16:01:50 <jungleboyj> #startmeeting Cinder
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16:01:56 <jungleboyj> I am here.
16:02:03 <e0ne> hi
16:02:06 <smcginnis> o/ :)
16:02:10 <walshh_> hi
16:02:15 <rosmaita> hello
16:02:17 <jungleboyj> @!j
16:02:17 <_pewp_> jungleboyj (._.) ~ ︵ ┻━┻
16:02:28 <jungleboyj> courtesy ping:  jungleboyj whoami-rajat rajinir lseki carloss pots woojay erlon geguileo eharney rosmaita enriquetaso e0ne smcginnis davidsha walshh_ xyang hemna _hemna tosky
16:02:39 <enriquetaso> o/
16:02:44 <davidsha> o/
16:02:46 <carloss> hi
16:02:48 <eharney> hi
16:02:51 <woojay> o/
16:02:58 <whoami-rajat> Hi
16:03:39 <jungleboyj> @!
16:03:39 <_pewp_> jungleboyj (*´･д･)ﾉ
16:03:39 <pots> o/
16:04:29 <jungleboyj> Ok.  Lets get started.
16:04:48 <jungleboyj> #topic announcements:
16:05:10 <jungleboyj> Hopefully everyone knows by now that we have the mid-cycle next week.
16:05:21 <jungleboyj> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-train-mid-cycle-planning
16:05:36 <jungleboyj> Please add topics to the etherpad so that this is a productive time for us all.
16:05:48 * jungleboyj glares at smcginnis  for abandoning us
16:05:51 <jungleboyj> ;-)
16:05:52 <smcginnis> :P
16:06:37 <jungleboyj> We have a good start in there.  I am going to go through our PTG and last mid-cycle notes I know there are to-dos in there that haven't been addressed.
16:06:49 <jungleboyj> I will cover more details later in the meeting.
16:07:02 <jungleboyj> That was all I had for announcements.
16:07:23 <jungleboyj> #topic cinderclient CLI version negotiation needs a look
16:07:39 <jungleboyj> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/664430/
16:07:47 <eharney> well, mostly asking for reviews here, Sean gave some feedback that i added more information around
16:07:55 <eharney> also wanted to check in on the whole major version bump plan in general
16:08:34 <jungleboyj> eharney:  I thought this was what we were already doing.
16:08:34 <smcginnis> Just added this to the midcycle etherpad - https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-cinderclient+branch:master+topic:major_bump
16:08:54 <smcginnis> We need to coordinate that work and make sure we get everything we want in.
16:09:26 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: ++ Sounds good.
16:10:03 <jungleboyj> I don't really like that there is now error for using a version that is newer than what you requested but if that is what Nova does we should be consistent.
16:10:30 <jungleboyj> I suppose you are going to get some sort of error anyway because what you are trying to do isn't supported yet.
16:11:34 <jungleboyj> I guess I would feel better if we had documentation and a release note indicating that behavior to go with the patch.
16:11:47 <eharney> that makes sense
16:12:24 <eharney> so we're going to aim to land all of the major bump patches somewhere close to the client freeze deadline?
16:13:23 <jungleboyj> eharney:  Yeah, we should put group review of the patches early in the mid-cycle so we can try to shepherd things through.
16:14:01 <eharney> ok
16:14:04 <whoami-rajat> do we show a msg to user regarding the set version is higher than maximum and the max api version is used instead?
16:14:33 <jungleboyj> whoami-rajat:  That would be consistent and create a better UX.
16:15:20 <eharney> not sure i follow
16:15:46 <jungleboyj> At least put out a 'WARNING' type message that it is falling back.
16:16:05 <jungleboyj> If they try, it doesn't work, they run with debug on or whatever they at least get more info.
