16:01:02 <jungleboyj> #startmeeting Cinder
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16:01:09 <whoami-rajat> Hi
16:01:09 <smcginnis> o/
16:01:10 <geguileo> hi! o/
16:01:15 <m5z_|mszwed|> hi :)_
16:01:16 <walshh_> hi
16:01:27 <xyang> hi
16:01:27 <davidsha> Hey
16:01:38 <_erlon_> hey
16:01:43 <jungleboyj> @1
16:01:46 <jungleboyj> @!
16:01:46 <_pewp_> jungleboyj ( ･ω･)ﾉ
16:02:10 <lseki> o/
16:02:21 <_alastor_> o/
16:02:28 <davee__> o/
16:02:38 <jungleboyj> courtesy ping:
16:02:40 <jungleboyj> jungleboyj whoami-rajat rajinir lseki carloss pots woojay erlon geguileo eharney rosmaita enriquetaso e0ne smcginnis davidsha walshh_ xyang hemna _hemna eharney
16:02:48 <enriquetaso> hi o/
16:02:49 <eharney> hi
16:02:52 <woojay> hi
16:03:01 <andrewar_> hey, all
16:03:03 <e0ne> hi
16:03:09 <carloss> hi
16:03:19 <jungleboyj> Hey everyone.
16:03:31 <jungleboyj> Happy Wednesday.
16:04:18 <jungleboyj> Looks like we have a good crowd so lets get started.
16:04:25 <jungleboyj> #topic announcements
16:04:48 <jungleboyj> Just the usual reminder to work on reviewing specs and new drivers as we start approaching Milestone-2.
16:05:11 <jungleboyj> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:train-drivers
16:05:35 <jungleboyj> I need to take a quick look but think the RSD driver is more or less ready to go.
16:06:13 <jungleboyj> I also have a number of patches to unsupport or remove drivers.
16:06:24 <jungleboyj> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:train-driver-removal
16:06:35 <jungleboyj> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:ci_unsupported
16:06:44 <jungleboyj> Please take a look when you have a chance.
16:06:47 <rajinir> o/
16:07:10 <jungleboyj> Would be good to get those through before more merge conflicts come up.
16:07:42 <jungleboyj> Also, a reminder about the CI requirement for python 3.7
16:07:53 <jungleboyj> #link https://releases.openstack.org/train/schedule.html#t-cinder-py37-ci-running
16:08:17 <jungleboyj> Will start proposing removal patches for those not in compliance right after Milestone-2.
16:08:37 <jungleboyj> Think that is all I have for reminders/announcements
16:09:11 <jungleboyj> #topic Cherry Pick to stein: Fix shell upload-to-image with no volume type
16:09:28 <jungleboyj> Hmmm, doesn't look like LiangFang is here
16:09:37 <jungleboyj> Think that was just a review request.
16:09:42 <jungleboyj> I put my vote on it.
16:09:56 <jungleboyj> Anyone have anything else there?
16:10:02 <hemna> I'll take a look at the rsd driver again
16:10:11 <jungleboyj> hemna:  ++ Cool.  Thanks.
16:10:53 <jungleboyj> Next ...
16:11:03 <jungleboyj> #topic Shanghai PTG
16:11:18 <jungleboyj> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/007079.html
16:11:34 <jungleboyj> That e-mail went out yesterday.
16:12:03 <jungleboyj> So, we get to endure another long summit/PTG.  It isn't clear, however, I think there is some overlap between summit and PTG.
16:12:12 <jungleboyj> So, maybe it is a day shorter.  Not sure.
16:12:34 <jungleboyj> Not happy that they are talking about teams having to share rooms.  That never worked well in the past.
16:12:36 <jungleboyj> *Sigh*
16:12:37 <smcginnis> Yeah, I think the middle day is split.
16:12:42 <e0ne> Summit: Nov 4-6, 2019
16:12:48 <hemna> ugh
16:12:48 <e0ne> PTG: November 5-8, 2019
16:12:49 <e0ne> :(
16:12:58 <hemna> another weekend PTG ?!
