17:23:04 <kiall> #startmeeting designate 17:23:05 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Oct 30 17:23:04 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:23:06 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:23:08 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'designate' 17:23:18 <eankutse> here 17:23:28 <vinod1> here 17:23:32 <kiall> Again - Apologies.. DST switched here, and both myself and mugsie we're thinking it was still at 6pm local! 17:23:43 <eankutse> :-) 17:23:48 <betsy> here 17:24:05 <kiall> Graham is on another call at the minute .. DST makes things painful :) He might be along 17:24:14 <artom2> that saved daylight better be worth all this trouble ;) 17:24:48 <betsy> We got off daylight savings this coming weekend 17:24:59 <kiall> Since we're going to keep this short, and most people with action items are AFK, I'll skip that until next week. 17:25:04 <kiall> #topic Havana Release 17:25:36 <kiall> I added this item earlier today, I'd like to see us get a solid release, including .deb's, released over the next few days - before the Summit. 17:26:31 <kiall> The idea being A) We can mail out to the openstack and openstack-dev lists, possibly getting more traction 17:26:37 <eankutse> I saw those. Looking over them to learn 17:26:39 <eankutse> :-) 17:26:49 <betsy> Sounds like an excellent idea 17:26:56 <betsy> Anything we can do to help? 17:27:16 <kiall> and B) demo the install at the simmit 17:27:24 <kiall> (sorry - distracting phone call) 17:27:46 <kiall> So - I'm working through getting out deps in sync with the "official havana" list today 17:27:49 <artom2> enovance will have guys at the summit 17:28:13 <artom2> some might have deb packaging experience 17:28:16 <betsy> kiall: Are you going to the summit? 17:28:18 <kiall> But, proper testing is going to be tough given the time.. I'd love to get some help from everything making sure it works 17:28:22 <kiall> betsy: yea, leaving on Sunday 17:28:55 <kiall> artom2: .deb's are a personal specialty of mine - you should see what happens when someone puts something unpackaged (aka unclean) on a server I maintain ;) 17:29:03 <kiall> It ain't pretty 17:29:11 <artom2> hahaha 17:29:14 <artom2> ok then 17:29:41 <kiall> Anyway - I'm hoping to get the .deb's out, using all the deps from the Ubuntu Havana cloud archive tomorrow morning 17:30:19 <kiall> But there's no way any of us at HP will have enough time to fully test them before the week is out 17:30:28 <betsy> I'll be happy to help with the testing 17:30:43 <betsy> Let me know when it's ready and if you want me to test a certain functionality 17:30:44 <kiall> betsy: lifesaver :) 17:30:56 <betsy> or just in general 17:30:57 <artom2> I can test too 17:31:12 <kiall> artom2: excellent! 17:32:06 <kiall> I'll have some install notes on the install using .deb's, but there probably going to be pretty rough! I'll ping you both tomorrow when there ready 17:32:47 <betsy> kiall: sounds good 17:32:49 <artom2> k 17:33:27 <kiall> So .. Moving on to part 2 of "Havana Release" - I think now, after cutting a release and announcing, and with the summit soon, is a great time to try and bring in more people and users.. 17:34:28 <artom2> I'm about to open up a proof of concept setup with nsd4 over here 17:34:38 <artom2> so more users 17:34:51 <kiall> I'm hoping to try and "hijack" the "We've released a Havana version" thread to pull people in .. I expect we'll see a bunch of general questions, install help etc type mails after.. I'd love to see everyone answering these and showing people from outside HP are involved :) 17:34:53 <artom2> albeit in an "existing" company 17:35:37 <kiall> i.e. if your not subscribed to the openstack and openstack-dev lists .. http://lists.openstack.org/ :) 17:35:53 <artom2> I'll sub to the list 17:36:01 <betsy> I'm on openstack-dev, but not openstack. 