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16:01:34 <Swanson> CInder
16:01:36 <erlon> hey!
16:01:38 <Swanson> Hello.
16:01:38 <smcginnis> Swanson: :P
16:01:42 <jseiler_> hi
16:01:42 <xyang2> hi
16:01:43 <diablo_rojo> Hello :)
16:01:44 <smcginnis> Can't type this week.
16:01:45 <bswartz> .o/
16:01:47 <smcginnis> ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu
16:01:50 <jgregor> Hello!
16:01:55 <e0ne> hi
16:01:56 <eharney> hi
16:01:57 <mtanino> hi
16:02:01 <jgriffith> howdy
16:02:04 <kfarr> hi
16:02:06 <dulek> o/
16:02:08 <patrickeast> Hey
16:02:11 <baumann> Hello all
16:02:13 <gouthamr-afk> Hey
16:02:33 <smcginnis> #topic Announcements
16:02:40 <hemna> yough
16:02:52 <smcginnis> RC1 deadline is here.
16:03:02 <smcginnis> I'll submit the request tomorrow.
16:03:13 <smcginnis> There's a few things I would like to try to get in before then.
16:03:36 <smcginnis> I think I only have until tomorrow afternoon though. Then we will have to look at an RC2.
16:04:04 <smcginnis> Which is pretty much inevitable, but good to limit what goes in there. ;)
16:04:12 <e0ne> smcginnis: do we have a list of issues for RC1?
16:04:30 <smcginnis> e0ne: Bugs are targeted for RC1.
16:04:44 <smcginnis> I can create an RC2 milestone so we can target things to that as well.
16:04:47 <e0ne> smcginnis: thanks! I'll take a look on reviews tomorrow morning
16:04:52 <smcginnis> e0ne: Thanks!
16:05:04 <smcginnis> It's also hard string freeze after this point.
16:05:19 <smcginnis> So we need to be more strict about allowing translatable string changes through.
16:05:31 <dulek> #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/newton-rc1
16:05:45 <dulek> 4 more patches. :)
16:05:50 <smcginnis> I'd rather have a bug fixed than have a properly translated error.
16:05:53 <smcginnis> dulek: Thanks!
16:06:01 <jungleboyj> o/
16:06:06 <smcginnis> OK, forward looking now.
16:06:11 <smcginnis> We need to plan for the design summit.
16:06:25 <smcginnis> The final design summit at that. :]
16:06:41 <hemna> bleh
16:06:48 <smcginnis> #info Start thinking of design summit topics
16:06:54 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cinder-designsummit-planning Planning etherpad
16:06:57 <stevemar> o/
16:07:15 <smcginnis> Please feel free to add any and all topics to that etherpad.
16:07:28 <smcginnis> We have 4 fishbowls and 4 working rooms.
16:07:36 <smcginnis> One less wr than last time.
16:07:52 <smcginnis> Also the meetup on Friday is compressed, so rather than a full day we just have half a day.
16:08:08 <smcginnis> So if you havent already booked travel, please try to stick around through the whole day.
16:08:12 <hemna> which means half a day for beer.
16:08:16 <smcginnis> ;)
16:08:19 <diablo_rojo> hemna +1
16:08:31 <bswartz> smcginnis: is the space allocation official?
16:08:33 <xyang2> smcginnis: the friday meetup is in the afternoon, right
16:08:44 <smcginnis> bswartz: Good point. These are proposed allocations.
16:08:51 <smcginnis> This could potentially change.
16:08:52 <tbarron> hi
16:08:58 <smcginnis> xyang2: Yes, I believe so.
16:09:00 <e0ne> hemna: +1
16:09:00 <jungleboyj> hemna: +@
16:09:02 * tbarron sneaks into the last row
16:09:04 <jungleboyj> hemna: +2
16:09:19 * jungleboyj is distracted by tbarron's late arrival.  ;-)
16:09:21 <dulek> Given how meetup went in Austin, half a day may actually be a good idea.
16:09:37 <smcginnis> dulek: I agree. I think that should be fine.
16:09:45 <smcginnis> We're usually kind of toast by that point anyway.
