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00:00:53 <ekcs> hi all! welcome back to the meeting.
00:01:02 <ramineni_> ekcs: hi
00:01:06 <ekcs> topics collected here as usual https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics
00:01:10 <Songming> Hi
00:01:12 <ekcs> Not too many on there right now.
00:01:16 <ekcs> hi Songming !
00:02:47 <ekcs> pls take a minute to read/add/comment on the topics =)
00:05:40 <ekcs> Songming: would you like to introduce yourself real quick? like a bit about you and your interests?
00:06:00 <ekcs> a couple more people may join late but we can get started.
00:08:36 <ekcs> haha maybe he’ll be back later let’s move on along then.
00:09:00 <ramineni_1> ekcs: in ptg schedule
00:09:09 <ekcs> ramineni_1: yup?
00:09:26 <ramineni_1> there is topic "Policy in code" goal helproom (#policy-in-code)
00:09:32 <ramineni_1> any idea what that might be
00:09:37 <ramineni_1> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/#tab_schedule
00:09:39 <Songming> Ok, hello everyone. I am a openstack engineer.I from china. I  work on neutron before.
00:10:34 <Songming> I am
00:11:01 <ramineni_1> Songming: welcome :) !!
00:11:20 <ekcs> thanks Songming ! I’ve been working with him on a couple patches and it’s been great.
00:11:50 <ekcs> Songming: anything else you’d like to say about yourself or your interests?
00:13:43 <ekcs> oh and hi masahito !
00:13:51 <masahito> ekcs: hi
00:14:21 <Songming> I like basketball and swimming.
00:14:38 <ekcs> haha great! me too.
00:15:00 <ekcs> masahito: Songming is an engineer from china and he’s done work in neutron.
00:15:36 <thinrichs> Hi all.  Sorry I'm late.
00:15:37 <ekcs> Songming: if you have any topics to discuss today or in future meeting please go ahead and add to the etherpad. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics
00:15:41 <ekcs> hi thinrichs
00:16:11 <ekcs> ok let’s continue then.
00:16:20 <ekcs> #topic policy in code
00:16:39 <ekcs> ramineni_1: I think it’s referring to this queens goal.
00:16:53 <ekcs> #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/policy-in-code.html
00:17:41 <ramineni_1> ekcs: ah, ok
00:17:52 <ekcs> I haven’t dug into it very much. but it looks like something having to do with policy.json
00:18:37 <ekcs> anything for us to talk about now?
00:19:22 <ekcs> ok moving on then.
00:19:28 <ekcs> #topic PTG
00:20:12 <ekcs> the planning etherpad is here as mentioned before: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ptg-queens
00:20:40 <ekcs> Thanks for adding your thoughts there.
00:21:41 <ekcs> is there anything in PTG topics brainstorm we want to discuss here?
00:22:49 <ekcs> ok.
00:23:32 <ekcs> another PTG thing is we have an ongoing discussion between several projects about how the different services can work together for a self-healing infra.
00:23:57 <thinrichs> That sounds like an interesting opportunity for Congress
00:24:31 <ramineni_1> ekcs: on which dates?
00:24:32 <ekcs> we’re hoping to do a discussion at the PTG. planning doc is here. have not set an exact day yet, but we may fold congress session into it.
00:24:35 <ekcs> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-queens-ptg
00:25:32 <ekcs> I’m guessing it’ll be 9/12 or 9/13 but it’s not been set yet.
00:25:53 <ramineni_1> ekcs: ohok
00:26:22 <ekcs> thinrichs: yes I expect to be involved in helping define the vision and implementation.
00:27:01 <ekcs> if you’re interested in self-healing infra, please take a look at maybe add your name and/or thoughts to the brainstorm section.
00:28:20 <ekcs> we’re hoping to get things rolling at the PTG and also organize a forum session on it in the sydney summit.
00:30:35 <ekcs> ok let’s move on then if no more thoughts on the self-healin infra.
00:30:45 <Songming> That is sounds include a lot of project.Now i think every project has it's own policy.We hope to use congress policy as a top level
00:32:06 <Songming> That's right？
00:32:10 <ekcs> Songming: yes exactly. every project has policy about how that project should behave. Congress (vision) is to have policy about how all the projects should behave.
00:32:37 <ekcs> perhaps partly translated into individual project policies.
00:32:56 <ekcs> and it’ll be great to sketch out how everything can work together.
00:33:09 <ekcs> one question to answer is whether there is a need for a generic policy layer at all in self-healing infra.
00:34:21 <thinrichs> Idea has always been that you need another layer because not every project in OS is aware of what every other project is doing.
00:34:36 <thinrichs> Information needs to flow from one project to inform what's happening in another project.
00:35:04 <ekcs> it may be that we just want to define specialized behavior for that domain instead of in any generic policy layer. or it may be we really want a generic policy layer.
00:35:11 <thinrichs> Policy decisions need to be made based on a holistic understanding of what's happening in all the other components.
00:35:23 <ekcs> agreed thinrichs
00:35:32 <ekcs> so that’s one thing for us to discuss in this effort.
00:36:58 <thinrichs> I think of the specialized behavior for a domain as how you react/heal the infrastructure
00:37:18 <thinrichs> The decision as to whether apply that behavior still needs to be made.
00:37:53 <thinrichs> Should be an interesting discussion!
00:38:08 <Songming> Got it. That's very usefull. I think.
00:38:17 <ekcs> yup!
00:39:36 <ekcs> ok last thing about PTG is remote option.
00:40:15 <ekcs> I’m hoping to test out something before the conference.
00:40:27 <ekcs> I’ll set something up on ML about that with people who are interested in that option.
00:40:52 <ekcs> that’s all I have about the PTG. anything else we want to discuss?
00:44:42 <ekcs> one last comment about the self-healing effort. We’re also hoping to present unified vision about how all these services can work together in a “self-healing” infra, as a talk in the summit. so we have a couple months to design that =)
00:44:51 <ekcs> moving on then.
00:44:57 <ekcs> #topic open discussion
00:45:56 <ekcs> anything else we’d like to discuss today?
00:46:56 <ekcs> Songming: sorry to put you on the spot again. but would you like to say a bit about what brings you to Congress?
00:49:06 <Songming2> HaHa,yes.i think we need a uniform policy over networking in openstack such as security. qos.
00:49:31 <Songming2> That's bring me here.
00:50:43 <ekcs> got it!
00:51:42 <ekcs> I would love to hear sometime some of the pain points you’ve seen of doing that strictly using neutron, and figure out together how congress may be able to help.
00:52:10 <ekcs> looking forward to continuing working together!
00:52:56 <Songming2> That
00:53:34 <Songming2> That' great.
00:54:00 <ekcs> great!
00:54:02 <ekcs> so anything else to discuss or should we end a tad early? I’ll wait a couple minutes before ending =)
00:54:16 <ekcs> oh I think P release is officially out.
00:56:04 <ekcs> ok then. more next week!
00:56:07 <ekcs> see you all
00:56:45 <ekcs> #endmeeting