16:00:44 <jungleboyj> #startmeeting Cinder 16:00:44 <openstack> Meeting started Wed May 9 16:00:44 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:45 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:48 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' 16:01:04 <erlon_> Hey 16:01:04 <jungleboyj> Courtesy Ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki 16:01:10 <ganso> hello 16:01:12 <Swanson> Hello. 16:01:13 <geguileo> hi! o/ 16:01:15 <jungleboyj> @! 16:01:15 <_pewp_> jungleboyj (;-_-)ノ 16:01:15 <smcginnis> o/ 16:01:15 <tommylikehu> hello 16:01:30 <xyang> hi 16:01:34 <abishop> o/ 16:01:41 <rajinir> o/ 16:01:53 <gman-tx> o/ 16:02:30 <hamdyk> hi 16:03:16 <jungleboyj> Ok, looks like we have a good group. Lets get started. 16:03:36 <jungleboyj> Pretty light agenda today. 16:03:47 <jungleboyj> #topic announcements 16:04:00 <jungleboyj> Not a lot in the way of announcement right now. 16:04:25 <jungleboyj> The summit is coming up and hopefully everyone is getting some time to prepare for that. 16:04:33 <tbarron> hi 16:05:00 <jgriffith> Summit? That's next month right? 16:05:25 <erlon> 19th 16:05:37 <jungleboyj> jgriffith: Starts two weeks from last Monday. 16:05:48 <smcginnis> jgriffith: :) 16:05:52 <jgriffith> smcginnis: :) 16:06:11 <jgriffith> smcginnis: the frightening thing is they believe I don't know 16:06:15 <jgriffith> :( 16:06:18 <jungleboyj> If you know of anyone who needs to get some OpenStack education have them sign up for OpenStack Upstream Institute 16:06:26 <jungleboyj> jgriffith: :-p 16:06:50 <smcginnis> jgriffith: hehe 16:06:59 <jungleboyj> #link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/#upcoming-trainings 16:07:42 <jungleboyj> So, that is all I have there. 16:07:54 <jungleboyj> #topic Rocky Priorities Review 16:08:20 <jungleboyj> I just took a look through the etherpad and we have made good progress getting things merged since I last looked. 16:08:35 <jungleboyj> Thank you for the focus there and the work to get code submitted and merged. 16:09:20 <jungleboyj> I don't really have a lot more to share there unless others have updates ... 16:09:51 <smcginnis> Nope 16:10:00 <jungleboyj> Ok. 16:10:24 <jungleboyj> Already got the update from geguileo on HA development. 16:10:33 <jungleboyj> #topic Cinder Placement Discussion 16:10:50 <jungleboyj> We have the Cinder Placement Discussion at the Forum. 16:11:02 <jungleboyj> cdent has started an etherpad for that discussion: 16:11:12 <jungleboyj> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-cinder-placement 16:11:34 <jungleboyj> Think this is going to be an important discussion. 16:12:06 <jungleboyj> We need to understand what this means for Cinder so please add your thoughts there whether you will be at the Summit or not. 16:12:17 <geguileo> jungleboyj: I'm not going to the summit, so can I just give my -2 here? };-) 16:12:34 <tommylikehu> geguileo: oh no :) 16:12:38 <jungleboyj> geguileo: Uh oh. 16:12:54 <jungleboyj> geguileo: Do share. 16:13:06 <smcginnis> jgriffith: wanted to make sure you saw that too as far as standalone cinder implications. ^^ 16:13:14 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: ++ 16:13:20 <geguileo> jungleboyj: I'll update the etherpad, but I think that's not a great idea 16:13:29 <geguileo> because all we need is to have the same view in all schedulers 16:13:44 <geguileo> and if we add a new service, and is deployed in active/active fashion 16:13:44 <smcginnis> geguileo: Do you think you will be available if we try to bring you in to the discussion via hangouts or something? 16:13:47 <geguileo> it will have the same problem 16:14:09 <geguileo> basically that's my concern, that it is unlikely to give us much that new placement service 16:14:21 <geguileo> besides having yet another service to maintain 16:14:34 <geguileo> more rabbitmq queues, more memory, etc 16:14:40 <geguileo> more DB connections 16:15:10 <geguileo> smcginnis: I will try to connect via hangouts or relay my concerns in the Etherpad and/or via IRC 16:15:18 <smcginnis> geguileo: OK great. 