16:10:09 <smcginnis> #topic Proprietary libs for drivers
16:10:13 <jungleboyj> dulek: ++
16:10:33 <smcginnis> So last week we started discussing the use of "third party" code in Cinder.
16:10:43 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-brick-driver-externals Tracking etherpad
16:10:59 <smcginnis> I think this is actually going to be a broader cross project discussion at the summit.
16:11:12 <hemna> good
16:11:28 <smcginnis> Some good research in that etherpad. I didn't really get as much time as I wanted to look through our drivers.
16:11:37 <jungleboyj> Agreed.  Good to get broad agreement on this.
16:11:46 <xyang2> smcginnis: I'll be surprised if the list is so short:)
16:11:59 <hemna> fwiw, the brick connectors aren't using proprietary 3rd party python libraries
16:12:10 <smcginnis> I think bottom line, we probably aren't going to make any policy changes right now until we have that cross project discussion.
16:12:10 <hemna> they are using proprietary binaries that they call out
16:12:13 <smcginnis> hemna: OK, good!
16:12:46 <hemna> so, it still doesn't work unless the deployer installs those tools
16:12:54 <jungleboyj> xyang2: I am surprised it is that short.
16:12:54 <jgriffith> sad
16:12:58 <hemna> so it still hurts helion, redhat, etc
16:12:59 <DuncanT> GPL binaries != proprietary though (I didn't get time to investigate them all)
16:13:08 <smcginnis> We'll probably need to clearly define what's OK (compiled vs scripted/interpreted) as well as just general requirements for some systems.
16:13:09 <xyang2> I think we need to make distinction on libs that need to be imported and other things that does not need to be imported
16:13:16 <hemna> DuncanT, yah, it's really only 3 of em
16:13:21 <smcginnis> DuncanT: Oh good, you're here.
16:13:31 <xyang2> jungleboyj: that can't be a complete list
16:13:32 <bswartz> I'm sure the list is longer than that, it seems to be a work in progress
16:13:41 <DuncanT> smcginnis: for a while, yes
16:13:47 <smcginnis> Yes, I think that list is just a start.
16:14:19 <smcginnis> So for the purposes of this meeting I think for now it's just awareness. If anyone has time to spend looking into this, please update that etherpad with anything you find.
16:14:20 <DuncanT> If anybody knows the answer for their driver (including library) then it's worth adding
16:14:29 <smcginnis> We're just at the data collection stage for this.
16:14:35 <smcginnis> DuncanT: +1
16:15:04 <smcginnis> I won't take up too much time on this today since we still need to gather data.
16:15:15 <smcginnis> #topic Testing the upcoming release
16:15:18 <smcginnis> scottda: Hey
16:15:27 <bswartz> DuncanT: the dependencies of the NetApp driver are going to be complicated to explain, because they're optional
16:15:28 <scottda> hi
16:15:43 <scottda> I was noticing that dulek was testing upgrades...
16:15:43 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: We are actively working the XIV issue.  Just FYI.
16:15:46 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-newton-testing Test area tracking
16:15:49 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: Thanks
16:16:14 <scottda> and I thought "This is great. Someone should do things like test stuff .."
16:16:16 * dulek tested that they're almost in a working state. ;)
16:16:27 <smcginnis> scottda: ;)
16:16:30 <scottda> But we never really know what is being tested, and by whom. We just hope.
16:16:40 <smcginnis> Fair statement I think.
16:16:51 <bswartz> the right time to test stuff is actually the last 2 weeks...
16:17:00 <scottda> So, maybe at some point (even earlier in the release) we should document what should be tested, and whom might be doing it.
16:17:03 <bswartz> if you're testing at this point you're a bit late to the game
16:17:12 <smcginnis> Not sure how much we can still do for Newton, but if we can get some focus on areas that would be good.
16:17:19 <scottda> bswartz: Right,i just got the idea a bit late...
16:17:34 <smcginnis> One of the things I would like to see for Ocata is having it be more testing and stabilization focused.
16:17:49 <scottda> so maybe for O release, we just think about things that aren't covered will in automated testing, or we know is falling into the gaps..
16:17:57 <smcginnis> So if I'm still PTL, I'll adopt this etherpad idea for O so we can try to get some good coverage.
