16:00:44 <jungleboyj> #startmeeting Cinder
16:00:44 <openstack> Meeting started Wed May  9 16:00:44 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:00:48 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'cinder'
16:01:04 <erlon_> Hey
16:01:04 <jungleboyj> Courtesy Ping:  jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki
16:01:10 <ganso> hello
16:01:12 <Swanson> Hello.
16:01:13 <geguileo> hi! o/
16:01:15 <jungleboyj> @!
16:01:15 <_pewp_> jungleboyj (;-_-)ノ
16:01:15 <smcginnis> o/
16:01:15 <tommylikehu> hello
16:01:30 <xyang> hi
16:01:34 <abishop> o/
16:01:41 <rajinir> o/
16:01:53 <gman-tx> o/
16:02:30 <hamdyk> hi
16:03:16 <jungleboyj> Ok, looks like we have a good group.  Lets get started.
16:03:36 <jungleboyj> Pretty light agenda today.
16:03:47 <jungleboyj> #topic announcements
16:04:00 <jungleboyj> Not a lot in the way of announcement right now.
16:04:25 <jungleboyj> The summit is coming up and hopefully everyone is getting some time to prepare for that.
16:04:33 <tbarron> hi
16:05:00 <jgriffith> Summit?  That's next month right?
16:05:25 <erlon> 19th
16:05:37 <jungleboyj> jgriffith: Starts two weeks from last Monday.
16:05:48 <smcginnis> jgriffith: :)
16:05:52 <jgriffith> smcginnis: :)
16:06:11 <jgriffith> smcginnis: the frightening thing is they believe I don't know
16:06:15 <jgriffith> :(
16:06:18 <jungleboyj> If you know of anyone who needs to get some OpenStack education have them sign up for OpenStack Upstream Institute
16:06:26 <jungleboyj> jgriffith:  :-p
16:06:50 <smcginnis> jgriffith: hehe
16:06:59 <jungleboyj> #link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/#upcoming-trainings
16:07:42 <jungleboyj> So, that is all I have there.
16:07:54 <jungleboyj> #topic Rocky Priorities Review
16:08:20 <jungleboyj> I just took a look through the etherpad and we have made good progress getting things merged since I last looked.
16:08:35 <jungleboyj> Thank you for the focus there and the work to get code submitted and merged.
16:09:20 <jungleboyj> I don't really have a lot more to share there unless others have updates ...
16:09:51 <smcginnis> Nope
16:10:00 <jungleboyj> Ok.
16:10:24 <jungleboyj> Already got the update from geguileo on HA development.
16:10:33 <jungleboyj> #topic Cinder Placement Discussion
16:10:50 <jungleboyj> We have the Cinder Placement Discussion at the Forum.
16:11:02 <jungleboyj> cdent has started an etherpad for that discussion:
16:11:12 <jungleboyj> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-cinder-placement
16:11:34 <jungleboyj> Think this is going to be an important discussion.
16:12:06 <jungleboyj> We need to understand what this means for Cinder so please add your thoughts there whether you will be at the Summit or not.
16:12:17 <geguileo> jungleboyj: I'm not going to the summit, so can I just give my -2 here?  };-)
16:12:34 <tommylikehu> geguileo:  oh no :)
16:12:38 <jungleboyj> geguileo:  Uh oh.
16:12:54 <jungleboyj> geguileo:  Do share.
16:13:06 <smcginnis> jgriffith: wanted to make sure you saw that too as far as standalone cinder implications. ^^
16:13:14 <jungleboyj> smcginnis:  ++
16:13:20 <geguileo> jungleboyj: I'll update the etherpad, but I think that's not a great idea
16:13:29 <geguileo> because all we need is to have the same view in all schedulers
16:13:44 <geguileo> and if we add a new service, and is deployed in active/active fashion
16:13:44 <smcginnis> geguileo: Do you think you will be available if we try to bring you in to the discussion via hangouts or something?
16:13:47 <geguileo> it will have the same problem
16:14:09 <geguileo> basically that's my concern, that it is unlikely to give us much that new placement service
16:14:21 <geguileo> besides having yet another service to maintain
16:14:34 <geguileo> more rabbitmq queues, more memory, etc
16:14:40 <geguileo> more DB connections
16:15:10 <geguileo> smcginnis: I will try to connect via hangouts or relay my concerns in the Etherpad and/or via IRC
16:15:18 <smcginnis> geguileo: OK great.
16:15:34 <geguileo> smcginnis: and thanks for pinging me about this on the cinder channel  :-)
16:15:52 <smcginnis> geguileo: Also, I need to check, but if you haven't added comments on the patch that brought this up, that would be good.
