17:03:44 <Kiall> #startmeeting Designate
17:03:45 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Nov 12 17:03:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:03:49 <Kiall> Who's about?
17:03:54 <timsim> o/
17:04:04 <ekarlso> a    salute
17:04:18 <rjrjr_> o/
17:04:28 <Kiall> Odd where's mugsie ..
17:04:43 <Kiall> there he is ;)
17:04:56 <mugsie> sorry, got delayed
17:05:04 <Kiall> Okay, So . No actions from last week so skipping that section :)
17:05:10 <Kiall> #topic Pools - Where are we? (kiall)
17:05:19 <Kiall> Yep - This one again :)
17:05:36 <Kiall> Folks working on pools, what are your blockers?
17:05:57 <rjrjr_> no blockers.  had some organization tasks to take care of Mon/Tues, but am back on coding today.
17:06:04 <mugsie> i think we are in a similar position to the end of last week
17:06:19 <mugsie> which is good
17:06:24 <Kiall> Cool - I started getting through my review backlog today, I believe mugsie did the same..
17:06:30 <timsim> Has anyone got all the pieces together yet?
17:06:30 <mugsie> yeah
17:06:31 <Kiall> I still have loads left to do though...
17:06:44 <Kiall> timsim: not as far as I know :)
17:06:52 <mugsie> my inbox is about 1/2 of what it was
17:06:57 <Kiall> maybe rjrjr_ has?
17:07:48 <rjrjr_> i will update the WIP code (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131656/) and then everyone should be in a good position to see where we are at.
17:07:57 <mugsie> cool
17:08:02 <rjrjr_> master + WIP = current
17:08:20 <rjrjr_> give me until sometime today to get that updated.
17:08:35 <Kiall> Okay great! Cool, I plan on spending at least half of tomorrow finishing up the reviews I didn't get to today, so that fits nicely for me :)
17:08:47 <Kiall> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule
17:09:07 <Kiall> k1 is december 8th BTW.. So, ideally we want everything at least functional by that point ;)
17:09:18 <Kiall> (i.e. about a month)
17:09:34 <timsim> Seems doable.
17:09:55 <Kiall> Yea, we have the bones in.. and then the rest of the cycle to stabilize.
17:10:12 <Kiall> Okay.. Any other pools related stuff? blockers/questions/worries etc?
17:10:48 <Kiall> Guess not!
17:10:52 <Kiall> #topic Mid-Cycle Dates/Locations/Topics (kiall)
17:11:27 <Kiall> So - I'll be in Palo Alto Jan 24/25th ish .. Travel wise, it would be much easier to schedule the mid-cycle around that
17:11:56 <mugsie> FOSDEM / ConfigMngmtCamp is Jan 31st -> Feb 3
17:11:57 <rjrjr_> kiall, just talked to my manager last night about this.  eBay can host in Phoenix.
17:12:03 <Kiall> I also think we should switch it up a little, and rather than spend it on a planning call it a hackathon
17:12:17 <timsim> That'd be fun
17:12:29 <mugsie> yeah, I like that idea
17:12:30 <Kiall> Yep - I think we'll need it once pools is in to get it stable and performant :)
17:12:54 <rjrjr_> pools will be stable and performant before then if i have any say....
17:13:01 <timsim> mugsie can program on a projector and we can all yell at him.
17:13:09 <Kiall> rjrjr_: there's always more stability and performance to be had :P
17:13:22 <mugsie> timsim: sounds like heaven
17:13:42 <Kiall> rjrjr_: re phoenix .. excellent! are there any scheduling concerns in/around the end of Jan?
17:13:57 <mugsie> FOSDEM ^
17:14:00 <Kiall> timsim: +2 to that idea..
17:14:04 <rjrjr_> i'll need to ask.  i'll get back to you later this week.
17:14:05 <Kiall> mugsie: in/around
17:14:22 <mugsie> [17:11] <      mugsie> | FOSDEM / ConfigMngmtCamp is Jan 31st -> Feb 3
17:14:46 <Kiall> Yep.. in/around the end of jan.. Not Jan 31st -> Feb 3rd ;)
17:15:09 <rjrjr_> what are the ideal dates for this?
17:15:22 <mugsie> people are having them from dec -> feb
17:15:31 <mugsie> so any time within that time frame
17:15:50 <mugsie> but, for us international travel may be tough before jan
17:16:17 <timsim> We can rent an RV from here!
17:16:21 <mugsie> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints
17:16:21 <Kiall> timsim: lol
17:16:44 <Kiall> Yea ... We'll also be trying to squeeze a Seattle visit into the trip.. we're on the right continent so should at least visit the office ;)
17:17:23 <Kiall> timsim: what about RAX, any impossible deadlines etc in/around the dates suggested that would make it hard for you gues?
17:17:31 <Kiall> guys*
17:17:54 <timsim> No way to know for sure at this point, but I wouldn't think it'd be an issue.
