo> smcginnis: I've been trying to keep up with the driver reviews
16:02:41 <smcginnis> I have a feeling a few of them are not going to make it in Newton based on the lack of activity, but we'll see.
16:02:46 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo: Thanks!
16:03:14 <hemna> hi
16:03:17 <_alastor_> hi
16:03:26 <dulek> What's the status of generic volume group blueprint? I see it's not accepted in launchpad.
16:03:38 <smcginnis> Once we get the drivers out of the way, I'm hoping we can just focus on the priorities we've identified for the release.
16:03:52 <smcginnis> dulek: I need to look at the latest update.
16:03:58 <smcginnis> I think the last rev I looked at was pretty close.
16:04:06 <smcginnis> Doesn't look like Xing is here.
16:04:19 <dulek> smcginnis: Ah, okay, it's spec-first, then launchpad bp?
16:04:41 <smcginnis> dulek: Oh, wait. I can approve the bp. Must have just missed that.
16:05:16 <smcginnis> There are a few blueprints marked as Discussion. I wanted to start bringing them up here so we can talk through them and either approve or get rid of.
16:05:35 <smcginnis> But I didn't get the info pulled together, so I'll try to do that for the next meeting.
16:05:57 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle Planning
16:06:03 <smcginnis> Just a reminder for the midcycle.
16:06:13 <smcginnis> If you are going, please add your name there.
16:06:19 <smcginnis> Make sure you book hotel ASAP.
16:06:46 <smcginnis> And whether you are able to attend or not, if you have any topics that should be discussed, please add them to the bottom of the etherpad.
16:07:31 <smcginnis> scottda: Anything to say about the midcycle? Anything we should be aware of or questions on your end for preparing?
16:07:48 <scottda> smcginnis: Nope. We're set with the rooms
16:07:59 <scottda> That's about all I do to prepare :)
16:08:02 <jungleboyj> scottda: How's the wireless?  Do we have google access?
16:08:20 <jungleboyj> ;-)
16:08:25 <scottda> jungleboyj: Good question. Probably will be the same as last time (Google issues)
16:08:35 <smcginnis> :)
16:08:40 <jungleboyj> scottda: You gotta stop spamming google with bad requests.
16:09:07 <diablo_rojo> scottda: Will there be ham sammiches for lunch?
16:09:11 <smcginnis> A little annoying, but we made it work last time.
16:09:24 <scottda> #ban diablo_rojo
16:09:33 <scottda> Hey, is that a real command?
16:09:39 <smcginnis> Just makes you appreciate all the more how much you use Google.
16:09:44 <smcginnis> :)
16:09:56 <diablo_rojo> scottda: I can still talk :P
16:10:00 <smcginnis> scottda: I think so, but / instead of # :)
16:10:15 <smcginnis> OK, one more thing I wanted to bring up.
16:10:21 <scottda> OK, I'll stop messing with such things. Even if diablo_rojo deserves it
16:10:30 <smcginnis> Please take a look at some of the review info:
16:10:38 <smcginnis> #link http://cinderstats-dellstorage.rhcloud.com/cinder-openreviews.html Cinder Reviews
16:10:57 <smcginnis> Specifically, at the botton are a few lists based on the longest time.
16:11:15 <smcginnis> If we could get some attention on some of those that have been sitting out there waiting for a while.
16:11:20 <smcginnis> That would be goodness.
16:12:02 <smcginnis> Seems to be taking a little longer lately for patches to make their way through, so if we can at least get some of the older ones out of the way it would help.
16:12:25 <smcginnis> OK, that's all I had.
16:12:38 <smcginnis> Nothing else on the agenda...
16:12:45 <smcginnis> Any other topics to bring up?
16:13:00 <smcginnis> #topic Open Discussion
16:13:06 <hemna> smcginnis, any idea when we are going to cut clients/libs ?
16:13:07 <DuncanT> There's the list manageable patch
16:13:25 <DuncanT> Could do with eyes from the people who initially objected
16:13:37 <smcginnis> hemna: We got the client recently. We're probably about due for a brick release.
