00:01:25 <ekcs> #startmeeting congressteammeeting 00:01:26 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Aug 17 00:01:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:01:27 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 00:01:29 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' 00:02:22 <ekcs> hi all! as usual, the collaborative topics list for the meeting is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics 00:02:39 <ekcs> feel free to add/comment 00:09:50 <thinrichs> Hi all. 00:10:15 <thinrichs> (Sorry I'm late. Got to leave early too.) 00:11:23 <ekcs> oh hi thinrichs ! 00:11:39 <ekcs> ramineni on vacation this week and masahito may be traveling. 00:12:25 <thinrichs> Ok 00:12:33 <ekcs> so we can spend some time talking or just catch up next week. 00:15:34 <thinrichs> Either way. I only have 15min or so. 00:17:07 <ekcs> ok. well. I’ve been dropping down thoughts in the PTG etherpad. 00:17:13 <ekcs> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ptg-queens 00:17:47 <ekcs> I think in the past few cycles we had clear deficiencies and problems to work on. 00:18:36 <ekcs> at this point though, I feel we may need to consider higher level directions to inform our lower level priorities. 00:18:47 <ekcs> your input would be super helpful. 00:19:44 <ekcs> that’s one thing I wanted to bring to your attention. 00:20:31 <thinrichs> I think it'd be valuable to start targeting specific use-cases that folks have and solve them end-to-end. 00:20:45 <thinrichs> We're doing that to some extent with the policy library and remediating problems. 00:21:42 <thinrichs> Talking to Bryan from ATT and to NFV operators as you suggest could point to real pain points 00:22:43 <thinrichs> There's also the suggested use-case around configuration invariants that came up a couple weeks back. 00:23:42 <ekcs> right. 00:24:25 <thinrichs> It may be a cycle where we spend a lot of time talking to people to understand what the major pain points in OpenStack are that we can help with. 00:25:15 <thinrichs> One thing that was on my list for a long time is working to help people manage all the policy.json files. 00:25:55 <thinrichs> Security groups is another popular one 00:25:56 <ekcs> hmm good point about the possibility of focusing the cycle on that instead of features. 00:26:59 <ekcs> For me I feel like there is a bit of a bifurcation between the traditional enterprise use cases and the NFV use cases. 00:27:47 <ekcs> And I’d like to understand much better whether/where congress provides value in the NFV use cases. 00:27:54 <thinrichs> That could be. It'd be fine to pick 1 class of use-cases and focus on that for a while. 00:28:19 <thinrichs> Probably even smart to pick 1 class of use-cases 00:28:25 <thinrichs> Or even better 1 use case 00:29:19 <ekcs> hmm makes sense. 00:32:50 <ekcs> one way to break down the classes of use cases: 00:33:06 <ekcs> 1. “human” policy kind of cases. 00:33:21 <ekcs> 2. “fault-recovery” kind of cases 00:33:42 <ekcs> I think congress was originally designed to address 1. 00:33:53 <ekcs> but there have emerged many people interested in using congress for 2. 00:34:32 <ekcs> and what use-case(s) we pick to focus on may depend on a better understanding of whether/where congress plays in 2. 00:36:29 <ekcs> so I’m studying up on things and hopefully connecting with some people to have more context for PTG. 00:37:09 <thinrichs> Talking to people who have ideas definitely sounds like a good plan. 00:37:39 <thinrichs> (I'm not sure what 1 is — someone looking at violations in a dashboard?) 00:40:00 <ekcs> that’d be one case. I’m still formulating what it means really. but seems qualitatively diferent from the idea of 00:41:11 <ekcs> writing policy as a way to react to contingencies in a self-managing system. 00:47:03 <ekcs> ending meeting now. I’m available in #congress if anyone wants to talk! 00:47:05 <ekcs> #endmeeting