16:00:08 <ildikov> #startmeeting cinder-nova-api-changes
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16:00:13 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'cinder_nova_api_changes'
16:00:18 <ildikov> johnthetubaguy jaypipes e0ne jgriffith hemna mriedem patrickeast smcginnis diablo_rojo xyang xyang1 raj_singh lyarwood jungleboyj stvnoyes
16:00:45 <mriedem> o/
16:00:52 <jungleboyj> @!
16:00:52 <_pewp_> jungleboyj (=ﾟωﾟ)ﾉ
16:01:15 <ildikov> hi :)
16:02:02 <ildikov> not sure how many more people we will get today, so let's start
16:02:09 <smcginnis> o/
16:02:30 <ildikov> our status is basically here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/multi-attach-volume+(status:open+OR+status:merged)
16:02:43 <ildikov> many tempest tests are on the gate right now
16:02:52 <ildikov> thanks to mriedem to pushing it through
16:03:40 <ildikov> mriedem: I guess we want to land the gate job patches and the Devstack change too?
16:04:00 <jungleboyj> Yay.
16:04:57 <mriedem> ildikov: need mtreinish to review the devstack patch probably
16:05:10 <mriedem> and yes landing the actual CI job to make sure we don't regress would be nice
16:05:20 <mriedem> i haven't been harassing people about that yet though
16:05:30 <ildikov> do you want me to?
16:06:08 <ildikov> I just wasn't 100% sure about our confidence level, but prolly would be good to have it before RC1
16:06:22 <mriedem> i don't consider it urgent right now
16:06:23 <mriedem> so no
16:06:31 <mriedem> i'll bug people after rc1
16:06:54 <ildikov> ok, then I will quietly sit on my butt for now
16:07:09 <mriedem> so end of meeting yeah?
16:07:13 <mriedem> :)
16:07:23 <mriedem> i would like to get to a point where we don't have a weekly meeting
16:07:24 <ildikov> smcginnis has a bugfix up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539710/
16:07:37 <ildikov> jungleboyj: jgriffith: ^^
16:07:49 <ildikov> multiattach flag in volume create + policy
16:08:02 <mriedem> ah so same as the attach fix,
16:08:03 <mriedem> but volume create
16:08:11 <ildikov> mriedem: I'm so sad to hear that
16:08:25 <jungleboyj> ildikov:  Ok, Looking.
16:08:31 <smcginnis> That just adds policy checking to the flag path to be consistent.
16:08:35 <ildikov> mriedem: it's to have setting the flag going through the same policy check as the volume_type case
16:09:05 <mriedem> yeah, i guess i was thinking of this one https://github.com/openstack/cinder/commit/a32e24ff3e2c3083b42dd3654355f8c101363147#diff-33011bbeb0dd51161827701307e6d033
16:09:30 <ildikov> mriedem: yeah, it's kind of a follow up on that one
16:09:34 <smcginnis> mriedem: Yeah, a follow on from a comment later on that one.
16:10:19 <jungleboyj> Approved.
16:10:45 <ildikov> beyond this we have PTG planning and I guess we can figure out the next steps there
16:11:11 <jungleboyj> Yeah, we need to figure out when we are doing CP meeting?
16:11:12 <mtreinish> mriedem: do you have a link to what I need to review?
16:11:12 <smcginnis> jungleboyj, mriedem: Is there another nova-cinder session planned already?
16:11:17 <jungleboyj> Thursday morning as usual?
16:11:30 <jungleboyj> smcginnis:  Of course there will be.  It is tradition.
16:11:39 <smcginnis> ;)
16:11:50 <mriedem> mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266633/
16:12:02 <smcginnis> Probably need to rope in melwitt as well for planning.
16:12:08 <mriedem> she's not PTL yet
16:12:15 <smcginnis> yet
16:12:16 <mriedem> and no there is nothing explicit in the schedule
16:12:28 <mriedem> you never know, ryan gossling could show up and run at the last minute
16:12:44 <jungleboyj> He he he.
