15:01:25 #startmeeting climate 15:01:26 Meeting started Fri Jan 24 15:01:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DinaBelova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:27 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:29 The meeting name has been set to 'climate' 15:01:32 o/ 15:01:40 hello everyone :) 15:01:44 who's here? 15:02:04 bauzas, joel_c f_rossigneux, scroiset? 15:02:12 o/ 15:02:22 scroiset is off today 15:02:29 and f_rossigneux too 15:02:41 when I've got days off I always go to meetings :D 15:02:43 feelink like a lone soul :) 15:02:53 ok, Nick is afk now I see 15:03:01 we'll be alone today :D 15:03:36 joel_c, you here? 15:03:41 yes 15:03:44 hi 15:03:46 wow :) 15:03:52 we're not alone in the dark \o/ 15:04:04 ok, let's start 15:04:13 our agenda is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Climate 15:04:30 #topic Action items from the last meeting + reviews queries 15:04:41 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-01-17-15.00.html 15:04:51 last meeting ended with 3 action items 15:05:08 yup 15:05:17 I suppose I almost close to oslo.messaging 15:05:28 yep agreed 15:05:30 cause soon change helping me with that will be merged 15:05:43 and after that we may add it to 0.1.1 15:06:07 bauzas, what's with your action items? 15:06:19 well, I got the incubation checklist item 15:06:28 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59454/2/reference/incubation-integration-requirements 15:06:35 thx 15:07:10 ok, as for current code status 15:07:22 for the second action : https://bugs.launchpad.net/climate/+bug/1272371 15:07:27 (just created it) 15:07:33 I understood that :) 15:07:36 ok 15:07:49 we have two important changes to be merged 15:07:57 that are stoppers for 0.1 now 15:07:57 I'm here 15:08:04 Nikolay_St, o/ 15:08:13 1/ VM plugin 15:08:18 2/ Nova API extensions 15:08:26 1/ is still under test 15:08:34 and still bugging 15:08:51 about unshelve action which is not part of v1_1 novaclient 15:09:02 bauzas, although last your trace seems to be quite strange to me 15:09:15 ok, let's discuss that off this meeting 15:09:33 2/ will test it once 1/ is validated :D 15:09:46 bauzas, I see problem here 15:09:46 running out of people now for helping me 15:09:54 unshelving seems to be supported 15:09:58 in current master 15:10:07 but not for tag 2.15.0 15:10:15 exactly 15:10:43 I don't want to discuss about resolution, but how can it have been working before ? 15:10:50 that's for master https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/master/novaclient/v1_1/servers.py#L625 15:10:52 simple. 15:11:00 we use devstack 15:11:16 and it uses latest master branch 15:11:16 I suppose that's because Nick had lab with master branch 15:11:31 problem here is that we NEED this change 15:11:36 although I'm testing climate on a venv 15:12:04 DinaBelova: +1 15:12:08 that's a huge issue 15:12:16 we can't use the client 15:12:25 for unshelving 15:12:36 or at lease until it's released 15:13:04 bauzas, but using some direct requests to Nova also seems bad to me 15:13:46 http://pypi.openstack.org/openstack/python-novaclient/ 15:13:53 2.15.0 is really old 15:14:08 yeap, another time 15:14:10 DinaBelova: yep 15:14:33 DinaBelova: may be it'll be better to push a letter to the mailing list? 15:14:40 I suppose, Nick, you may try to ask Nova guys about the same you did for keystoneclient 15:14:41 yep 15:14:46 Nikolay_St, exactly 15:14:57 that's something we need to prevent for the next times 15:14:58 because Sep 2013 seems to be really weird for me 15:15:12 hold on 15:15:17 ? 15:15:22 I can shelve/unshelve with the client 15:15:27 0_0 15:15:34 by the shell I mean 15:15:41 em 15:15:45 how? 15:15:50 lemme check 15:15:50 wow 15:16:07 ok, let's spend a minute 15:16:35 but still, we need to make sure we don't test against master ;) 15:16:48 for the reqs I mean 15:16:55 I got it 15:17:15 still 15:17:27 Nick, will you write letter to ML anyway? 15:17:37 yeap 15:17:39 #action Nikolay_St write to ML about novaclient 15:18:36 ok, shall we move to next topic? 15:18:58 #topic Current status for the Climate 0.1.0 (testing, possible release postponing till Jan 27) 15:19:11 we now have problems to solve 15:19:46 but I believe we have good chances on having release Jan 27 (evening CET) 15:19:49 smth like that 15:20:26 when we'll fix VM plugin and test it - we're almost there 15:20:40 bauzas, Nikolay_St, any objections? 