16:03:58 <adrian_otto> #startmeeting containers
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16:04:02 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'containers'
16:04:06 <erw> o/
16:04:06 <funzo> o/
16:04:13 <s1rp> o/
16:04:23 <adrian_otto> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Agenda
16:04:29 <adrian_otto> #topic Roll Call
16:04:36 <adrian_otto> Adrian Otto
16:04:39 <erw> Eric Windisch
16:04:50 <adrian_otto> hi funzo, erw, and s1rp
16:05:00 <funzo> hi!
16:05:37 <adrian_otto> #topic Announcements
16:05:50 <adrian_otto> first, we had the Midcycle meetup last week.
16:06:08 <adrian_otto> I set an intent to email the dev list summarizing our activity there
16:06:32 <adrian_otto> but have not been back in the office since I left Oregon, so I have not completed this yet
16:06:52 <adrian_otto> so what we will do today is give a quick high level summary, and follow that up with additional detail on the ML
16:07:10 <funzo> excellent
16:07:38 <adrian_otto> ok, so the good news is that we have an outline for a proposal for adding containers support to OpenStack that the Nova team is happy with
16:07:58 <erw> there is bad news?
16:08:00 <adrian_otto> the virt drivers for containers stay on the same track they are on
16:08:12 <adrian_otto> no, this is not paired with bad news ;-)
16:08:37 <adrian_otto> so we still continue with efforts related to nova-docker and libvirt/lxc
16:09:12 <adrian_otto> we use Nova for producing an instance
16:09:22 <adrian_otto> which can be of any virt type that nova has drivers for
16:09:32 <adrian_otto> so it can be a bare metal instance, a VM, a container, etc.
16:09:46 <adrian_otto> within that instance we place an agent
16:10:05 <adrian_otto> it uses a relay to connect to the control plane where it can be controlled by the (drumroll please)
16:10:11 <adrian_otto> containers service
16:11:01 <adrian_otto> which has a containers centric API for handling OS level things, including shell ENV vars, exit status, stdio, etc.
16:11:26 <adrian_otto> we are producing spec documents that detail the API, and the system architecture
16:11:40 <adrian_otto> you should expect to see drafts of those for review next week.
16:11:46 <adrian_otto> comments or questions so far?
16:12:12 <funzo> adrian_otto: will the conatiner service load the nova-docker plugin, and provide extensions to it?
16:12:15 <s1rp> the nova guys like the agent because it fits in with a long-term goal of having an 'openstack-agent' in instances
16:12:21 <funzo> or is this all net new for docker container management
16:12:27 <adrian_otto> funzo: excellent question, no.
16:13:02 <adrian_otto> the virt drivers in Nova are only intended to provide the level of features that the current Nova drivers do, not more.
16:13:04 <thomasem> o/
16:13:21 <adrian_otto> the container specific features will go into the containers service, and the host agent.
16:13:37 <adrian_otto> we will make an effort to reuse existing art to implement early versions of those
16:13:56 <adrian_otto> so things like docker, libswarm, libct, etc will be under consideration as building blocks.
16:14:09 <adrian_otto> but this plan should not require extensions to Nova
16:14:40 <adrian_otto> s1rp:  +1
16:14:49 <funzo> adrian_otto: what do you think the timeframe will play out as for getting a container service incubated?
16:15:06 <adrian_otto> funzo: another great question...
16:15:13 <adrian_otto> we did discuss this with the Nova team
16:15:18 <funzo> adrian_otto: i know the timeing thing is always hard to guestimate
16:15:47 <adrian_otto> while we are building it, we will run it as a stackforge project, and then propose it as a new project under the existing Compute program
16:15:57 <funzo> adrian_otto: I'm assuming when the container service is up to snuff, we'll depricate the nova-docker driver
16:15:57 <adrian_otto> so it can have its own core reviewer team
16:16:11 <adrian_otto> funzo: actually no, that's a funny detail
16:16:23 <adrian_otto> this plan assumes nested containers
16:16:31 <erw> funzo: to clarify on your earlier question… this does not eliminate the need for nova-docker
16:16:33 <funzo> ah ok
16:16:48 <adrian_otto> and that we will get features into Linux to allow unprivileged nesting
16:16:50 <iqbalmohomed> Is there a link to the plan?
16:17:00 <iqbalmohomed> Sorry .. Joined a bit late
16:17:02 <Slower> o/