16:13:47 <hemna> smcginnis, yah that's what I'm thinking
16:13:52 <smcginnis> I haven't looked at what's merged since the last one. Anything critical we get out there?
16:13:55 <hemna> we should figure out what we want to get in and when we want to cut it
16:14:04 <smcginnis> hemna: Yeah, good idea.
16:14:06 <hemna> we can do that after the meeting
16:14:12 <smcginnis> DuncanT: Do you have that link handy?
16:14:37 <DuncanT> smcginnis: sorry, no
16:14:37 <smcginnis> e0ne: No need for a brick client release yet, right?
16:15:02 <scottda> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285296 for list manageable
16:15:04 <e0ne> smcginnis: I would like to get merged 2 my patches to os-brick
16:15:20 <hemna> e0ne, which ?
16:15:20 <smcginnis> scottda: Beat me to it!
16:15:46 <hemna> e0ne, nm, I see them
16:15:50 <hemna> e0ne, I'll look at them today
16:15:54 <e0ne> smcginnis: we've got 2 commits since last brickclient release
16:16:16 <e0ne> hemna: thanks! one of them you reviewed already
16:16:18 <smcginnis> e0ne: OK, just let me know when you think it's at the point where it would be useful to do another release.
16:16:38 <e0ne> hemna: the second one is not blocking yet, just cinder's code cleanup
16:16:39 <hemna> it's been a while since the last release
16:16:54 <sheel> e0ne: As we are talking about patches and reviews.. I too want to project API-Ref patch which needs review.. Its blocking other API-Ref patches..
16:17:03 <sheel> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316587/
16:17:15 <hemna> e0ne, HP CI passed, so I approved that one
16:17:22 <e0ne> hemna: thanks
16:17:34 <e0ne> sheel: I'll review it later tonight
16:17:39 <sheel> e0ne: thanks
16:18:06 <e0ne> smcginnis: IMO, we can do release of brick-client now
16:18:06 <smcginnis> Oh, guess I had one other thing. Any object to me blowing away all the old meeting agendas? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings
16:18:17 <smcginnis> e0ne: OK, I'll prep for that.
16:18:22 <flip214> "blowing away" as in "moving to another page"? no.
16:18:27 <e0ne> smcginnis: 1 new feature and 1 UX improvement
16:18:27 <flip214> simply dropping? yes.
16:18:36 <e0ne> hemna: do you agree with me?
16:18:45 <smcginnis> All meetings are captured and logged. I was going to remove the agendas and just link to the archives.
16:18:58 <jgriffith> smcginnis: +1
16:18:59 <smcginnis> flip214: Yep, dropping.
16:19:02 <flip214> because I sometimes need to look up certain discussion points - and that is a quick way to find out which logfile to consult.
16:19:05 <hemna> e0ne, yah
16:19:10 <hemna> e0ne, I'd like to get the rbd stuff in
16:19:11 <diablo_rojo> it would be much cleaner
16:19:18 <eharney> presumably the history will still be in the wiki anyway, right?
16:19:21 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Probably don't care what the agenda was on Aug 21, 2013. ;)
16:19:29 <jgriffith> smcginnis: exactly :)
16:19:31 <smcginnis> eharney: Yeah
16:19:50 <flip214> well, if the wiki can give old revisions, I'm fine with that too.
16:19:55 <e0ne> hemna: I'm all for it. let's wait for eharney and/or jbernard reviews
16:19:56 <DuncanT> flip214: It's a wiki, you can always get to the old revisions
16:19:59 <smcginnis> And with the talk of the wiki going away, not sure any of this is worth migrating somewhere else anyway.
16:20:09 <hemna> e0ne, ok sounds good
16:20:15 <e0ne> eharney: FYI: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326696/
16:20:15 <flip214> "always", ha!  ;)
16:20:21 <hemna> e0ne, anything that eliminates duplicate code, I'm all for
16:20:26 <e0ne> :)
16:20:31 <hemna> e0ne, I still have my lvm work that I need to rebase and get done too.