16:16:14 <whoami-rajat> if a user sets OS_VOLUME_API_VERSION = 3.90 and max version supported is 3.56, the user should know 3.90 doesn't exist or isn't supported and their max version supported is 3.56
16:16:56 <eharney> i just modeled the behavior here after how things already work in nova and manila
16:17:15 <whoami-rajat> jungleboyj:  ++
16:17:21 <eharney> printing warnings gets interesting with the "i have a script that parses CLI output" user base
16:17:33 <jungleboyj> eharney:  Right.
16:17:56 <smcginnis> I think the concensus I've seen lately has been that CLI output is not an API.
16:18:24 <jungleboyj> smcginnis:  That is a good consensus.
16:18:25 <eharney> except for the CLIs that output json/csv?
16:18:34 <clarkb> well you can emit warnings and such to stderr
16:18:40 <eharney> true
16:18:46 <rosmaita> clarkb: ++
16:18:47 <clarkb> and output regular content that scripts might care about to stdout
16:19:01 <smcginnis> That makes sense to me.
16:19:27 <e0ne> clarkb: +1
16:19:50 <jungleboyj> clarkb: ++
16:20:04 <jungleboyj> eharney:  Are you ok with that approach?
16:20:17 <eharney> adding a warning message if the requested version is downgraded? yes
16:20:39 <jungleboyj> MVs are confusing and a PITA as it is.  Anything we can do to make them less confusing is good.
16:20:50 <jungleboyj> eharney:  Right, but don't change functionality.
16:22:08 <eharney> i'll try to get some doc and examples together for next week
16:22:55 <jungleboyj> eharney:  Sounds good.
16:22:58 <jungleboyj> Thank you!
16:23:12 <jungleboyj> That is a good change to get in.  I thought we already had that done.  :-)
16:23:33 <jungleboyj> Anything else on that topic?
16:23:40 <eharney> nope
16:23:45 <jungleboyj> Okie Dokie.
16:23:53 <jungleboyj> So, details for next week.
16:24:05 <jungleboyj> #topic Details for Next Week's Mid-cycle
16:24:29 <jungleboyj> I have put my Cell phone in the etherpad.
16:24:42 <jungleboyj> I have also added my arrival/departure times.
16:25:15 <jungleboyj> For those of you that didn't see I am timezone challenged. So, we won't be meeting until 10 am because that is all the earlier I reserved the room and I couldn't get anything else.
16:25:25 <jungleboyj> So, we will have kind-of lazy mornings.
16:25:46 <jungleboyj> I am bringing the usual recording equipment and the room should be much the same as last time.
16:26:40 <jungleboyj> Rather than dealing with food service figured we would just make trips to the cafe downstairs for coffee and snacks when people want.  Lenovo will cover.  It is cheaper and easier that way.
16:26:54 * jungleboyj should find my badge.
16:27:02 <rosmaita> i think we should all bring headsets so we can all get into zoom or whatever if necessary
16:27:15 <rosmaita> make it easier on the remote attendees
16:27:31 <jungleboyj> Sure.  Can do.  I am hoping I might have Zoom working but I am not sure.
16:27:35 <whoami-rajat> rosmaita: ++
16:27:48 <jungleboyj> rosmaita: That is a good idea.  Hadn't thought of that before.
16:28:19 <jungleboyj> Supposedly my trial Zoom account ends this week but I haven't seen any indication of that.
16:28:40 <rosmaita> i think we could use my bluejeans account if necessary
16:28:52 <enriquetaso> rosmaita++
16:28:54 <jungleboyj> rosmaita: ++ Oh, that would be so much better.
16:29:26 <jungleboyj> Assume we can record those.
16:29:33 <rosmaita> i think i can even record in bluejeans, but need to check
16:29:40 <rosmaita> maybe eharney knows?
16:29:43 <jungleboyj> Sweet.
16:29:48 <eharney> it records, but may have some time limit
16:30:05 <rosmaita> ok, i will take an action item to get that info today
16:30:30 <jungleboyj> I will still record to YouTube to be safe and to keep that record.
16:30:50 <jungleboyj> rosmaita:  Check out what is possible and we can coordinate to be ready for next week.
