19:02:17 #startmeeting diversity_wg 19:02:18 Meeting started Mon Jan 29 19:02:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:19 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:02:21 The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' 19:02:28 #topic Roll Call 19:02:51 o/ 19:02:57 o/ 19:02:59 Not sure who's about but I figured I'd get us started 19:03:29 Today's agenda is on the top here: 19:03:33 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda 19:03:57 Welcome ildikov and aprice:) 19:04:06 hello there :) 19:05:01 hi :) 19:05:21 We'll give 2 more minutes to see if we get anyone else then we'll move on to our questions review:) 19:05:25 hi o/ sorry i'm late 19:05:30 Hey cmurphy 19:06:45 #topic Old Survey Question revamp 19:06:50 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-survey-spring-2018 19:07:48 Does anyone have any comments about the first 4 question? We left off still discussing #5 19:08:20 I’m sure this has been discussed…but the second question is written oddly 19:08:29 sorry, first 19:08:31 line 3 19:08:41 And if I start typoing a lot yell at me to use the other keyboard:( 19:08:58 In which country? annabelleB? 19:09:06 I think that the line 3 question could be removed 19:09:16 What’s the information we’re trying to get out of that? 19:09:19 it doesn't really add actionable things that a diversity survey would achieve 19:09:23 +1 19:09:44 whereas the next question would be useful 19:09:44 We were keeping reside, and removing citizen at birth 19:09:48 perfect 19:10:29 There's notes from last meeting at the end of the lines:) 19:10:32 “What country do you live in?” is a simplier way for ESSL people 19:11:02 And we will need to better word everything:) These were the draft questions I still had access to 19:11:41 aprice had the action item to get the real questions asked out of Survey Monkey 19:12:07 I'm sorry - I will pull now and put into the etherpad 19:12:46 spotz: do you want to walk through and reword as a group, or do you want to assign someone to redraft and we go from there? 19:12:51 Cool thanks:) And for some I wouldn't be surprised if worded the same 19:13:50 annabelleB: Right now I'd like to get what we're keeing, what we're adding. Then we can decide how we want to word them. We might end up with multiple related questions so flow of wording will be important 19:14:08 okay 19:14:32 I just happened to see https://github.com/drnikki/open-demographics on twitter, i bet we could pull a lot of content directly from that 19:15:05 And so far we've thrown out 1 and are combining 2 and might use some of mozilla's stuff if it fits 19:15:30 cmurphy: this looks really helpful 19:16:59 cmurphy: It's definitely got some of the things we've been discussing 19:17:24 plopping it in the agenda for reference 19:17:27 cmurphy: nice catch! 19:17:29 the open demographics seems like a really good starting point rather than starting with the old survey. It looks like they’ve done a ton of research about how you ask some of these very personal questions 19:18:53 I have placed the previous survey questions in bottom of the etherpad. Based on how close it is to the current questions, we may have already reviewed :) 19:19:08 annabelleB: It'd be nice to have some continuity so we can say we've improved/declined in these areas. That's the main reason to decide what we want to keep 19:19:59 do we feel like the old survey has good enough data to try and have historical data? Or is it okay to call it a wash and start over? 19:20:28 last I heard there were a lot of concerns about the response rate and the way questions were asked, so may not warrant so much concern about maintaining historical data 19:20:35 annabelleB: It's the only data we have. Was it great no 19:20:37 we had 538 responses for the previous survey 19:20:48 oh that’s not too shabby—nvm the response rate bit 19:21:02 for context, it was conducted in October 2015 prior to the Tokyo Summit 19:22:32 And I think there are alot of surveys out there like this github repo, the Mozilla survey, etc. We can borrow from to make ours better but we need to decide what we want to keep, and how to incorporate more information without it growing I'd say beyond 20 questions? 19:23:06 Looks like we were at 16 before and have already tossed 1 19:24:30 Hoing off the new questions. I say keep how do you participate. How often do you interact I think might be important 19:25:02 Ha cool just noticed the religion one was already worded in the direction we were going:) 19:27:54 Looking at where we as if someone considers themselves a racial/ethnic minority it looks like we have never asked for them to identify themselves 19:28:58 I think that is some vital information we're missing 19:30:34 can we include the sample mozilla one in the etherpad? I feel like i have heard that one cited multiple times 19:31:43 aprice The survey is no longer available but I did save (I hope some questions) 19:32:13 In coming to etherpad 19:33:16 Ok I'll have to go back and clean it up but ones I saved that I thought were relevant to us are now under the section aprice added 19:33:40 Doesn't look near as nice on the ether wiethout some of the tables 19:34:56 Now We should ask country vs region, it's data we generally have available to use. I did like the area question underneath it but maybe because I don't live in a city:) 19:36:58 I’m not sure that one’s as actionable, and I’m all for a shorter survey 19:37:32 I guess the difference here really appears when the infrastructure is not that developed outside of the city 19:38:09 annabelleB: +1 19:39:05 Yeah like I said I just thought it was cool so kept it plus the region one. 19:39:46 The age one we'd have to compare to how it lines up with our previous one, I think that's important to keep the same or close to what will be in CHAOSS 19:40:12 spotz: on the region one, if you have country, you can create region if the diveristy WG decides it’s interesting 19:40:34 trying to keep striking out so you don’t get survey taker fatigue 19:40:39 annabelleB: Yeah and in this case it's better to collect the narrower data 19:40:55 spotz: +1 19:41:11 I like the wording on the English as well as the disability ones from Mozilla 19:41:36 I don't think the technology question applies to us 19:41:54 spotz: in CHAOSS it would be interesting to see a wider selection of questions with suggestions on how to narrow it down for a shorter survey and having maybe follow up questions or a longer survey to get more actionable data 19:43:23 spotz: agreed on the technology one 19:43:48 Mozilla kinda duplicates the transgender question as it's actually covered in 13. Where do you identify on the gender spectrum? And I think that is a great one that covers most everything 19:44:58 15 looks awful in the either pad but it's one of thos rate from 1-X charts which could have some useful data 19:46:43 I think 16, 17 and 23 might be worth using. SOme of the others I've got there have value but not for this I don't think 19:47:03 And we're at the 15 minute mark. 19:47:32 I have the WSJ article on the agenda and Open discussion or we can keep weeding through? 19:51:25 I think it’d be more valuable to keep pushing through the questions 19:52:15 annabelleB: Ok let's spend the last 9 minutes on that. 19:53:32 +1 on mozilla’s 23 19:56:16 Noted on top annabelleB 19:58:05 I put a note in but we have 3 minutes left. Should we add a racial.ethnicity question before asking if someone feels like their are a minority? 19:59:47 If anyone is typing we've got 1 minute left 19:59:50 yes 20:00:29 Ok noted. And I'm going to end the meeting log but will be about between here and the OUI meeting 20:00:34 #endmeeting