16:20:41 <DuncanT> flip214: apt-get install git-mediawiki and keep a local copy :-)
16:20:51 <bswartz1> flip214: you can mirror the eavesdrop site and grep the logs too
16:20:59 <e0ne> hemna: I didn't finish all work with RBDConnector yet, but let's do it step by step
16:21:02 <Swanson> (wiki is going away?)
16:21:03 <flip214> both suggestions are OUCH
16:21:11 <smcginnis> Swanson: That's the talk.
16:21:22 <smcginnis> Too much hassle with spammers and security concerns.
16:21:24 <hemna> e0ne, +1
16:21:44 <Swanson> smcginnis, and replacing it with? nothing?
16:22:03 <hemna> smcginnis, :(
16:22:08 <smcginnis> Swanson: TBD. Probably a combination of devref, eavsedrop, and other tools.
16:22:13 <smcginnis> hemna: yep
16:22:14 <hemna> please don't tell me they want to move to etherpad
16:22:20 <smcginnis> Hah
16:22:21 <hemna> etherpad = ass
16:22:26 <bswartz1> Wiki will be replaced with Etherpad, because there are no security or spam issues there...
16:22:34 <hemna> bswartz1, +1
16:22:36 <jgriffith> devref seems like a way better answer... wiki's suck
16:22:36 <smcginnis> That actually was one piece mentioned to replace some of the content.
16:22:43 <smcginnis> bswartz1: :)
16:22:44 <Swanson> it is the security of etherpad that I like the most.
16:22:49 <jgriffith> incorrect, outdated black-hole of info
16:22:55 <flip214> bswartz1: not yet.
16:23:00 <smcginnis> Swanson: And it's searchability.
16:23:10 <hemna> so, to put up an agenda, we do a git review on a devref repo ?
16:23:21 <hemna> and have to get +A's for those ?
16:23:21 <smcginnis> hemna: No idea yet.
16:23:25 <hemna> smh
16:23:41 <hemna> I like git and all, but that's just nutty
16:23:42 <jgriffith> hemna: we've done similar things on TC meetings... not as bad as it sounds
16:23:46 <smcginnis> Probably some different repo or something. A lot of details to work out and discussion to be had before any of that happens.
16:24:02 <Swanson> jgriffith, yes it is. You've been brainwashed.
16:24:15 <jgriffith> smcginnis: yeah... special repo, similar to how specs are dealt with
16:24:19 <dulek> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096481.html - on the Wiki.
16:24:22 <jgriffith> Swanson: haah.. possibly
16:25:09 <smcginnis> Anyone got anything else?
16:25:18 <Swanson> just use twitter and hashbrown cinder-meeting,
16:25:59 <smcginnis> Put our agendas in hipchat, discuss them in Slack, then record them in IRC.
16:26:13 <smcginnis> And live tweet them too.
16:26:33 <jgriffith> I would just ask all those complaining about the loss of a wiki, are you spending time keeping all of them accurate and updated?  Do you even know where they all are :)
16:26:36 * DuncanT suggests trained pidgeons
16:26:46 <jgriffith> smcginnis: oh... that's perfect!!!
16:26:58 <jgriffith> smcginnis: that's sort of like my current workflow in the new company
16:27:15 <Swanson> jgriffith, nope. it is a sea of disinformation with the information you're looking for buried like a precious acorn in the ground. The joy of finding it is amazing.
16:27:19 <jgriffith> smcginnis: but you need to throw in Hangouts and Jabber
16:27:29 <smcginnis> jgriffith: LOL
16:27:33 <hemna> we need an irc bot that tweets
16:27:36 <smcginnis> jgriffith: You must be lovin' life. :)
16:27:36 <jgriffith> Swanson: and there's my point :)
16:27:44 <hemna> #tweet gerrit UI sucks
16:27:59 <diablo_rojo> hemna: Does that actually work?
16:28:00 <smcginnis> haha, love it.
16:28:09 <hemna> diablo_rojo, no, but it should!
16:28:26 <smcginnis> OK, I think we've gone past the point of productivity here. Thanks everyone!
16:28:30 <hemna> :)
16:28:40 <smcginnis> #endmeeting