17:36:04 <betsy> I'll add that one 17:36:06 <eankutse> Kiall: good idea. We'll do our best 17:37:06 <kiall> And, all this leads up to post-summit discussion around incubation.. I know RAX is dying to have that one ;) 17:37:42 <artom2> rack space? 17:37:44 <betsy> Definitely :) 17:37:56 <betsy> artom2: yes 17:39:10 <kiall> Okay .. So, Graham is still stuck on another call - I know there was some Q's for him around pools etc.. If he's finished up before this, we'll move back to that.. But, for now.. 17:39:13 <kiall> #topic Open Discussion 17:39:32 <kiall> So - Anyone else besides myself going to the Summit? :) 17:40:17 <betsy> None of us on the Designate project from Rackspace 17:40:24 <betsy> :( 17:40:47 <kiall> Myself and Patrick will be giving a talk on Designate - I'm going to try and squeeze a "Look how easy this is" demo in there to bring some users on, and a general overview of Designate. But .. Does anyone have suggestions for things to cover? 17:41:08 <kiall> betsy: ah well, will Nicole be over again? 17:41:23 <eankutse> Mention future features - DNSSEC, etc 17:41:25 <betsy> kiall: Nope 17:41:50 <kiall> i.e. what would you guys have found useful to hear at a talk a few months ago :) 17:42:05 <tsimmons> hmmm 17:42:46 <kiall> eankutse: noted. We have a slide on future but.. nothing to much yet 17:42:53 <kiall> nothing too much* 17:43:06 <betsy> Maybe -- Designate represent's the whole stack -- from API to backend and has extentions for different backends (powerdns, Bind) 17:43:11 <tsimmons> I would have liked to see it in action and a solid overview of the architecture. 17:43:39 <betsy> A demo is always the most helpful 17:43:41 <tsimmons> Perhaps focusing a lot on the future, exciting things that folks can get involved in? 17:43:56 <kiall> tsimmons: yea, that's something we didn't cover too well last year (the demo bit), and I plan on doing a demo from Install -> actually serving traffic 17:43:58 <eankutse> Server Pools to enable Private DNS 17:44:22 <tsimmons> kiall: Nice, that would be cool. 17:44:29 <betsy> kiall: So I assume you're demoing v1? 17:44:50 <kiall> betsy: yea.. I'm going to demo using the client, People can't reason JSON from the other side of the room 17:45:24 <kiall> can't read* 17:46:35 <kiall> tsimmons: yea, I think we had a 50/50 mix of dev and users at the talk last year, so we'll try and use the talk to bring both kinds of people in :) 17:47:11 <kiall> so - other than demo, future and architecture overview - anything else that would have been useful a few months back? (or still might be useful?) 17:48:07 <eankutse> Would it be OK to mention who are currently looking into using Designate? 17:48:23 <tsimmons> For people looking to contribute, a slide or two about the available tools, the client, the docs, guides, launchpad links, stuff like that. That's all standard though. 17:48:29 <kiall> Only if those people give explicit permission to myself or patrick saying it's OK 17:49:59 <tsimmons> Would it be helpful to say that RAX was involved? 17:50:13 <kiall> So .. Speaking of permission, if anyone here wants to let us drop your company name/logo onto the slides.. drop me and email saying so - kiall@hp.com :) 17:50:50 <kiall> tsimmons: noted, We'll have a bunch of links to that kinda stuff at the end.. But .. I'm thinking we link to http://designate.readthedocs.org/en/latest/related.html 17:50:50 <kiall> and make sure that list is complete in advance 17:50:50 <tsimmons> kiall: that works. 17:50:50 <kiall> tsimmons: I'd love to, if you guys can get me permission to say/use RAX's name :) 17:51:04 <tsimmons> We'll work on it. Our managers aren't in the meeting... 