16:00:41 <smcginnis> #startmeeting Cinder
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16:00:47 <erlon> Hey
16:00:50 <xyang1> hi
16:00:52 <jungleboyj> Hello.
16:00:55 <smcginnis> Hi
16:01:03 <smcginnis> dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy
16:01:09 <smcginnis> viks ketonne
16:01:10 <dulek> o/
16:01:13 <ketonne> Hi
16:01:15 <geguileo> Hi! o/
16:01:17 <smcginnis> #topic Announcements
16:01:20 <mtanino> hi/
16:01:25 <hemna> morning
16:01:45 <eharney> hi
16:01:50 <jungleboyj> It's a hemna!
16:01:51 <patrickeast> o/
16:01:56 <e0ne> hi
16:02:00 <hemna> it is
16:02:01 <scottda> hi
16:02:04 <wxy1> o/
16:02:05 <smcginnis> A hemna sighting in the wild! :)
16:02:08 <mdovgal> hi
16:02:15 <jungleboyj> I love a wild hemna
16:02:20 <smcginnis> #topic Announcements
16:02:28 <smcginnis> Moving on quickly from that...
16:02:37 <jungleboyj> :-)
16:02:40 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus
16:02:55 <smcginnis> I'm cutting O-2 later today.
16:03:11 <smcginnis> #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html Schedule
16:03:20 <erlon> smcginnis: what will be limmited drivers only?
16:03:23 <smcginnis> This is our official driver and spec freeze.
16:03:26 <markstur> hi
16:03:37 <hemna> so the cutoff isn't friday ?
16:03:55 <xyang1> smcginnis: anything you want to get in before the cut?
16:04:00 <erlon> smcginnis: ok, driver and spec
16:04:00 <diablo_rojo_phon> Hello :)
16:04:12 <smcginnis> hemna: Nope, Thursday is the official OS one, the 14th was what we had published for Cinder.
16:04:42 <hemna> ok, so I guess that begs the question about the XIV driver then
16:04:48 <jungleboyj> hemna: Yeah.
16:04:52 <smcginnis> xyang1: There are a couple outstanding driver submissions (that all appear to want to be on the meeting agenda today) so we'll have to take a look at whether they're ready or not.
16:05:04 <smcginnis> hemna: That's a refactor IMO, so not a new driver.
16:05:09 <hemna> we haven't really been getting any reviews on it from others
16:05:37 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: Ok, so what is the cutoff date you are looking at for that?
16:05:41 <hemna> we still need more unit tests, but the rest of the driver code can get some attention
16:05:49 <xyang1> hemna: I wanted to review it the  other day but it had WIP on
16:05:56 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: I guess that would fall under the O-3 one.
16:06:03 <smcginnis> xyang1: Oh right, same.
16:06:08 <smcginnis> hemna: Is that still WIP?
16:06:13 <hemna> xyang1, we have unit tests coming from alon
16:06:19 <smcginnis> OK, good.
16:06:35 <hemna> so if you can ignore that for now, there still is a lot of other code to review
16:06:55 <xyang1> hemna: ok
16:07:01 <smcginnis> Otherwise, there's still a lot of items on the list that we had identified as priorities that need attention, other than drivers.
16:07:18 <smcginnis> Especially geguileo's long list of patches. :)
16:07:45 <scottda> smcginnis: Should we do sign-ups for the HA patches, the way we do for drivers?
16:07:55 <smcginnis> scottda: That may help.
16:07:56 <erlon> scottda: +1
16:08:14 <smcginnis> dulek has been doing a lot of testing on those I've seen. Would be good to get others as well.
16:08:15 <xyang1> smcginnis: the HA patches merge deadline is O-3, right?
16:08:21 <smcginnis> xyang1: Right
16:08:45 <xyang1> smcginnis, scottda: the sign-ups do help with drivers
16:08:57 <smcginnis> #topic Cinder testing meeting
16:09:03 <smcginnis> scottda: hey
16:09:12 <ketonne> smcginnis, xyang1: we would like to discuss Veritas HyperScale status as well
16:09:20 <scottda> Hey. So we used to have a Cinder testing meeting before this meeting, at 1500 UTC....
16:09:42 <scottda> But since we came of Daylight Savings, I've had a conflict. So has smcginnis  and others seem to not be around...
16:09:43 <xyang1> ketonne: do you have successful CI reporting?
16:10:02 <smcginnis> ketonne: Yeah, please don't put items in the announcements section. We do that topic later in the meeting.
