17:08:20 <jimbaker> #startmeeting craton 17:08:21 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Feb 2 17:08:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jimbaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:08:22 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:08:24 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'craton' 17:08:27 <sulo> i am going to have to miss the meeting today .. need to take care of something .. 17:08:35 <sulo> will read the scrollback in an hour 17:08:52 <jimbaker> #chair sigmavirus sulo jimbaker 17:08:53 <openstack> Current chairs: jimbaker sigmavirus sulo 17:09:02 <jimbaker> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/craton-meetings 17:09:58 <jimbaker> git-harry, jovon, sigmavirus, Syed__, thomasem, hi 17:10:33 <git-harry> hi 17:10:43 <jovon> hey 17:11:00 <sigmavirus> hi there 17:11:36 <Syed__> O/ 17:11:45 <jimbaker> so we just another demo, and we had some great questions from brian stein in particular 17:12:06 <Syed__> Did we prepare a document or something for that ? 17:12:14 <jimbaker> the meeting? 17:12:35 <Syed__> Yeah or notes, will be handy to know 17:13:03 <jimbaker> Syed__, we presented a few slides from our pres at openstack barcelona - architecture, some motivation from rackspace public cloud 17:13:17 <Syed__> Ohh i see 17:13:31 <thomasem> o/ 17:13:34 <jimbaker> we then went through a demo of current functionality available from the CLI, including how variables work 17:14:09 <jimbaker> showing overrides. could have mentioned the motivation from the openstack ansible team, but we didn't 17:14:14 <jimbaker> in terms of notes 17:15:43 <jimbaker> first, we will continue our focus on the cmdb/inventory aspects. multitenancy is a key differentiator for this project; as well some specific knowledge of how clouds should be managed 17:16:05 <jimbaker> thomasem, your work on project vars, and projects in general, will be helpful sooner than later 17:16:22 <thomasem> +1 17:16:31 <jimbaker> so thanks for your first change, and we will work that through and get it in 17:16:56 <thomasem> Yeah, I think I'm close to fixing that one problem, then it'll be writing tests (hopefully) 17:17:11 <jimbaker> it would be helpful for future demos to show navigation through projects; and being able to search accordingly by vars 17:17:46 <jimbaker> another thing that came up is being able to search via labels, and then make corresponding changes 17:18:05 <jimbaker> but the key thing i heard is "how do we manage a lot of special snowflakes" 17:18:44 <jimbaker> each project (= a customer cloud) has its own needs; but we need to manage efficiently 17:19:19 <jimbaker> another key thing i heard is, what specifically are we doing to help in fact manage these snowflakes 17:19:41 <Syed__> jimbaker: sorry to interrupt, what do you mean by snowflakes ? 17:20:12 <Syed__> as in environment snowflakes ? 17:20:50 <jimbaker> as in, each snowflake is different 17:21:19 <Syed__> ok 17:21:23 <jimbaker> http://www.keplersdiscovery.com/SixCornered.html 17:21:41 <Syed__> cool, will go through it 17:21:47 <jimbaker> which is one of the first works of mathematical physics 17:22:18 <jimbaker> i don't want to elaborate too much on snowflakes, per se :) 17:22:30 <Syed__> +1 17:22:34 <thomasem> Lol 17:22:36 <jimbaker> but snowflakes may all be different, but they share commonality 17:23:13 <jimbaker> the point of craton is to manage the different snowflakes of how clouds are setup; but to know that they share certain features 17:23:44 <jimbaker> and much of what drives stuff for us, like variables and how they resolve - that's commonality 17:25:00 <jimbaker> same with having strong opinions on how to relationally look at the world - the project/region/cell hierarchy (and we forgot to mention, cells are optional and there can be just a single region) 17:25:10 <jimbaker> etc etc 17:25:49 <jimbaker> anyway, i expect further questions and demos to come up to address what was discussed today 17:26:05 <jimbaker> farid, thomasem, anything else you want to add? 17:27:02 <thomasem> Nothing else from me. :) 17:27:52 <jimbaker> another ask from toan: we need to show the device tree with the CLI. hopefully by next week 17:28:43 <jimbaker> basically "containers should be addressable" (i think that's close to what he said) 17:28:53 <farid> jimbaker: not at the moment thanks 17:30:02 <jimbaker> but i think the demo went reasonably well. tough questions, but people respected the work we put in 17:30:47 <jimbaker> perhaps the biggest question is: are we effectively biting off more than we can chew, so to speak? 17:31:30 <jimbaker> but again, that's why we are focusing on cmdb for the time being, and then expanding that out (so "inventory fabric" is still a next step for us) 17:31:41 <Syed__> hmm .. 17:31:47 <jimbaker> ok, that's everything i got 17:33:47 <jimbaker> anything else? i didn't prepare a specific agenda for today, because we were focused on this earlier meeting that i summarized 17:34:04 <Syed__> i am good right now 17:35:45 <jimbaker> cool, please look at the outstanding reviews in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+craton 17:36:10 <jimbaker> and we can all get back to work 17:36:23 <jimbaker> #endmeeting