16:12:44 <smcginnis> hah
16:12:47 <mriedem> and he's f'ing DREAMY
16:12:56 * mriedem was watching the new blade runner last night
16:13:04 <ildikov> mriedem: +1 :)
16:13:11 * jungleboyj was watching Frankie and Grace where they sit on his face.
16:13:22 <mriedem> and jay ruins it as usual
16:13:25 <jungleboyj> It is just a chair though.
16:13:32 <smcginnis> OK, good meeting, see you all next time..
16:13:33 <mriedem> so...i haven't looked at ptg schedule yet
16:13:41 <ildikov> lol
16:13:42 <jungleboyj> Sorry, I haven't slept much this week.
16:13:58 <ildikov> yeah, I hoped we can run with some traditional slot
16:14:08 <mriedem> looks like http://ptg.openstack.org/ needs some updating
16:14:18 <ildikov> I also reached out to the Scientific SIG folks as they had a plan to use it
16:14:22 <mriedem> https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Rocky-PTG-Discussion-Rooms ?
16:14:37 <mriedem> anyone have the latest schedule / rooms?
16:14:45 <smcginnis> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRmqAAQZA1rIzlNJpVp-X60-z6jMn_95BKWtf0csGT9LkDharY-mppI25KjiuRasmK413MxXcoSU7ki/pubhtml?gid=1374855307
16:14:56 <smcginnis> That's the only/latest I've seen.
16:15:03 <ildikov> also have notes from the old E// days regarding how people would wish to use this thing
16:15:26 <mriedem> penciling in thursday morning sounds ok to me
16:15:35 <mriedem> i'll update the nova etherpad
16:15:36 <jungleboyj> I would say lets just plan to meet Thursday morning.
16:15:44 <jungleboyj> Use which ever team has the better room.
16:15:53 <ildikov> Thursday morning it is
16:15:53 <jungleboyj> I can coordinate with mriedem  and melwitt
16:16:00 <ildikov> will let people know
16:16:17 <jungleboyj> That gives each team time to prep on Wednesday.
16:16:37 <ildikov> yep, agreed
16:17:21 <jungleboyj> If ryan gosling is running for Nova who is going to swoop in for Cinder?
16:17:21 <ildikov> ok, that's done, the topic is already added to the Nova etherpad
16:17:36 <jungleboyj> Adding it to CInder.
16:17:51 <ildikov> we can create a separate etherpad for it if we wish, I'm easy
16:18:29 <ildikov> mtreinish: tnx :)
16:18:45 <ildikov> so patches are taken care of, so is the PTG
16:19:26 <ildikov> is there anything on the documentation side of this that should get done?
16:19:48 <ildikov> I know we added release notes and the support-matrix in Nova and warnings here and there
16:19:49 <smcginnis> We should probably have some more admin guide information.
16:20:15 <jungleboyj> smcginnis: ++
16:20:21 <ildikov> smcginnis: good point
16:20:26 <mriedem> the cinder api-ref has also been updated a bit for things like retype
16:20:32 <mriedem> but yeah overall admin guide would be good
16:20:49 <ildikov> I can look into the admin guide next week
16:21:00 <mriedem> how to create a multiattach volume type, RO / RW issues, retype issues, backend support, etc
16:21:11 <mriedem> policy rules
16:21:16 <mriedem> where do we want that to live?
16:21:26 <mriedem> probably cinder
16:21:42 <mriedem> or both, and reference each other
16:21:44 <ildikov> the most part in Cinder
16:22:11 <ildikov> and add some relevant details and reference to Nova
16:22:23 <ildikov> would be my choice
16:22:25 <mriedem> ok, i could start an outline
16:22:28 <jungleboyj> mriedem:  I don't like duplicating documentation.
16:22:30 <mriedem> and you could fill it all in
16:22:35 <mriedem> jungleboyj: me neither
16:22:41 <ildikov> mriedem: sounds good
16:22:53 <jungleboyj> We should have it in one place or the other and have a reference.