16:30:56 <rosmaita> ack
16:31:24 <jungleboyj> Using some sort of official meeting platform would be good though.
16:32:30 <jungleboyj> Any other questions/concerns?
16:32:50 <jungleboyj> Assume we will do the usual lunch together and grab dinner afterwards one night.
16:33:03 <jungleboyj> or both nights.
16:33:05 <jungleboyj> :-)
16:34:17 <jungleboyj> I am planning that we should be able to wrap up by mid-day Friday.  If not I do have one conflicting meeting that I will need to step out for at 1:30.
16:34:50 <jungleboyj> Then we have the big party at eharney 's house on Friday night.
16:34:57 <jungleboyj> :-)
16:35:01 <eharney> sweet
16:35:06 <e0ne> :)
16:35:12 <jungleboyj> Wondered if IRC was still working.  Had to check.
16:35:30 <jungleboyj> Ok.  Any question/concerns on that topic?
16:35:37 <rosmaita> nope
16:36:23 <enriquetaso> nope
16:36:27 <jungleboyj> Ok.  That was all I had on the agenda.
16:36:34 <jungleboyj> #topic Open Discussion
16:36:52 <jungleboyj> As usual, if you are a remote attendee watch the Etherpad and IRC for details.
16:37:37 <jungleboyj> Anyone have other topics for today?
16:37:52 <zhengMa> Hi team, looking forward to reviewing https://review.opendev.org/#/c/668825/
16:38:51 <jungleboyj> zhengMa:  Sure.  Will make sure to take a look through that.
16:39:38 <zhengMa> And more, there's a similar patch   https://review.opendev.org/#/c/674758/ , do we have to do some changes because of this?
16:39:50 <zhengMa> jungleboyj: thank you!
16:40:05 <eharney> i don't think you have to change anything because of that patch
16:40:25 <jungleboyj> eharney:  ++
16:41:47 <zhengMa> eharney: thank you, but will the compression configuration be confusing?
16:42:36 <eharney> your feature only does anything if you choose to upload as a new format to glance, right?
16:43:06 <zhengMa> that's right
16:43:19 <eharney> the other one only applies compression transparently inside of the qcow2 format
16:43:32 <eharney> and doesn't require any particular configuration etc
16:43:42 <eharney> so i think it's ok
16:43:57 <zhengMa> eharney: ok, got it, thank you
16:44:41 <jungleboyj> Anything else for today?
16:44:48 <whoami-rajat> So i've the base frame of the bp ready, i still need to optimize the tests but would appreciate reviews on the functional code
16:44:49 <whoami-rajat> cinder : https://review.opendev.org/#/c/639180/
16:44:49 <whoami-rajat> cinderlib : https://review.opendev.org/#/c/674826/
16:46:41 <jungleboyj> Wheee, that is a big patch.
16:46:50 <jungleboyj> Ok.  Will find some time to look at that.
16:46:53 <jungleboyj> whoami-rajat:  Thanks for working on that.
16:47:45 <whoami-rajat> jungleboyj: np, the existing tests needed to include the volume type that made the patch big
16:47:48 <jungleboyj> That would be good to get reviewed and agreed upon before the end of the mid-cycle as well since there was some controversy over it in the past.
16:48:00 <whoami-rajat> jungleboyj: i will try to minimize it more
16:48:24 <whoami-rajat> jungleboyj: thanks!
16:48:43 <jungleboyj> Anything else?
16:49:03 <whoami-rajat> Nothing from my side
16:49:12 <jungleboyj> Ok good.
16:49:34 <jungleboyj> Just a note that we won't have this meeting next week as it will be during the mid-cycle.  So we will just be having one big meeting.  :-)
16:50:19 <jungleboyj> I think that is it for today then.
16:50:29 <jungleboyj> Thank you everyone and I look forward to seeing some of you next week.
16:50:43 <rosmaita> bye!
16:50:45 <jungleboyj> #endmeeting