00:00:41 #startmeeting congressteammeeting 00:00:42 Meeting started Thu Aug 31 00:00:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:00:43 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 00:00:46 The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' 00:00:53 hi all! welcome back to the meeting. 00:01:02 ekcs: hi 00:01:06 topics collected here as usual https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics 00:01:10 Hi 00:01:12 Not too many on there right now. 00:01:16 hi Songming ! 00:02:47 pls take a minute to read/add/comment on the topics =) 00:05:40 Songming: would you like to introduce yourself real quick? like a bit about you and your interests? 00:06:00 a couple more people may join late but we can get started. 00:08:36 haha maybe he’ll be back later let’s move on along then. 00:09:00 ekcs: in ptg schedule 00:09:09 ramineni_1: yup? 00:09:26 there is topic "Policy in code" goal helproom (#policy-in-code) 00:09:32 any idea what that might be 00:09:37 https://www.openstack.org/ptg/#tab_schedule 00:09:39 Ok, hello everyone. I am a openstack engineer.I from china. I work on neutron before. 00:10:34 I am 00:11:01 Songming: welcome :) !! 00:11:20 thanks Songming ! I’ve been working with him on a couple patches and it’s been great. 00:11:50 Songming: anything else you’d like to say about yourself or your interests? 00:13:43 oh and hi masahito ! 00:13:51 ekcs: hi 00:14:21 I like basketball and swimming. 00:14:38 haha great! me too. 00:15:00 masahito: Songming is an engineer from china and he’s done work in neutron. 00:15:36 Hi all. Sorry I'm late. 00:15:37 Songming: if you have any topics to discuss today or in future meeting please go ahead and add to the etherpad. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics 00:15:41 hi thinrichs 00:16:11 ok let’s continue then. 00:16:20 #topic policy in code 00:16:39 ramineni_1: I think it’s referring to this queens goal. 00:16:53 #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/policy-in-code.html 00:17:41 ekcs: ah, ok 00:17:52 I haven’t dug into it very much. but it looks like something having to do with policy.json 00:18:37 anything for us to talk about now? 00:19:22 ok moving on then. 00:19:28 #topic PTG 00:20:12 the planning etherpad is here as mentioned before: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ptg-queens 00:20:40 Thanks for adding your thoughts there. 00:21:41 is there anything in PTG topics brainstorm we want to discuss here? 00:22:49 ok. 00:23:32 another PTG thing is we have an ongoing discussion between several projects about how the different services can work together for a self-healing infra. 00:23:57 That sounds like an interesting opportunity for Congress 00:24:31 ekcs: on which dates? 00:24:32 we’re hoping to do a discussion at the PTG. planning doc is here. have not set an exact day yet, but we may fold congress session into it. 00:24:35 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-queens-ptg 00:25:32 I’m guessing it’ll be 9/12 or 9/13 but it’s not been set yet. 00:25:53 ekcs: ohok 00:26:22 thinrichs: yes I expect to be involved in helping define the vision and implementation. 00:27:01 if you’re interested in self-healing infra, please take a look at maybe add your name and/or thoughts to the brainstorm section. 00:28:20 we’re hoping to get things rolling at the PTG and also organize a forum session on it in the sydney summit. 00:30:35 ok let’s move on then if no more thoughts on the self-healin infra. 00:30:45 That is sounds include a lot of project.Now i think every project has it's own policy.We hope to use congress policy as a top level 00:32:06 That's right？ 00:32:10 Songming: yes exactly. every project has policy about how that project should behave. Congress (vision) is to have policy about how all the projects should behave. 00:32:37 perhaps partly translated into individual project policies. 00:32:56 and it’ll be great to sketch out how everything can work together. 00:33:09 one question to answer is whether there is a need for a generic policy layer at all in self-healing infra. 00:34:21 Idea has always been that you need another layer because not every project in OS is aware of what every other project is doing. 00:34:36 Information needs to flow from one project to inform what's happening in another project. 00:35:04 it may be that we just want to define specialized behavior for that domain instead of in any generic policy layer. or it may be we really want a generic policy layer. 00:35:11 Policy decisions need to be made based on a holistic understanding of what's happening in all the other components. 00:35:23 agreed thinrichs 00:35:32 so that’s one thing for us to discuss in this effort. 00:36:58 I think of the specialized behavior for a domain as how you react/heal the infrastructure 00:37:18 The decision as to whether apply that behavior still needs to be made. 00:37:53 Should be an interesting discussion! 00:38:08 Got it. That's very usefull. I think. 00:38:17 yup! 00:39:36 ok last thing about PTG is remote option. 00:40:15 I’m hoping to test out something before the conference. 00:40:27 I’ll set something up on ML about that with people who are interested in that option. 00:40:52 that’s all I have about the PTG. anything else we want to discuss? 00:44:42 one last comment about the self-healing effort. We’re also hoping to present unified vision about how all these services can work together in a “self-healing” infra, as a talk in the summit. so we have a couple months to design that =) 00:44:51 moving on then. 00:44:57 #topic open discussion 00:45:56 anything else we’d like to discuss today? 00:46:56 Songming: sorry to put you on the spot again. but would you like to say a bit about what brings you to Congress? 00:49:06 HaHa,yes.i think we need a uniform policy over networking in openstack such as security. qos. 00:49:31 That's bring me here. 00:50:43 got it! 00:51:42 I would love to hear sometime some of the pain points you’ve seen of doing that strictly using neutron, and figure out together how congress may be able to help. 00:52:10 looking forward to continuing working together! 00:52:56 That 00:53:34 That' great. 00:54:00 great! 00:54:02 so anything else to discuss or should we end a tad early? I’ll wait a couple minutes before ending =) 00:54:16 oh I think P release is officially out. 00:56:04 ok then. more next week! 00:56:07 see you all 00:56:45 #endmeeting