16:10:13 <scottda> So I was wondering if we should re-schedule that meeting? This is assuming we still want to talk about Cinder testing on a regular basis?
16:10:25 <ketonne> xyang1: CI is stable and reporting although we do have some failures which we are addressing
16:10:31 <smcginnis> scottda: I do think it's good to discuss.
16:10:32 <ketonne> smcginnis: ok
16:10:37 <patrickeast> scottda: +1 for a new time
16:10:55 <e0ne> scottda: +1 to re-schedule it
16:11:01 <smcginnis> ketonne: noop tests are not stable.
16:11:10 <erlon> after this meeting is a good time for me
16:11:20 <e0ne> scottda: what about 1600 UTC on Tuesdays?
16:11:32 <scottda> Who is interested and in a UTC 0000 or UTC + X time zone? We want you to be able to come...
16:11:38 <diablo_rojo_phon> scottda: +1
16:11:41 <smcginnis> e0ne: That should work for me.
16:11:43 <scottda> e0ne: That works for me.
16:12:00 <e0ne> erlon: -1. it will be too late for me, especially in summer
16:12:21 <erlon> e0ne: that would work for me, same time as Cinder meeting but Tuesday right?
16:12:27 <erlon> e0ne: hmm
16:12:30 <e0ne> erlon: yes
16:12:33 <ketonne> smcginnis: We just verified today that CI is triggering for every checkin. This has happened a few hours ago.
16:12:59 <erlon> e0ne: that works for me
16:13:05 <scottda> Anyone have a Big problem with 1600 UTC Tuesdays?
16:13:38 <scottda> eharney, xyang1, gouthamr, akerr, smcginnis, cFouts, e0ne, geguileo, dulek, flip214, ntpttr patrickeast, _alastor_, DuncanT, erlon, josemello,mdarnell, karthikp
16:13:45 <scottda> YOu are all on the ping list for the meeting
16:13:47 <smcginnis> scottda: +1 from me
16:13:49 <eharney> i like 1600 UTC tues
16:13:50 <e0ne> it works for me
16:13:53 <Cibo> smcginnis: can you please specify the time of brunch creation?
16:13:53 <scottda> Speak now, or we'll just do this...
16:13:56 <xyang1> scottda: 1600UTC works for me
16:14:04 <patrickeast> Sounds good to me
16:14:04 <smcginnis> Cibo: Not really
16:14:08 <dulek> +1
16:14:11 <xyang1> scottda: 0000 UTC is late for me
16:14:17 <geguileo> scottda: I'm ok with it
16:14:35 <erlon> scottda: sounds like a deal
16:14:36 <scottda> OK, I'll change it on the meeting wiki and ping you all next Tuesday. Thanks everyone.
16:14:53 <e0ne> scottda: thanks
16:14:56 <erlon> scottda: Thanks!
16:15:03 <scottda> oh wait..
16:15:03 <smcginnis> scottda: Thanks!
16:15:03 <Cibo> smcginnis: I hope that I will be able to refactor code and publish + code review
16:15:19 <scottda> Wasn't there something on the ML about not using Cinder room for meetings?
16:15:23 <scottda> OR am I mistaken
16:15:34 <scottda> I know they just added openstack-meeting-5
16:15:44 <smcginnis> scottda: I think the decision was it's actually good to use the cinder room.
16:15:53 <erlon> Cibo: dont forget the to fix the logs.gz downloads
16:15:54 <smcginnis> Or at least that's the way it was leaning.
16:15:55 <diablo_rojo_phon> It's preferred that you use the meeting rooms, but it's not required.
16:15:58 <scottda> smcginnis: OK, we'll keep it there. Thanks. Back to you...
16:16:12 <smcginnis> scottda: Thanks!
16:16:38 <smcginnis> #info Test meeting to be held in #openstack-cinder 1600 UTC on Tuesdays
16:16:48 <smcginnis> #topic New driver submissions
16:16:55 <smcginnis> I'm going to group these.
16:17:07 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389622/ NEC driver
16:17:10 <Cibo> erlon: what logs.gz I do not archive any more http://openstack-ci-logs-open-e.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/log/86/386186/28
16:17:23 <smcginnis> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/veritas-hyperscale-cinder-driver Veritas HyperScale driver
16:17:35 <Cibo> erlon: or I am missing something?
16:17:50 <smcginnis> So from what I see, neither one of these is actually ready. :|
16:17:52 <smcginnis> http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=cinder&time=7+days
16:18:04 <smcginnis> I would not consider either to have stable CI's at this point.