16:12:59 <smcginnis> Oh, two day overlap.
16:13:11 <jungleboyj> smcginnis:  Oh, that is better.
16:13:34 <smcginnis> hemna: Looks like that's Mon-Fri
16:13:47 <hemna> ok, I hadn't looked on the cal. yet.
16:13:49 <jungleboyj> Given that the last day or so of the Summit was less useful.
16:14:11 <jungleboyj> So, I am just trying to get a feel as to if we could have a productive PTG.
16:14:20 <jungleboyj> Who thinks they have a chance of being in Shanghai?
16:14:37 <jungleboyj> Lenovo is planning to have me there.
16:14:56 <hemna> I'm less than 50/50
16:15:00 <hemna> probably a no
16:15:15 <jungleboyj> Ok.
16:15:17 <whoami-rajat> I think i will be there this time.
16:15:28 <jungleboyj> :-(  And doing remote will be rough with time differences.
16:15:34 <jungleboyj> whoami-rajat:  That is good news!
16:15:40 <smcginnis> I *think* I'l be there.
16:15:42 <hemna> yah probably impossible to do remote
16:16:26 <jungleboyj> smcginnis:  You better be.
16:16:28 <smcginnis> I doubt we can stream using Hangouts.
16:16:35 <enriquetaso> :(
16:16:42 <m5z_|mszwed|> there is a small chance that I'll be there
16:17:00 <jungleboyj> smcginnis:  Ok.  I am working on getting Zoom.
16:17:11 <_erlon_> smcginnis: we can stream, I thing is who will be able to join :)
16:17:19 <jungleboyj> I also have a VPN service that claims to work in China.
16:17:31 <_erlon_> Ill probably be there too
16:17:50 <_erlon_> ow, there's the firewall thing :/
16:17:53 * jungleboyj is not looking forward to being behind the great firewall.
16:18:07 <hemna> yah, pretty much makes networking to the outside world useless
16:18:11 <_erlon_> is there someone in China that can tell us what work what does not?
16:18:18 <whoami-rajat> smcginnis: the issues faced while preparing for denver summit gave me a good lesson to be probable everytime :)
16:18:45 <hemna> I have NordVPN, they claim to work inside china
16:18:55 <jungleboyj> _erlon_:  Yes, I have coworkers there.
16:19:41 <smcginnis> _erlon_: Nothing Google or most social media. Unless you are on a mobile with a US sim card.
16:20:05 <davee__> expressVPN and NordVPN work in China to outside world
16:20:07 <jungleboyj> Ugh, I guess PIA VPN is not longer guaranteed to work.
16:20:41 <smcginnis> I've heard VPNs that work can suddenly stop if they add more restrictions.
16:20:51 <enriquetaso> the big deal with stream, it's the sounds...
16:21:12 <smcginnis> I suppose we can still record and just publish after getting back over the wall.
16:21:58 <whoami-rajat> smcginnis: but then remote attendees can't have doubts and discussions real time
16:22:00 <jungleboyj> smcginnis:  Yeah, may have to do that.
16:22:45 <jungleboyj> Anyway, the other problem is that it sounds like we are going to have quite limited attendance.
16:23:13 <jungleboyj> This is going to make it even more important to get people to the mid-cycle if possible.
16:23:25 <smcginnis> ++
16:24:19 <jungleboyj> So, two questions to the team.  Do we want to plan to have meetings at the PTG?
16:24:28 <jungleboyj> If so, for how long?
16:24:42 <_erlon_> Next APAC summit should be in South Corea, close to China, Japan and has internet :)
16:24:59 <jungleboyj> :-)
16:25:52 <jungleboyj> I don't think we need to request more than 2 days based on recent experience.
16:26:06 <jungleboyj> We are usually done/burned out by the third day.
16:26:37 <whoami-rajat> jungleboyj: also depends on the topics proposed?
16:26:59 <jungleboyj> whoami-rajat:  True.  Unfortunately we need to request space long before we will know that.  :-)
16:27:23 <whoami-rajat> jungleboyj: oh.
16:27:26 * jungleboyj is concerned by the silence from everyone else.