16:18:02 <scottda> smcginnis: ++ to that idea.
16:18:15 <diablo_rojo> smcginnis, +1
16:18:16 <bswartz> smcginnis: the shortness of Ocata might make that an absolute necessity
16:18:18 <scottda> Was that a thinly-veiled campaign promise?
16:18:27 <smcginnis> bswartz: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
16:18:27 <hemna> thinly ?
16:18:36 <smcginnis> If elected, I promise to... :)
16:18:54 <jseiler_> Will you promise us free testing?
16:18:59 <hemna> smcginnis, how big are your hands?  do you have pneumonia?
16:19:10 <smcginnis> jseiler_: A ham in every oven.
16:19:11 * bswartz rofl
16:19:29 <smcginnis> :)
16:19:30 <scottda> Anyway, there's the etherpad. It is a bit late to talk about testing at this point. But it seemed like a good idea to start tracking this stuff. Like we would probably be doing at our own companies..
16:19:47 <smcginnis> scottda: +1 Thanks for bringing that up.
16:19:53 <DuncanT> Mmmm, not had ham for ages
16:20:00 <scottda> np. Thanks.
16:20:02 <smcginnis> DuncanT: Hah!
16:20:18 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: NOOOOO!!! They never keep their promises.  ;-)
16:20:32 <smcginnis> :)
16:20:47 <smcginnis> #topic Major RPC API version bumps
16:20:56 <smcginnis> dulek: You're up
16:21:32 <dulek> Okay, so you've probably noticed all these FIXME(dulek): Remove in RPC API 3.0.
16:21:56 <smcginnis> I like how that reads, FIXME(dulek) :)
16:22:04 <dulek> ;>
16:22:16 <dulek> In early Newton we've got rid of them by bumping major RPC API versions of all RPC APIs.
16:22:32 <dulek> This is a quite big change, with some risk.
16:22:59 <DuncanT> What are the risks?
16:23:02 <smcginnis> dulek: Some risk, but it should be fairly obvious if we messed it up right away, right?
16:23:36 <dulek> smcginnis, DuncanT: Exactly, that wouldn't be 100% tested in the gate
16:23:51 <dulek> And manual testing sometimes fails. ;)
16:24:01 <dulek> If anyone is very bugged by all of these compatibility shims, then I can work to get changes bumping major versions up before a release tomorrow.
16:24:26 <smcginnis> dulek: Any reason to wait?
16:24:46 <DuncanT> Dulek: given we're likely to need others, having since examples around isn't necessarily bad
16:24:48 <dulek> But I thought that if Ocata is a short cycle, then we can live a few more months with these shims still in place and get that done in Ocata.
16:25:13 <DuncanT> Got to go, sorry
16:25:27 <xyang2> dulek: why bumping the RPC API version so late has lower risk?
16:25:43 <smcginnis> DuncanT: Thanks!
16:25:54 <hemna> bump it early in the O cycle and see what happens
16:26:20 <smcginnis> hemna, dulek: If there's some concern about doing this, that might be the right answer.
16:26:24 <dulek> smcginnis: Major RPC version bump is a change that anyone upgrading trunk-to-trunk needs to upgrade to before going further, so they're a little unconvinient for operators.
16:26:28 <jungleboyj> hemna: Agreed.
16:26:37 <smcginnis> Then we can have the whole (limited) cycle to find issues.
16:26:51 <hemna> yah that makes sense to me
16:26:51 <diablo_rojo> Sounds like a good plan to me
16:26:55 <dulek> hemna: Early O won't actually work. ;)
16:27:11 <dulek> Let me find the actual change from late Mitaka and early Newton.
16:27:16 <jungleboyj> I agree.
16:27:18 <hemna> uhh  ?
16:27:26 <jungleboyj> Some documented shims are not the end of the world.
16:27:41 <jungleboyj> dulek: Why not?
16:27:42 <dulek> hemna: That's late Mitaka: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283072/
16:28:04 <dulek> hemna: It complicates the manager code - manager can handle both 1.x and 2.0
16:28:23 <dulek> And this is early Newton change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297699/
16:28:39 <hemna> so we are now setting ourselves up for only allowing these types of changes right at the end of the release?!
16:28:43 <hemna> !!