17:18:06 <timsim> I'll talk to Joe and see.
17:18:16 <Kiall> Cool...
17:18:31 <mugsie> loop back on this next week?
17:18:40 <rjrjr_> absolutely.
17:18:42 <mugsie> would be good to get details out quickly
17:19:04 <Kiall> mugsie: agreed - with Seattle/Phoenix/Palo Alto for me .. scheduling is going to be a pain ;)
17:19:32 <mugsie> yeah. and with fosdem, I do want to be at home for a day or 2 as well ;)
17:20:30 <Kiall> Okay .. So, nobody else had any other agenda topics. I blame the week "off" and people catching up ;)
17:20:31 <mugsie> anything else on this? how hot is phoenix in jan?
17:20:36 <Kiall> #topic Open Discussion
17:20:38 <Kiall> Any other topics?
17:20:39 <filler> ohai
17:20:47 <filler> im an ops engineer here at RAX
17:20:48 <Kiall> I know some people are still away etc etc
17:20:51 <mugsie> o/
17:20:51 <rjrjr_> phoenix is not hot in january.  should be light jacket weather.
17:20:56 <Kiall> hey filler :)
17:20:56 <mugsie> :D
17:21:09 <Kiall> rjrjr_: so better than an Irish summer then? ;)
17:21:13 <filler> working on designate implementation.  wanted to discuss deployment strategies.  particularly rolling release, a/b as it related to db migrations.
17:21:37 <filler> casually looking at the migrations in the code base to date, some of them looked backwards imcompat.
17:22:04 <filler> wanted to get in touch with those who actually run designate in production with zero dowmtime deployment.
17:22:29 <filler> is there someone at hp i could discuss releng with?
17:22:29 <Kiall> filler: Yea, I do believe we have some backwards incompatible migrations all right, which is something we need to address
17:22:44 <Kiall> we run Designate in for HP Cloud BTW
17:22:45 <filler> i assume that longer term that the migrations will calm down as the code matures.
17:23:00 <mugsie> yeah, we are in a serious period of growth right now
17:23:23 <ekarlso> So, v2 for v2 client just as a note, i just wanna throw it out there if we're ok with V2 bindings going into python-designateclient, v1 stays in designateclient but v2 cli code either goes into openstackclient and or stays in designateclient and loaded in osc entrypoints ? :)
17:23:37 <filler> Kiall: good to know.  are you part of the release engineering of designate in hp cloud?
17:23:38 <Kiall> Yea, this cycle has been particularly bad as we've been working through some big changes. At HP, we used to run close to master,
17:23:43 <filler> if not, i would <3 to talk to someone who is.  :)
17:23:59 <Kiall> filler: We're both Dev and Ops for the HP Cloud DNS service
17:24:02 <mugsie> filler: there is a few of us who are
17:24:07 <ekarlso> filler: +1 to what she said ^
17:24:41 <filler> ok.  ill spin up a thread offline on this.
17:24:56 <Kiall> Anyway - We've held off deploys of the most recent codebase due to the number of changes, but will be getting back into rolling releases once things are stable again :)
17:25:07 <filler> just wanted to pop in, meet everyone, and bring this up.  we are talking release process as we gear up our implementation.
17:25:23 <mugsie> cool
17:25:24 <Kiall> timsim / vinod etc have all our emails.. Feel free to grab them :)
17:25:41 <Kiall> (There also RAX, just in case you don't already know that ;))
17:25:42 <mugsie> pop your head into the normal room as well if you have an questions
17:25:58 <filler> Kiall: i sit next to all them :P
17:26:06 <Kiall> Hah, was just making sure :)
17:26:08 <mugsie> filler: hate that :P
17:26:14 <Kiall> ^ too
17:26:36 <Kiall> ekarlso: re the client/bindings.. I agree, let's get the bindings into the client ASAP, and push for the CLI parts to go into python-openstackclient
17:27:04 <ekarlso> Kiall: already have bindings done using cliff :P should be minor changes to have them work outside designateclient too with osc ;P
17:27:17 <Kiall> that gives us a good advantage of being able to keep the v1 and v2 CLI around legitimately while we transition towards the V2 API
17:27:28 <Kiall> Great.. :)
17:27:44 <ekarlso> Kiall: re that, I gotta dust off my horizon bits for v2 as well when the time comes
17:28:09 <Kiall> Okay.. Any other topics for today?
17:28:22 <timsim> Anyone from the summit want to poke their heads out and say hi?
17:28:32 <Kiall> timsim: Good Q :)
17:29:09 <ekarlso> timsim: hi :p
17:29:29 <timsim> nice.
17:29:43 <Kiall> Lol.. Okay, let's call it ;) Quite meeting with vinod and betsy not here!
17:29:56 <Kiall> Thanks all...
17:29:58 <Kiall> #endmeeting