16:27:59 <jungleboyj> 🥌
16:28:04 <_erlon_> jungleboyj: yeap, but considering the last summit, that we had a good attendance, and 2 days was enough. Considering less people, 2 days should definitelly be enough
16:28:21 <jungleboyj> _erlon_:  ++
16:28:28 <davee__> shhh, be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting cpmference attendees (in Elmer Fudd voice)
16:28:52 <jungleboyj> 🦖
16:28:58 <jungleboyj> davee__:  He he.
16:29:30 <jungleboyj> Ok, so what I am taking away from this is that people don't know if they are going to be in Shanghai.
16:29:58 <jungleboyj> No one is saying don't have a meeting.  So, I will request 2 days of PTG time.  If no one is going to show up I will cancel.
16:30:14 <whoami-rajat> jungleboyj: ++
16:30:14 <e0ne> jungleboyj: +1. good plan
16:30:25 <_erlon_> sounds good
16:30:28 <smcginnis> I'm sure there will be folks there, just a question of whether there will be enough to be useful.
16:31:11 <jungleboyj> I will again make a plea to joing the mid-cycle if at all possible given that that should be easier to attend than the Summit.
16:31:53 <davee__> Hong Kong would have been SO Much easoer
16:31:57 <davee__> easier
16:32:24 <andrewar_> mid cycle is in NYC?
16:32:38 <jungleboyj> mid-cycle is in Raleigh.  Let me get the link.
16:32:56 <jungleboyj> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-train-mid-cycle-planning
16:33:00 <andrewar_> thnx
16:33:51 <jungleboyj> Ok.  That was all I had on the agenda.
16:33:58 <jungleboyj> #topic open discussion
16:34:38 <smcginnis> There is an Ops Meetup in NYC that might be useful for anywhere where that's a convenient location.
16:35:19 <jungleboyj> When is that?
16:35:49 <andrewar_> sept 3,4
16:36:03 <smcginnis> Thanks, I didn't have that handly.
16:36:05 <smcginnis> *handy
16:36:06 <andrewar_> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-2nd-2019
16:36:18 <davee__> is there a link that shows all of the future meetings/sessions for all projects?  I am limited in how many I can attend in a year.
16:36:58 <smcginnis> davee__: The only official ones are the Summit/PTG events, with teams deciding on their own whether to have midcycles.
16:37:05 <smcginnis> It used to be more regular before the PTG.
16:37:25 <jungleboyj> Yeah.  I am not sure if other groups are doing the mid-cycle.
16:37:30 <davee__> thanks for the clarification
16:37:53 <jungleboyj> The Ops Meetups are semi-official too though.  Right?
16:38:16 <smcginnis> Yeah, but also organized independently by the Ops Meetup team.
16:38:27 <jungleboyj> Gothca.
16:38:32 <jungleboyj> *Gotcha
16:38:33 <smcginnis> Guess you just have to watch for announcements to figure out what's all happening.
16:39:05 <jungleboyj> So, any other topics for today?
16:40:39 <jungleboyj> Lots of silence.
16:40:47 <jungleboyj> I am taking that as a no then?
16:41:04 <davee__> OK, I'll bite: No
16:41:09 <jungleboyj> :-)
16:41:21 <jungleboyj> Glad to know IRC is still working.
16:41:37 * eharney just submitted an initial spec on volume rekey if people want something to look at
16:41:49 <davee__> good practice for being behind the Great Firewall
16:41:50 <jungleboyj> eharney:  Cool.  Thanks.
16:41:54 <eharney> will post my starting-to-work code today too
16:41:57 <jungleboyj> :-(
16:41:58 <smcginnis> davee__: Hah!
16:42:33 <jungleboyj> Ok.  So, I will give people 18 minutes back.
16:42:43 <jungleboyj> Thank you for joining the meeting and working on Cinder.
16:42:49 <jungleboyj> Talk to you all next week.
16:42:54 <andrewar_> ++
16:42:58 <e0ne> see you next week!
16:43:03 <jungleboyj> #endmeeting