16:28:44 <openstack> hemna: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
16:28:48 <smcginnis> :)
16:28:53 <hemna> no really...!!
16:28:55 <hemna> :)
16:29:05 <e0ne> :)
16:29:05 <hemna> anyway, this scares me
16:29:10 <dulek> This one actually cleans everything up, so Newton development is free of the technical debt of compatibility stuff.
16:29:26 <smcginnis> I think !! should be a bot macro to paste a table flip.
16:29:30 <dulek> hemna: Weeeell, I've just did it like Nova does with n-cpu.
16:29:33 <hemna> smcginnis, :)
16:29:34 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: ++
16:29:53 <jungleboyj> !!
16:29:54 <openstack> jungleboyj: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
16:30:00 <jungleboyj> A barfight ensues
16:30:04 <dulek> They're doing same thing in RC target week.
16:30:17 <hemna> :(
16:30:30 <dulek> (that's why their release is on "Thursday evening, Dan Smith time" ;))
16:30:37 <smcginnis> dulek: So when do you think is the best for us to do this? Right before RC1? Or as part of an RC2?
16:31:18 <dulek> RC2 can never happen, so if we really want to clean up technical debt now, we should do it in RC1.
16:31:34 <smcginnis> RC2 can never happen?
16:32:05 <dulek> smcginnis: If there are no high or critical issues, then why would it? :P
16:32:22 <jgriffith> smcginnis: it's possible we never need an RC2
16:32:26 <jgriffith> smcginnis: perfect world
16:32:38 <smcginnis> dulek: I think we've almost always done an RC2 (or RC3) due to last minute requirement changes, translation strings, etc.
16:33:01 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Nah, perfect world we just cut the final branch and move on. :P
16:33:11 <Swanson> sun comes up every day for billions of years. eventually you expect it. there'll be an rc2.
16:33:12 <jgriffith> smcginnis: dulek FWIW I'm not comfortable bumping major number during RC releases
16:33:27 <dulek> My point was - you can see doing the change is constrained, a little difficult and Nova also isn't doing them always. So if we're fine with the presence of compatibility shims through Ocata, I would do it a release later.
16:33:31 <jgriffith> Swanson: tomorrow could be  *the* dark day
16:33:38 <hemna> jgriffith, +1
16:33:50 <hemna> that stuff shouldn't be done at that stage of the release
16:34:03 <jungleboyj> jgriffith: That is a dark though.
16:34:04 <hemna> way too much risk IMHO
16:34:06 <jungleboyj> *thought
16:34:35 <jgriffith> dulek: how much do we gain from doing the bump now?
16:34:35 <bswartz> smcginnis: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000726
16:34:39 <e0ne> I still doesn't understand why we want to merge such risky patch after feature freeze
16:34:49 <jgriffith> dulek: I mean... how much esier is it going to make my life?
16:34:51 <e0ne> s/doesn't/don't
16:34:52 <xyang2> hemna: sounds odd to me a major version bump needs to happen so late in the cycle rather than in the beginning
16:35:20 <hemna> xyang2, +1
16:35:36 <dulek> jgriffith: Getting rid of these https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/f6c20ed00b9febaea42ac34d2988c1cf6c883b10/cinder/scheduler/rpcapi.py#L111-L114
16:35:54 <smcginnis> bswartz: LOL! That's awesome!
16:36:06 <jgriffith> dulek: I do kinda like that
16:36:09 <bswartz> +1 for waiting until ocata for major version bump
16:36:10 <jgriffith> dulek: getting rid of those
16:36:18 <hemna> lol
16:36:34 <dulek> xyang1, hemna: If we're doing it at the beginning, then we need to live with manager accepting 2.x *and* 3.x through the release.
16:36:51 <jgriffith> dulek: and if it's the very first change in Ocata, we add some complication to any potential backporting right?
16:36:54 <dulek> xyang1, hemna: As people will upgrade Newton->Ocata.
16:36:56 <hemna> dulek, I think that's far less risky
16:37:13 <jungleboyj> bswartz: Nice!  I like that I was the example.