16:18:11 <smcginnis> There are still issues being found in reviews.
16:18:37 <smcginnis> And a lot of this should have been worked on weeks ago, to be honest.
16:19:03 <smcginnis> On the plus side, it does seem both are being active and attentive to concerns.
16:19:24 <smcginnis> So I'm not going to -2 them right now, but from where I stand it doesn't look good.
16:19:31 <e0ne> smcginnis: how many hours do we have until deadline?
16:19:41 <smcginnis> Others are certainly encouraged to review and decide.
16:19:48 <ketonne> smcginnis: We are working on these actively for the Veritas HyperScale issues reported. The last one by xyang1 was addressed just before this meeting
16:19:58 <smcginnis> e0ne: I was hoping to submit the o-2 request after lunch.
16:20:12 <smcginnis> But I can wait until later.
16:20:20 <e0ne> smcginnis: what timezone are you in?
16:20:30 <smcginnis> Central US
16:20:35 <e0ne> thanks
16:20:38 <smcginnis> Currently 10:20 AM
16:20:51 <Cibo> smcginnis: thank you
16:21:07 <smcginnis> My biggest concern for both right now is the CI.
16:21:25 <smcginnis> They are being stated as being stable, but that's not what I'm seeing.
16:21:40 <smcginnis> I'm sure DuncanT would have an opinion on that too. :)
16:22:03 <sivn> any thoughts on the Veritas Access driver?
16:22:18 <sivn> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409914/
16:22:29 <Cibo> smcginnis: there is 1 day and  4 - 5 hours left...
16:22:40 <smcginnis> sivn: Again, no CI. Driver submitted just days before the deadline.
16:22:50 <smcginnis> Cibo: No, there is more like 4-5 hours left.
16:23:04 <Cibo> smcginnis: I see
16:23:45 <ketonne> stable CI reporting for Veritas HyperScale should be seen in a few hours. We fixed the last known issues last night India time
16:23:55 <smcginnis> I'll step back and let others comment. This isn't just my decision, just stating what I see based on what we've published as our requirements and our deadlines.
16:24:14 <hemna> so the original patch was submitted on Nov 27
16:24:39 <smcginnis> hemna: Which one?
16:24:51 <hemna> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382097
16:25:15 <smcginnis> That's the HyperScale one. The Access one is different.
16:25:19 <hemna> I haven't looked at it at all because it hasn't had CI
16:25:33 <xyang1> hemna: Oct 4 was the first submission
16:25:38 <jungleboyj> hemna: So, that is ok ...
16:25:38 <hemna> ok sorry, wasn't sure which one we were talking about
16:25:42 <hemna> oh
16:25:49 <hemna> Veritas access was just submitted
16:25:50 <hemna> :(
16:25:51 <jungleboyj> Looks like they have been responsive to reviews.
16:26:03 <smcginnis> True. That is good.
16:26:06 <hemna> I'd say no on the Access driver
16:26:25 <hemna> the deadline is for merging the driver not submitting afaik.
16:26:30 <sivn> To give some context on Access driver, this was checked-in to kilo release but was removed due to lack of CI, we are resubmitting it
16:26:32 <smcginnis> hemna: +1
16:26:39 <xyang1> hemna: oh, I see what you meant.  the access one was too late
16:26:46 <hemna> yah
16:27:42 <hemna> the unit tests are lacking as well
16:28:22 <hemna> well I guess the driver is a bit light, because it's mostly an nfs driver
16:28:25 <sivn> I have uploaded one set of test cases?
16:28:30 <erlon> sivn: does your driver do any call to the storage?
16:28:32 <hemna> anyway, I think it's submitted too late IMHO
16:28:57 <xyang1> hemna: I think we should discuss about the drivers on the review track etherpad first
16:29:02 <erlon> sivn: it seems only a layer over the NFS driver and that does not do anything optimized
16:29:08 <sivn> for snapshot of the volume, it runs a specific command over NFS
16:29:10 <e0ne> hemna: +2
16:29:30 <sivn> otherwise uses most of the NFS driver capabilities
16:29:37 <erlon> sivn: ok, ill let a comment there and yu can follow up
16:29:53 <sivn> thanks
16:30:13 <sivn> we are working on CI too, that is in the last stages
16:30:31 <hemna> the clone volume doesn't use a new size either.
