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16:00:05 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'cinder'
16:00:08 <smcginnis> ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor lhx_ baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy
16:00:14 <smcginnis> viks ketonne abishop
16:00:15 <geguileo> hi! o/
16:00:23 <e0ne> hi
16:00:26 <cFouts> hi
16:00:30 <scottda> It's Wednesday? Feels like Monday...
16:00:48 <jungleboyj> o/
16:00:52 <xyang1> Hi
16:00:55 <tbarron> hi
16:01:02 <jungleboyj> scottda: It is rather disorienting.
16:01:14 <smcginnis> scottda: Yeah, I'm all thrown off.
16:01:46 <smcginnis> Alright - hey everyone.
16:01:50 <jungleboyj> Will be nice when the 4th is closer to a weekend again.
16:01:55 <jungleboyj> Hey!
16:02:02 <smcginnis> Thanks jungleboyj for running the meetings the last couple weeks for me.
16:02:11 <smcginnis> Really nice not to have to get up in the middle of the night. :)
16:02:20 <smcginnis> And new appreciation for those that do to attend this.
16:02:25 <jungleboyj> smcginnis:  Welcome.  Did my best to fill your shoes.  ;-)
16:02:34 <smcginnis> #topic Announcements
16:03:02 <smcginnis> We are three weeks from P-3!
16:03:03 <smcginnis> https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html
16:03:16 <smcginnis> As usual, the cycle is flying by.
16:03:24 <_alastor_> o/
16:03:32 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus
16:03:50 <lhx_> o/
16:03:50 <smcginnis> I put the approved specs that were still in the works at the top there. ^^
16:04:18 <smcginnis> Most are in good shape (just waiting for final client patch), but a few... not so much.
16:04:39 <smcginnis> First one there I think is from LisaLi. I haven't seen her around for quite a while.
16:04:53 <smcginnis> Anyone know if she was affected by OSIC or related tuff?
16:04:56 <smcginnis> *stuff
16:05:49 <smcginnis> Well, there are a couple specs there that we might need to revert if they no longer have anyone driving them.
16:06:39 <e0ne> smcginnis: what specs do you mean?
16:07:34 <smcginnis> Backup Service Enabled API, maybe Dynamic Reconfig,
16:07:37 <smcginnis> I guess that's it.
16:07:49 <smcginnis> The others are at least in progress.
16:08:23 <jungleboyj> tommylikehu:  Chatted with me about the dynamic reconfig yesterday.
16:08:40 <jungleboyj> Sounds like much of the code is in place.  The question is figuring out what is mutable and not.
16:08:59 <smcginnis> Oh right, I saw a question in last weeks logs.
16:09:05 <e0ne> smcginnis: thanks. I'll try to find some time to take a look on a backup-related specs
16:09:06 <smcginnis> Let me find a link quick.
16:09:15 <smcginnis> Talk amongst yourselves. :)
16:09:17 <jungleboyj> Yeah.  We have been working through that and updating the spec.
16:09:19 <e0ne> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350310/
16:09:32 <e0ne> #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/cinder-specs/specs/pike/add-backup-capability.html
16:09:46 <jgriffith> hey e0ne did you see that haircut smcginnis got?
16:10:04 <e0ne> jgriffith: no
16:10:09 <jgriffith> jungleboyj I heard a rumor about smcginnis....
16:10:21 <smcginnis> LOL
16:10:22 <jungleboyj> jgriffith:  ?
16:10:27 * jgriffith is talking amongst ourselves
16:10:41 <jgriffith> like students in class talking about the teacher when he/she leaves the room
16:10:49 <jgriffith> oh well... I thought it was funny
16:10:51 <jungleboyj> jgriffith:  His hair is pretty much the same.  I swear it never grows actually.
16:11:00 <smcginnis> Looks like the link is messed up with the doc migration work. But here's a cached version showing what needs to be done for the config mutable-ness.
16:11:04 <smcginnis> jgriffith: I laughed.
16:11:07 <smcginnis> https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cTVZOOhnGp4J:https://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/mutable.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
16:11:18 <smcginnis> Sorry for those that can't use Google.