17:51:14 <kiall> tsimmons: sure :) 17:51:23 <kiall> artom: same goes to you ;) 17:51:24 <betsy> kiall: Yeah. We'll ask them to send you something 17:51:26 <artom> I'll ask around :) 17:51:48 <kiall> Totally OK if the answers from mgmt come back as a NO .. It happens ;) 17:52:32 <kiall> Anyway, If we manage to find enough time to finish the slides this week.. I'll drop a link into the openstack-dns room, hopefully you guys can review for us! 17:52:47 <kiall> So .. Any other topics? or more on this? or .. :) 17:52:51 <eankutse> Cool :-) 17:52:59 <eankutse> looking forward to seeing the slides 17:53:14 <artom> Unrelated to summit, but can I push for a decision re import/export API endpoint? 17:53:25 <artom> Or are we missing too many people today? 17:54:24 <kiall> I think the HP crowd prefer the option for using POST /zones with COntent-Type: text/dns etc 17:54:29 <kiall> what do others think? 17:54:53 <eankutse> Let's go for it 17:54:54 <kiall> (I'm the only HP person here today, everyone else is on holidays or stuck on another call) 17:55:09 <tsimmons> That's the approach I like as well. 17:55:10 <kiall> Okay .. artom .. the current review uses /zonefile/ correct? 17:55:19 <artom> Yep. 17:55:52 <kiall> I *think* the general consensus is to use POST /zones with COntent-Type: text/dns and GET /zones/{id} with Accept: text/dns 17:56:05 <kiall> Let's update it for that, and we'll get it merged ASAP :) 17:56:13 <artom> Awesomesauce. 17:56:20 <artom> I'll start working on the change. 17:56:25 <kiall> Thanks! 17:56:29 <eankutse> Mugsie/Kiall: On Server Pools/Async - Would we be departing from any OpenStack conventions if we rename the Pool Scheduler to "Pool Allocator" or "Pool Assigner" or something along those lines? 17:56:42 <kiall> #action kiall to get slides into openstack-dns room as soon as there done. 17:56:59 <kiall> #action kiall to ping artom / betsy with .deb's when completed tomorrow morning 17:57:19 <kiall> #action artom to update import/export review for POST /zones etc rather than POST /zonefiles 17:57:41 <tsimmons> ^ I wasn't here but I'd like to help with that too if you need it. ( The .deb's) 17:57:57 <kiall> eankutse: Yea, I think the scheduler name is pretty embedded in other openstack projects.. 17:58:05 <eankutse> Ok. Thx 17:58:13 <kiall> I actually dislike the name too, but it seems to have stuck elsewhere 17:58:29 <kiall> And, functionally, it's way to similar to nova-scheduler to call it anything else 17:58:48 <eankutse> ok. 17:58:50 <betsy> kiall: Yeah. Even tho it doesn't exactly function as a scheduler, as I think of one 17:58:54 <kiall> tsimmons: great :) I'll ping you too 17:59:04 <betsy> That's what Nova calls it 17:59:44 <kiall> betsy: exactly. Lots of names have been given new meanings within openstack! It's awful, but too late for some things :) 18:00:15 <betsy> kiall: Sad, but true 18:00:50 <kiall> Yup! Okay, Anything else from anywhere else before I close up? Not sure if this room is used now or not :) 18:01:03 <eankutse> done 18:01:05 <betsy> Good luck at the summit! 18:01:08 <artom> I'm not going to the summit, but should I try to get the eNovance people who are going to... I dunno, do something? 18:01:20 <kiall> thanks betsy :) 18:01:22 <kiall> artom: ehh .. 18:01:25 <kiall> no idea :) 18:01:28 <artom> Hah 18:01:35 <kiall> Get them to come to the talk ;) 18:02:01 <artom> I'll bring the Designate/summit thing up to management, they can figure out what to do. 18:02:03 <betsy> I know other Rackspace folks will be there 18:02:12 <betsy> -- at your talk 18:02:23 <kiall> betsy: cool, the more the merrier :) 18:02:31 <kiall> Okay .. I guess that's it then! Thanks all 18:02:34 <kiall> #endmeeting