16:30:34 <sivn> we have got experience now, with the Veritas Hyperscale CI :)
16:32:00 <smcginnis> OK, please all cores, take a look and chime in on the driver reviews in the tracking etherpad.
16:32:56 <xyang1> smcginnis: so we have two new drivers that might make the cut?  NEC and Veritas HyperScale?
16:33:24 <smcginnis> xyang1: That's my take, but a little iffy.
16:33:40 <ketonne> Getting back to HyperScale, last comment has been addressed and new test cases have been added as per xyang1's comments
16:33:43 <xyang1> smcginnis: ok
16:33:47 <smcginnis> I will take a look at both soon. I do think they are close and they have been responsive to review feedback.
16:34:03 <smcginnis> CI is really the biggest issue all around here.
16:34:13 <xyang1> smcginnis: I haven't seen CI yet, so that is the concern
16:34:27 <hemna> yah CI is supposed to be reporting if you want a driver to merge
16:34:34 <hemna> and passing :)
16:34:34 <diablo_rojo_phon> 4+ hours isn't much time for CI.
16:34:51 <smcginnis> CI's in general are pretty miserable as it is: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=cinder&time=7+days
16:34:59 <diablo_rojo_phon> hemna: haha yeah passing too.
16:35:09 <erlon> diablo_rojo_phon: yeap, it talks aroung 1+ hour just to run a job and detect a failure
16:35:42 <diablo_rojo_phon> Ouch.
16:36:20 <smcginnis> #topic Open Discussion
16:36:30 <ketonne> we are on the CI issues. you should see stable CI from HyperScale by today. Failures are being looked into on priority
16:36:30 <smcginnis> Anything else to discuss?
16:36:50 <e0ne> smcginnis: when are we going to start working on topics list for PTG?
16:36:54 <Cibo> JovianDSS driver
16:36:57 <hemna> eharney, thanks for the review man.  much appreciated.
16:37:00 <smcginnis> ketonne: That's good. But again, we should see stable CI _prior_ to the deadline, not on the deadline.
16:37:13 <hemna> e0ne, after xmas ?
16:37:14 <smcginnis> e0ne: Oh, good point. We should probably get an etherpad started for planning that.
16:37:31 <Cibo> so I am working on fixing existing issues... anything else?
16:37:33 <smcginnis> Which reminds me - Summit session proposals will be opening up very soon.
16:37:54 <smcginnis> Good time to start thinking about what you might want to submit for talks at the summit.
16:38:14 <smcginnis> That will be coming up fast.
16:38:15 <e0ne> hemna: I'll have  Orthodox Christmas  after it:)
16:38:43 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo_phon: How we on Cinder registration for the PTG?
16:38:54 <hemna> :)
16:39:13 <e0ne> I didn't register yet. I'm going to do it next 2 weeks
16:39:21 <smcginnis> e0ne: Great!
16:39:34 <hemna> I'm still trying to get approval....
16:40:29 <jungleboyj> I am registered.  May be sending myself, but I will be there.
16:40:34 <smcginnis> #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg PTG registration
16:40:48 <smcginnis> :/
16:41:00 <diablo_rojo_phon> smcginnis: still on the lower end.
16:41:03 <smcginnis> There is the travel assistance program for this as well.
16:41:17 <diablo_rojo_phon> e0ne: I didn't see you apply for the tsp
16:41:36 <e0ne> diablo_rojo_phon: I've got approval from my company this time :)
16:41:38 <smcginnis> OK, I guess that's all I've got. Anything else?
16:41:51 <e0ne> diablo_rojo_phon: so I don't need TSP
16:42:06 <diablo_rojo_phon> Woo-hoo!
16:42:27 <smcginnis> OK, thanks everyone. Go forth and review. :)
16:42:31 <ketonne> smcginnis: should we shoot for o-3 for HyperScale then?
16:42:46 <smcginnis> ketonne: What do you mean?
16:43:19 <diablo_rojo_phon> smcginnis: we shall, our beloved ptl.
16:43:31 <ketonne> do we have the window to get into ocata in O-3 for hyperscale?
16:43:40 <hemna> ketonne, the deadline for new drivers is O-2
16:43:41 <e0ne> ketonne: I'm afraid, that you have to do it for P-2 :(
16:43:55 <hemna> you've missed the deadline.
16:44:02 <smcginnis> ketonne: No, the new driver deadline for Ocata is today. Otherwise you're looking at Pike.
16:44:46 <smcginnis> OK, thanks everyone.
16:45:01 <smcginnis> #endmeeting