15:20:50 +1 15:20:51 no, I don't think so 15:20:56 ok 15:20:57 great 15:21:09 so now we'll have two really interesting topics :) 15:21:18 #topic Future plans for 0.1.1 (bug fixing, small features, etc.) 15:21:51 for now I already see something we decided to scope fro 0.1.1 15:21:57 #link https://launchpad.net/climate/+milestone/0.1.1 15:22:27 Also I should move to that BP list writing documentation for climate 15:22:30 moment 15:22:42 agree 15:23:08 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/+spec/wiki-pages 15:23:11 here it is 15:23:50 I suppose if we'll have noncritical bugs/whatever found while 0.1 testing 15:23:58 we'll also scope them for 0.1 15:24:21 I think that's not so interesting 15:24:37 the most nice topic for today is the next one 15:24:48 for 0.1.1, yeah? 15:24:48 sure 15:25:06 ok. i'll move on it 15:25:11 #topic Future plans for 0.2 (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-0.2) 15:25:20 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-0.2 15:25:38 here is small Etherpad page 15:25:47 where I propose to share ideas about 0.2 15:26:21 Sylvain & I have written there something already 15:26:39 yeap, I have no time today to write my thoughts 15:26:43 that's open to your comments 15:26:48 JoelC, I suppose you might have some ideas there too 15:26:50 :) 15:27:02 but, also I think about Neutron reservations 15:27:17 Nikolay_St, please add this point there 15:27:31 JoelC, you are welcome to share your ideas 15:28:08 JoelC, we saw your comments on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/+spec/notifications 15:28:13 DinaBelova: I'do it on weekend 15:28:19 Nikolay_St, tnx 15:28:29 yes. i am reviewing the climate-.2 etherpad. looks interesting.. ultimately we are looking to drive our life cycle management needs from climate. climate being the source of many of the events. 15:28:47 we anticipate having workflows that will be triggered by these events 15:29:12 JoelC, are you speaking about notifications here as events? 15:29:16 the Ceilometer integration should match your needs 15:29:16 based on what BP around hooks/notifications and the direction you are headed I think we will have the integration points to make this a reality 15:29:31 not really 15:29:51 so I guess you want to do actions on an event ? 15:30:22 correct 15:30:39 like "lease has started" -> "do smth" 15:30:40 ? 15:30:51 when a user is entitled today we have custom code that integrates with openstack and creates the project, etc. 15:31:25 in the future we will enhance this to store more meta detail within openstack ... hopefully in the generic meta repository in glance but we will see how that plays out 15:31:42 that meta data will drive business logic we hope to exist as workflows in mistral 15:32:01 JoelC, great idea 15:32:46 JoelC: why aren't you using Heat for this ? 15:32:49 most of our projects will be using leases so we are hoping we can get climate to send events (lease started, lease about to expire, lease expired, etc..) 15:33:01 we do use heat for complex collections 15:33:17 projects are associated to our business units 15:33:21 because Ceilometer can send events to Heat 15:33:32 each team / BU will have several projects 15:33:55 bauzas, I suppose there is one thing here - Climate should a source of events 15:34:04 because these events are Climate specific 15:34:17 those that are not "production" will be forced to get a lease.... this concept is part of our integrated service management and resource management 15:34:18 yup, I'm thinking of the workflow Climate -> Ceilo -> Heat 15:34:41 for providing actions upon events 15:35:08 but still, we can define some custom hooks, I agree 15:35:18 bauzas, I'm not sure JoelC is speaking about actions that Heat might be processing 15:35:25 one of the workflows that we would like to realize this year would be to send notification on expiration, backup the vm and delete it. 15:35:28 where you map extra actions that you need to do 15:36:10 JoelC: okay, gotcha 15:36:24 JoelC, i think that's more than implementable 15:36:25 :) 15:37:15 ok 15:37:16 ok, anything left to discuss for 0.2 ? 15:37:36 I think no 15:37:58 ok 15:38:02 #topic Open discussion 15:38:23 something to discuss? 15:38:24 :) 15:38:39 I suppose we just should have 0.1 asap 15:38:51 and then continue working on everything else 15:39:20 JoelC, please don't mind to describe your use cases and ideas in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-0.2 15:39:43 JoelC, am I right you want to participate in Climate implementing with your team? 15:39:56 will do. we look forward to pulling down .1 and getting more involved in realizing .2. thanks. 15:40:17 correct.. we need to get more involved. 15:40:38 JoelC, it's really good news :) 15:40:51 Because speaking about 0.2 scope 15:41:08 there are much to do :) 15:41:13 And it'll be interesting :) 15:41:23 bauzas, anything to add? 15:41:23 DinaBelova: I also have some people wanting to join us 15:41:29 bauzas, wow 15:41:30 :) 15:41:34 It's X-mas for me :) 15:41:36 DinaBelova: that's still to discuss 15:41:53 bauzas, let me know about results of this discussion 15:42:02 DinaBelova: of course ;) 15:42:07 nice 15:42:18 ok, let's return to 0.1 :) 15:42:28 and test/fix it asap :) 15:42:31 bye 15:42:32 :) 15:42:34 bye 15:42:47 #endmeeting