16:37:17 <jgriffith> dulek: ok, you've convinced me
16:37:32 <jgriffith> dulek: my vote is submit the patch today or tomorrow. :)
16:38:02 <smcginnis> "we need to live with manager accepting 2.x *and* 3.x through the release" Today or tomorrow would be my vote if this is the case.
16:38:28 <dulek> smcginnis: That's only if we would do it early in Ocata. ;)
16:38:43 <smcginnis> dulek: Right. So I'm saying to avoid that, let's do it now.
16:39:03 <jgriffith> so I was concerned about a bump like that during RC, but I'm less concerned with that than dealing with the burden of multiple version monkey biz for another full release
16:39:11 <dulek> smcginnis: Okay, I'll work double time to get the patches up.
16:39:13 <smcginnis> jgriffith: +1
16:39:19 <jgriffith> phew
16:39:22 <jgriffith> :)
16:39:28 <smcginnis> dulek: Thank you! :)
16:39:37 <dulek> Well, then I'm glad I've asked for opinion of you all! Thank you!
16:39:41 <hemna> I guess, do we eat a turd sandwich now or for 6 months....
16:39:51 <jgriffith> hemna: I get your point too... but I'd rather make this horse trade honestly.
16:39:53 <jungleboyj> hemna: Nice.
16:39:54 <hemna> sucks either way.
16:39:59 <smcginnis> hemna: Hah, one way to put it. :)
16:40:08 <jgriffith> hemna: nahh... it's going to go beautifully without a hitch
16:40:24 <hemna> jgriffith, we are quoting you on that one! :P
16:40:38 <jgriffith> we need to break the cycle of "half in half out" in so many places
16:40:39 <smcginnis> hemna: He does have horses to trade!
16:40:45 <jgriffith> objects, rpc, api-versions etc
16:40:49 <jgriffith> everything is "half"
16:40:53 <dulek> BTW some info: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/RpcMajorVersionUpdates#Mixed_version_environments_.28nova-compute.29
16:41:01 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Fix it all in Ocata! :)
16:41:10 <jgriffith> smcginnis: I'd love that
16:41:35 <smcginnis> dulek: OK, anything else?
16:41:47 <jgriffith> smcginnis: READ MY LIPS... "NO NEW FEATURES"
16:41:53 <smcginnis> :)
16:41:56 <dulek> smcginnis: No, thank you. Link above is for anyone willing to understand the topic better. :)
16:41:58 <jgriffith> most of you probably aren't even old enough to know what I'm quoting there
16:42:03 <dulek> jgriffith: +1!
16:42:05 <xyang2> dulek: do we need another major bump at the end of next release?
16:42:05 <hemna> dulek, is this going to be a recurring theme every release?
16:42:12 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Does that mean I get to start a Star Wars program?
16:42:13 <scottda> A Broken campaign promise?
16:42:22 <hemna> jgriffith, heh
16:42:26 <jgriffith> smcginnis: ha!  Yayyy for history!
16:42:40 <smcginnis> Yay for being old! :D
16:42:47 <jgriffith> smcginnis: it has it's perks
16:42:49 <dulek> xyang1, hemna: Depends on how much compatibility code we're introducing. I don't see a reason to do that if we have one or two shims in rpcapi and manager.
16:42:51 <hemna> smcginnis, as long as the laser beams are installed on sharks.
16:42:55 <smcginnis> jgriffith: True!
16:43:02 <smcginnis> hemna: ;)
16:43:12 <smcginnis> #topic Open discussion
16:43:29 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: I love lasers!
16:43:38 <bswartz> hemna: I found this (for Friday) http://www.driftwoodjournals.com/10-best-craft-beer-bars-in-barcelona-an-inside-guide/
16:43:47 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: Just don't point them in your good eye. oO
16:43:52 <dulek> hemna, xyang1: It's like… Backwards compatibility is hard only if we're changing. ;)_
16:43:53 <hemna> bswartz, now that's an important topic
16:44:11 <smcginnis> bswartz: Always working on the things that really count! :D
16:44:15 <diablo_rojo> bswartz Nice work.
16:44:17 <dulek> Ooooh, someone told me there's one huge multitap pub in Barcelona.
16:44:21 <xyang2> dulek: ok, thanks:)
16:44:54 <smcginnis> Anything else for today?