16:15:55 <jungleboyj> geguileo:  Sounds good.  If you are planning to try to attend via hangouts please let me know.
16:15:56 <smcginnis> ;)
16:16:24 <geguileo> smcginnis: I added my comments to the placement service spec
16:16:36 <geguileo> tommylikehu: the spec was yours, right iirc
16:16:55 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556529/
16:16:57 <tommylikehu> yeah
16:17:04 <geguileo> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559718/
16:17:13 <geguileo> And that one has my -2 in there with my comments
16:18:21 <tommylikehu> geguileo: I have same concerns  as you do, we should not introduce this if we can't find something really help us, but they can discuss it then
16:18:45 <jungleboyj> Ok.  So, we have concerns to raise.  We will see what they say and waht we can do.
16:19:02 <geguileo> tommylikehu: yeah, it's always worth the wile discussing these kind of things
16:19:24 <jungleboyj> geguileo:  ++
16:19:39 <smcginnis> Yeah, if we don't use it for this use case, at least we can hopefully have a better understanding of it and what use cases we may eventually want to use it for.
16:19:40 <jungleboyj> Maybe things that they haven't considered for the service.
16:19:43 <jgriffith> FWIW we already have "placemnt" semantics
16:19:49 <smcginnis> Or a better understanding of why we wouldn't ever want to use it.
16:19:55 <jungleboyj> smcginnis:  ++
16:20:12 <jgriffith> the A/A question is a different story and yes this is all mixed up at this point
16:20:23 <geguileo> smcginnis: +1
16:20:46 <geguileo> jgriffith: are we talking about A/A in placement? or something else?
16:21:05 <jgriffith> geguileo: that's sort of the problem IMO
16:21:16 <geguileo> I agree
16:21:25 <geguileo> Because if the solution is having an A/P service for the placement
16:21:35 <geguileo> then we might as well just run a single scheduler and we have it solved
16:21:36 <geguileo> rofl
16:21:42 <jgriffith> LOL
16:22:29 <jungleboyj> Well, there are multiple considerations here.
16:22:53 <jungleboyj> What can the Placement Service do?  What can go wrong with the current design?
16:23:33 <geguileo> OK, there is definitely discussion needed  :-)
16:24:21 <jungleboyj> Agreed.
16:24:37 <jungleboyj> So, please add notes to the etherpad.  Come join the discussion if you can.
16:24:49 <jungleboyj> We can try to bring others in via Hangouts if you can't be there.
16:25:32 <jungleboyj> I think we can move on.
16:26:25 <jungleboyj> #topic NVMeOF cinder backend
16:26:28 <jungleboyj> hamdyk:
16:26:37 <hamdyk> hi everyone
16:26:39 <hamdyk> this is a weekly reminder to review cinder NVMEoF commit
16:26:42 <hamdyk> :D
16:26:49 <hamdyk> I see smcginnis has +2 the commit, thank you
16:27:07 <jungleboyj> hamdyk:  Ok, good news. I will take a look.
16:27:28 <hamdyk> I think we are very close to get commit merged
16:27:45 <jungleboyj> Great.
16:27:53 <jungleboyj> #topic Open Discussion
16:28:04 <jungleboyj> Anyone have anything else they want to discuss?
16:28:05 <hamdyk> that's all
16:29:06 <jungleboyj> <insert cricket sound effect>
16:29:28 <hamdyk> hhhhhhhh
16:30:03 <jungleboyj> If not we can wrap up early ...
16:30:12 <walshh> Favor if I may
16:30:19 <jungleboyj> walshh:  Sure.
16:30:27 <walshh> I have 3 features with clean CI that need review
16:30:47 <walshh> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556780/8
16:30:48 <smcginnis> Please add any etherpads you are working on and get started content in those etherpads for the Forum.
16:30:51 <smcginnis> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Vancouver2018
16:31:20 <walshh> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557297/13
16:31:29 <walshh> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557448/16
16:31:32 <walshh> Thanks
16:32:55 <jungleboyj> smcginnis:  Thanks for the link.
16:33:09 <jungleboyj> walshh:  Thanks.  Will try to take a look now that CIs are passing.
16:33:30 <walshh> Appreciate it
16:33:39 <jungleboyj> Anything else for today?
16:34:50 <jungleboyj> Ok.  I will take that as a no.
16:35:09 <jungleboyj> Thank you everyone for attending and for continuing to work on Cinder!
16:35:24 <jungleboyj> Talk to you all next week.
16:35:29 <smcginnis> o/
16:35:43 <jungleboyj> #endmeeting