16:15:34 <geguileo> smcginnis: and thanks for pinging me about this on the cinder channel :-) 16:15:52 <smcginnis> geguileo: Also, I need to check, but if you haven't added comments on the patch that brought this up, that would be good. 16:15:55 <jungleboyj> geguileo: Sounds good. If you are planning to try to attend via hangouts please let me know. 16:15:56 <smcginnis> ;) 16:16:24 <geguileo> smcginnis: I added my comments to the placement service spec 16:16:36 <geguileo> tommylikehu: the spec was yours, right iirc 16:16:55 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556529/ 16:16:57 <tommylikehu> yeah 16:17:04 <geguileo> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559718/ 16:17:13 <geguileo> And that one has my -2 in there with my comments 16:18:21 <tommylikehu> geguileo: I have same concerns as you do, we should not introduce this if we can't find something really help us, but they can discuss it then 16:18:45 <jungleboyj> Ok. So, we have concerns to raise. We will see what they say and waht we can do. 16:19:02 <geguileo> tommylikehu: yeah, it's always worth the wile discussing these kind of things 16:19:24 <jungleboyj> geguileo: ++ 16:19:39 <smcginnis> Yeah, if we don't use it for this use case, at least we can hopefully have a better understanding of it and what use cases we may eventually want to use it for. 16:19:40 <jungleboyj> Maybe things that they haven't considered for the service. 16:19:43 <jgriffith> FWIW we already have "placemnt" semantics 16:19:49 <smcginnis> Or a better understanding of why we wouldn't ever want to use it. 16:19:55 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: ++ 16:20:12 <jgriffith> the A/A question is a different story and yes this is all mixed up at this point 16:20:23 <geguileo> smcginnis: +1 16:20:46 <geguileo> jgriffith: are we talking about A/A in placement? or something else? 16:21:05 <jgriffith> geguileo: that's sort of the problem IMO 16:21:16 <geguileo> I agree 16:21:25 <geguileo> Because if the solution is having an A/P service for the placement 16:21:35 <geguileo> then we might as well just run a single scheduler and we have it solved 16:21:36 <geguileo> rofl 16:21:42 <jgriffith> LOL 16:22:29 <jungleboyj> Well, there are multiple considerations here. 16:22:53 <jungleboyj> What can the Placement Service do? What can go wrong with the current design? 16:23:33 <geguileo> OK, there is definitely discussion needed :-) 16:24:21 <jungleboyj> Agreed. 16:24:37 <jungleboyj> So, please add notes to the etherpad. Come join the discussion if you can. 16:24:49 <jungleboyj> We can try to bring others in via Hangouts if you can't be there. 16:25:32 <jungleboyj> I think we can move on. 16:26:25 <jungleboyj> #topic NVMeOF cinder backend 16:26:28 <jungleboyj> hamdyk: 16:26:37 <hamdyk> hi everyone 16:26:39 <hamdyk> this is a weekly reminder to review cinder NVMEoF commit 16:26:42 <hamdyk> :D 16:26:49 <hamdyk> I see smcginnis has +2 the commit, thank you 16:27:07 <jungleboyj> hamdyk: Ok, good news. I will take a look. 16:27:28 <hamdyk> I think we are very close to get commit merged 16:27:45 <jungleboyj> Great. 16:27:53 <jungleboyj> #topic Open Discussion 16:28:04 <jungleboyj> Anyone have anything else they want to discuss? 16:28:05 <hamdyk> that's all 16:29:06 <jungleboyj> <insert cricket sound effect> 16:29:28 <hamdyk> hhhhhhhh 16:30:03 <jungleboyj> If not we can wrap up early ... 16:30:12 <walshh> Favor if I may 16:30:19 <jungleboyj> walshh: Sure. 16:30:27 <walshh> I have 3 features with clean CI that need review 16:30:47 <walshh> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556780/8 16:30:48 <smcginnis> Please add any etherpads you are working on and get started content in those etherpads for the Forum. 16:30:51 <smcginnis> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Vancouver2018 16:31:20 <walshh> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557297/13 16:31:29 <walshh> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557448/16 16:31:32 <walshh> Thanks 16:32:55 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: Thanks for the link. 16:33:09 <jungleboyj> walshh: Thanks. Will try to take a look now that CIs are passing. 16:33:30 <walshh> Appreciate it 16:33:39 <jungleboyj> Anything else for today? 16:34:50 <jungleboyj> Ok. I will take that as a no. 16:35:09 <jungleboyj> Thank you everyone for attending and for continuing to work on Cinder! 16:35:24 <jungleboyj> Talk to you all next week. 16:35:29 <smcginnis> o/ 16:35:43 <jungleboyj> #endmeeting