16:45:01 <jungleboyj> bswartz: Nice!  Good sign they have that.  Won't be stuck with Wine like in Paris.  :-)
16:45:05 <hemna> man, a city in europe that actually has beer.
16:45:12 <dulek> bswartz: This is also promising: http://www.ratebeer.com/p/biercab-barcelona/38780/ ;)
16:45:21 <smcginnis> hemna: We should go to Germany next time.
16:45:29 <hemna> smcginnis, +1
16:45:40 <scottda> Next Design Summit is in Akron, Ohio
16:45:46 <dulek> hemna: Gdansk or Wroclaw works too if you'll happen to be in Poland. ;)
16:45:52 <smcginnis> scottda: Akron? I thought it was Atlanta?
16:45:58 <smcginnis> PTG
16:46:08 <scottda> I was joking. I didn't know it was even decided.
16:46:15 <hemna> scottda, just as long as it's not in Utah...no alcohol on Sundays.
16:46:16 <diablo_rojo> Yeah its Atlanta
16:46:20 <smcginnis> scottda: Hah! Yeah, I think I heard Atlanta is set.
16:46:23 <jgriffith> scottda: Pennsylvania I tihnk
16:46:29 <hemna> crap, really back to Atlanta ?
16:46:44 <xyang2> hemna: at least it is February
16:46:46 <diablo_rojo> Yep. Atlanta for the first PTG
16:46:54 <bswartz> hemna: it will be in February though so not quite as hot
16:46:59 <hemna> ah ok
16:47:00 <tbarron> easy to fly there, just don't try to drive
16:47:01 <jgriffith> wait... what?
16:47:01 <dulek> xyang2: Isn't it snowing there in February?
16:47:08 <tbarron> once you are there
16:47:12 <xyang2> dulek: no
16:47:14 <jgriffith> didn't realize ya'll were being serious
16:47:18 <hemna> Atlanta had the worst summit food
16:47:19 * jgriffith comes out from under his rock
16:47:20 <xyang2> dulek: it is a warm place
16:47:29 <bswartz> jgriffith: http://www.openstack.org/ptg/
16:47:39 <jgriffith> thanks bswartz
16:47:40 <hemna> damn, where have I been
16:47:45 <dulek> xyang2: Oh, pretty great then, I was scared by a conference in winter. :)
16:47:48 <xyang2> hemna: oh, we need how many hands to hold bowls?
16:48:19 <hemna> xyang2, exactly
16:48:25 <jungleboyj> *Sigh*  Atlanta.
16:48:39 <smcginnis> Hey, I didn't think it was _that_ bad. :)
16:48:41 <diablo_rojo> dulek, If it was in MN in February, that would be cause for concern.
16:48:43 <jungleboyj> hemna: It was terrible.
16:48:57 <xyang2> smcginnis: time to lose some weight:)
16:49:12 <xyang2> smcginnis: it is so hot there, and we don't have enough food to eat
16:49:14 <jungleboyj> diablo_rojo: It would be good for character building.
16:49:17 <hemna> I don't see Atlanta on that page
16:49:24 <smcginnis> xyang2: I think I did at that summit. I was walking a few miles a day back and forth to my hotel. :)
16:49:27 <hemna> I guess it's just not announced?
16:49:29 <bswartz> hemna: start at the top
16:49:34 <hemna> they should have picked FL
16:49:34 <xyang2> :)
16:49:43 <diablo_rojo> hemna, tweeted a week or so ago I think
16:49:44 <bswartz> +1 for Florida
16:49:51 <smcginnis> OK, I think we're past the point of productivity. Thanks everyone!
16:49:51 <hemna> bswartz, reading is hard....
16:49:52 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: Up and down hills.  It was good exercise.
16:49:52 <diablo_rojo> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
16:49:55 <dulek> hemna: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/102981.html
16:49:57 <smcginnis> The Zika summit
16:50:03 <jungleboyj> Poor Duncan was in the ghetto.
16:50:06 <diablo_rojo> smcginnis, LOL
16:50:08 <hemna> smcginnis, :)
16:50:09 <Swanson> florida? So you can die and show up on the FloridaMan twitter feed?
16:50:18 <smcginnis> #endmeeting