16:11:19 <jgriffith> a good soldier should never look like they need a haircut or just got a haircut
16:11:21 <mdovgal> jgriffith, we need photo link)
16:11:28 <mdovgal> jgriffith, we need photo's link)
16:11:32 <mdovgal> sorry
16:11:34 <jungleboyj> jgriffith: He is a good soldier!
16:11:38 <e0ne> :)
16:11:50 <smcginnis> 1 on the sides, 2 on the top. ;)
16:12:00 <jgriffith> smcginnis indeed!
16:12:25 <jgriffith> 1'st and 15'th of each month
16:12:32 <lhx_> is there any photo? lol
16:12:48 <jgriffith> sorry everyone, the haircut thing was a joke
16:13:00 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Look what you've done!
16:13:00 <jgriffith> not really saying there's anything about smcginnis 's haircut
16:13:02 * jungleboyj is laughing
16:13:05 <jgriffith> i know...
16:13:07 <smcginnis> :D
16:13:11 * jgriffith walks proudly
16:13:21 <smcginnis> Hah
16:13:26 <mdovgal> jgriffith, :(
16:13:37 <smcginnis> Shoot. I had one more announcement thing but I can't remember now.
16:13:46 <smcginnis> We can move on and see if it comes back to me.
16:13:48 * jgriffith 's work here is done
16:14:03 * jungleboyj is enjoying the train crash
16:14:04 <jgriffith> class clowns never win
16:14:04 * smcginnis pictures jgriffith getting up and walking out like George Costanza
16:14:16 <jgriffith> leave on a high note!!
16:14:25 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo_phon: You around
16:14:36 <jgriffith> actually it's more like "the jerk store called and they're running low on you"
16:14:41 <diablo_rojo_phon> Yeah. A bit :)
16:14:53 <diablo_rojo_phon> Not driving currently, but still en route.
16:15:24 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo_phon: Able to talk to your agenda topic?
16:15:45 <diablo_rojo_phon> Which one? Dynamic reconfiguration?
16:15:59 * diablo_rojo_phon doesn't have the agenda open
16:16:04 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo_phon: Config option consolidation. We can push it to next week.
16:16:37 <diablo_rojo_phon> Oh yeah still poking around. If we can't push it one more week I can have more concrete info.
16:16:47 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo_phon: OK, let's wait then.
16:16:55 <smcginnis> #topic Open discussion
16:16:57 <diablo_rojo_phon> Cool, thank you!
16:17:06 <smcginnis> That was all on the official agenda. Anyone have anything else.
16:17:23 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Want to give any attach updates?
16:17:31 <jgriffith> smcginnis yes please...
16:17:47 <jgriffith> smcginnis so there's one last thing holding us up now...
16:17:53 <jgriffith> that's the whole shared-connection debate thing
16:18:14 <jgriffith> if people have concerns here or use that model we REALLY need your help at this point
16:18:37 <jgriffith> otherwise, we will assume everything works just like LVM and merge that version; if you're broken, you're broken
16:18:39 <jgriffith> :)
16:18:45 <ildikov> This point equals NOW :)
16:19:01 <smcginnis> Do we have tempest tests that go through the new path yet?
16:19:24 <jgriffith> smcginnis getting close; but CI's wont' pick it up until nova merges
16:19:46 <jgriffith> and we can't merge that until we know we don't break everyone...
16:19:47 <jgriffith> so kinda.. well, ya know
16:20:01 <smcginnis> Then probably good if we get that in soon enough to fix up any issues.
16:20:38 <ildikov> smcginnis: +1
16:20:42 <jgriffith> that's actually not a bad way to look at it either
16:20:52 <DuncanT> jgriffith: Can you use a cross-repo depends on tag to test the nova patch befor eit merges?
16:21:30 <jgriffith> DuncanT yeah, we do that already, but that's not a requirement for CI and it doesn't matter because our CI's aren't running against nova patches
16:21:55 <jgriffith> what I mean is that we have been doing cross-project depends on in the nova patch
16:21:56 <DuncanT> jgriffith: Just post an empty cinder patch that depends on the nova patch, no?