16:23:04 <mriedem> we'll put it in cinder, most of the details are there,
16:23:12 <mriedem> it can link to the compute feature support matrix for which drivers support it
16:23:12 <jungleboyj> mriedem: ++
16:23:53 <ildikov> ok, can do that
16:24:20 <ildikov> we can always revisit if there's any problematic Nova feature, like the shelve stuff and add some notes there
16:24:53 <ildikov> ok, cool
16:25:17 <ildikov> mriedem: ping me when the outline is ready and then I'll take care of the rest from there
16:25:23 <mriedem> will do
16:25:28 <ildikov> mriedem: thank you
16:26:03 <ildikov> as for documentation, I will write up a SuperUser article and get it published when the release is out
16:26:11 <smcginnis> ++
16:26:16 <ildikov> let me know if any of you would want to participate
16:26:45 <smcginnis> ildikov: I'm not volunteering for anything. ;)
16:26:49 <mriedem> i might be interested in that
16:26:58 <ildikov> smcginnis: you better not ;)
16:27:21 <ildikov> smcginnis: mriedem: will put the draft in a Google doc and share it with you
16:27:48 <jungleboyj> ildikov:  Let me know if you need anything.
16:27:55 <jungleboyj> That is a great iday though.
16:28:32 <jungleboyj> *idea
16:28:46 <ildikov> jungleboyj: a Stargate and a time machine; thank you :)
16:29:20 <ildikov> and last, but not least we will also propose a session for the Vancouver Summit on this
16:29:26 <jungleboyj> ildikov:  I would settle for a teleporter.
16:29:33 <jungleboyj> ildikov:  ++
16:29:43 <ildikov> I would like to have a panel that we start with a technical presentation part
16:29:53 <jungleboyj> Nice.
16:30:14 <mriedem> tbd
16:30:26 <ildikov> and then look into the community efforts and how we might be able to do things better in the future
16:31:18 <mriedem> what i was planning on submitting,
16:31:33 <mriedem> was more technical in nature, with some history and retrospective, but not overwhelmingly so
16:31:34 <ildikov> and hope to have mriedem, jgriffith and stvnoyes up on stage
16:31:42 <mriedem> i personally don't care for panel sessions
16:32:04 <mriedem> "so jim, what do you think?" "oh i don't know, it's fine"
16:32:30 <ildikov> mriedem: well, I think the cross-project discussion is interesting for others as well and I haven't checked, but I guess we have a limit on number of presenters
16:32:32 <mriedem> i'll be working on an abstract probably tomorrow for what i was going to submit
16:32:47 <mriedem> i haven't checked either, but i think i've seen 4
16:32:58 * jungleboyj is laughing
16:32:59 <mriedem> and stvnoyes is checking if he'll even be in vancouver
16:33:15 <mriedem> anywho, we don't really need to get into this here
16:33:18 <mriedem> end meeting?
16:33:20 <smcginnis> I think they capped presenters to 3, but that might be different for panels.
16:33:48 <ildikov> mriedem: we can chat about the proposal later, just wanted to share the idea
16:33:55 <ildikov> one more question
16:34:05 <ildikov> do we want meetings until the PTG?
16:34:08 <mriedem> no
16:34:16 <jungleboyj> No.  :-)
16:34:23 <mriedem> if we need to talk, we know where we are
16:34:33 <ildikov> good
16:35:12 <ildikov> then let's revisit at the PTG whether we need to resurrect the meetings or not
16:35:19 <smcginnis> ++
16:35:32 <ildikov> it was my pleasure to work on this with you gentlemen!
16:35:47 <jungleboyj> Sounds good.  Thank you so much everyone!
16:35:53 <ildikov> let's keep in touch on the channels on the few action items we have for now
16:36:56 <ildikov> thank you everyone!!!
16:37:24 <ildikov> #endmeeting