16:22:00 <smcginnis> DuncanT: Yeah, and I don't know if any third party CI is set up yet to handle cross repo dependencies correctly yet.
16:22:19 <DuncanT> jgriffith: Ah, you're way ahead of me then, I'll ggo back to sleep :-)
16:22:22 <jgriffith> DuncanT again, I don't think most of the 3'rd party systems do the cross-project checks, but we could try that
16:22:28 <smcginnis> DuncanT: Hah
16:22:31 <jgriffith> I guess there's one way to find out :)
16:22:49 <jgriffith> but I thought people would care enough to look BEFORE we merged the nova changes :)
16:23:10 * DuncanT takes no responsibility for CI systems suffering fires, floods or plagues of locusts asa result
16:23:29 <jgriffith> DuncanT sorry pal, we're holding you responsible for ALL THE THINGS
16:23:37 <jgriffith> well, all the BAD things at least
16:24:11 <jgriffith> One other thing on the Cinder side that's needed is this:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480657/
16:24:21 <jgriffith> I think that's about all I have
16:24:27 <jgriffith> ildikov anything else from your side?
16:24:29 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Watching that one.
16:25:34 <ildikov> I think that's all
16:25:47 <smcginnis> jgriffith, ildikov: Thanks!
16:25:59 <ildikov> I mean we need to fix the shared connection issue and if we choose to do that in the fire fighting way, then, oh well :)
16:26:29 <smcginnis> In other words - storage vendors should really test this ASAP. :)
16:26:38 <smcginnis> jgriffith, ildikov: Thanks for the update.
16:26:48 <ildikov> yep
16:26:51 <ildikov> smcginnis: tnx
16:26:57 <smcginnis> I remembered what else I was going to say.
16:27:03 <smcginnis> CFP for the Summit is open.
16:27:17 <smcginnis> So if you have any ideas for interesting talks, submit them now.
16:27:26 <smcginnis> I think that closes soon (next week?).
16:27:32 <smcginnis> I don't have a link handy.
16:27:33 <jgriffith> interesting to myself or others?
16:27:34 <jgriffith> :)
16:27:46 <smcginnis> jgriffith: Either works. ;)
16:27:52 <jgriffith> haha!
16:28:06 <smcginnis> PTG registration is also open:
16:28:08 <smcginnis> #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-denver-2017-tickets-33219389087
16:28:29 <jgriffith> "Starting and training BLM adopted wild horses, do's and donts"
16:28:55 <smcginnis> You might get a lot of curious people to attend that one. :D
16:29:05 <jungleboyj> It closes June 14th US time.  Late in the day.
16:29:11 <smcginnis> jungleboyj: Thanks!
16:29:35 <DuncanT> June 14th? 3 weeks ago?
16:29:48 <smcginnis> s/June/July/
16:30:02 <smcginnis> Two letters off. :0
16:30:16 <smcginnis> DuncanT: Any chance of making it to either one for you?
16:30:22 <winston-d> which one closes on July 14th? PTG or Summit?
16:30:23 <jungleboyj> Sorry, July 14th.
16:30:28 <jungleboyj> Brain still on Holiday.
16:30:35 <smcginnis> winston-d: Summit talk proposals.
16:30:42 <winston-d> smcginnis: thx
16:31:19 <smcginnis> Hopefully we can get good turn out at the PTG. Be prepared with blood samples and passwords if you're entering the US.
16:31:32 * jungleboyj sighs
16:31:48 <jgriffith> :(
16:31:55 <xyang1> smcginnis: did you get any trouble coming back?
16:32:12 <smcginnis> xyang1: No, pretty easy for me.
16:32:29 <smcginnis> I suppose I should keep my mouth shut to keep it that way.
16:32:33 <jungleboyj> I am surprised, his new haircut looks suspicious.
16:32:38 <smcginnis> LOL
16:32:43 <xyang1> :)
16:32:59 <smcginnis> OK, anything else productive to talk about today?
16:34:08 <smcginnis> Alright, thanks everyone.
16:34:23 <smcginnis> #endmeeting