19:01:13 <spotz> #startmeeting Diversity-WG
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19:01:19 <cmurphy> o/
19:01:24 <cdent> hai
19:01:24 <spotz> #topic Roll Call
19:01:39 <spotz> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda
19:01:45 <spotz> Agenda for those who need it:)
19:02:23 <spotz> We'll give folks a few minutes though I need to leave on time for an appointment in San Antonio at 2:45 ay
19:02:39 <eumel8> o/
19:03:58 <spotz> Let's go ahead and get started and any stragglers can catch up:)
19:04:08 <spotz> #topic Survey First Draft
19:04:13 <spotz> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-survey-spring-2018_draft
19:05:03 <spotz> Over the last 2 meetings we have pretty much gone over the original draft survey, the final questions and some of the questions from the Mozilla survey. I have combined them down to that draft
19:06:28 <cdent> that seems a reasonable set. not too onerous
19:07:01 <spotz> cdent There might be 1 or 2 more then the original but we also removed a few so we should be about the same.
19:07:33 <spotz> If anyone has any better wording for any of them please add the re-write under the current version
19:10:36 * cdent will review more properly tomorrow
19:10:40 <spotz> After we have a consensus on the questions, the next step will be the responses to go with them. I think we should go with the response choices from the Mozilla survet for gender, disability and English if there are no objectives I think those were pretty inclusive
19:11:31 <cmurphy> ++
19:11:35 <cdent> agree
19:11:37 <ildikov> +1
19:12:37 <spotz> I'm not 100% the list I put for race/ethniticity is complete, I put 2 versions of the US census together. I had to re-type from an image but I think everything is spelled alright. If anyone can think of any additions or seperations needed again add under what's there
19:14:06 <nicoleh> hi there!
19:14:26 <spotz> I'm definitely not sure we're covering all of the African content there, as I'm only mentioning the grouping of Middle Eastern and Northern Aftica
19:14:30 <spotz> Hey nicoleh welcome
19:14:39 <nicoleh> thanks amy!
19:15:08 <spotz> And I don't want to accidently offend anyone with those 2 'other' groupings
19:16:55 <spotz> Does anyone want to continue with this or take some time to go over and add to the etherpad later? We will be skipping the next meeting for those going to the PTG
19:17:12 <ildikov> I feel like we should have an 'other, please specify' field everywhere we gave options...
19:17:39 <fungi> i agree
19:17:53 <fungi> i don't think we can ever assume we've covered every possible answer
19:17:57 <cmurphy> ++
19:18:08 <spotz> ildikov: Ok that'll be every question I think. I'm pretty sure we can do that with Survey Monkey, or have a follow-up optional question as the other
19:18:39 <ildikov> spotz: cool, that sounds good
19:18:44 <spotz> fungi: Oh I know we won't:( Almost every reource I looked at was US based
19:19:07 <ildikov> I wasn't sure whether I'm paranoid or others feel this way too :)
19:19:13 <spotz> My biggest fear is offending someone by using a US based description of something
19:20:14 <spotz> ildikov: The hope is to have enough choices they won't need it, but yeah it needs to be there. We'll need to put a group together to collate no matter what I think
19:22:17 <spotz> So let's put a deadline of next meeting for comments/re-writes which is a month. Hopefully a small number for discussing during the meeting and then make some progress on responses to go with the questions
19:22:34 <spotz> That work for everyone?
19:23:50 * cdent nods
19:23:57 <fungi> sounds reasonable
19:24:00 <ildikov> works for me
19:24:12 <spotz> Ok next topic then
19:24:20 <spotz> #topic CHAOSS
19:24:47 <spotz> ildiko any updates? I'll try to make the next call but will be in Dallas at the office so may not make it
19:25:34 <ildikov> so there's a Diversity and Inclusion group within the CHAOSS project
19:25:55 <ildikov> they are working with the Mozilla people as far as I know
19:26:06 <ildikov> so far I couldn't find the time to participate
19:26:39 <spotz> ildikov: I'll try to make the next one if I do miss Tuesday
19:26:44 <ildikov> I know that they are looking into activities like ours and as they have the Bitergia guys around too they are aware of our survey and activities in this area as well
19:26:55 <nicoleh> yes, there's a Diversity & Inclusion group within the CHAOSS project ... i've been part of that ...
19:26:55 <ildikov> there's a working group call tomorrow
19:27:18 <spotz> Oh tomorrow? That I can make! I am so calendar challenged:)
19:27:48 <ildikov> 12pm Central Time on Zoom: https://unomaha.zoom.us/j/720431288
19:28:02 <nicoleh> the research that we've been working on with bitergia helped to frame the basis of that working group
19:28:08 <ildikov> spotz: yep, it's on the 13th :)
19:28:19 <nicoleh> we have a call with them tomorrow
19:28:25 <ildikov> nicoleh: +1
19:28:41 <spotz> nicoleh: will you be on that noon call too?
19:29:00 <nicoleh> i can join that call too
19:30:45 <nicoleh> our call tomorrow morning is focused on prep for a joint session at open source leadership summit
19:30:51 <spotz> Great the more the merrier. Anyone else have anything in regards to CHAOSS or needs more information?
19:31:14 <nicoleh> focused on the working group
19:32:32 <ildikov> if anyone wants to read more about what chaoss is: chaoss.community is the web site
19:32:38 <fungi> i'd be curious to listen in but have an opendev event planning call at the same time. will there be meeting minutes published?
19:33:00 <ildikov> and the diversity and inclusion metrics repo is this one: https://github.com/chaoss/metrics/blob/master/1_Diversity-Inclusion.md
19:35:00 <spotz> fungi: We can see if they record it?
19:35:40 <fungi> nah, i'll just get updates from people who attend ;)
19:36:14 <spotz> And hopefully we can align some of our question reposnses to CHAOSS as well as the previous survey
19:36:22 <ildikov> the regular weekly calls have minutes
19:36:38 <ildikov> I think Georg will publish one after tomorrow's meeting too
19:37:16 <fungi> where do they keep their meeting minutes?
19:40:29 <ildikov> the minutes of the monthly call is on the wiki: https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/chaoss/metrics
19:41:17 <ildikov> not sure about other meetings :/
19:42:02 <fungi> thanks!
19:43:08 <spotz> Cool thank Ildiko
19:43:21 <spotz> Let's go ahead and move on as we have 17 minutes left
19:43:30 <spotz> #topic Diversity at Summit
19:44:59 <spotz> I've got ahead and submitted a session to review the old survey and hopefully the new one, or at least what are goals are for it. I know it's early but I'd also like to see what folks think about having either a formal group meeting or at least a session where people can come to ask questions beyond that presentation if it gets accepted
19:46:04 <cdent> a forum session of some kind might be useful, especially if it is oriented towards a particular topic
19:46:41 <fungi> yeah, forum seems more appropriate than a conference talk
19:46:48 <fungi> but i may be biased
19:47:30 <spotz> I wasn't quite sure if we qualify for forum or not, but I was hoping at the least a WG slot
19:48:41 <fungi> i don't see why community diversity wouldn't be a valid forum topic, personally
19:49:14 <ildikov> yeah, I think it should qualify, quite an important discussion topic
19:49:18 <fungi> if the goal is to get other people from the community to come and discuss, rather than just having a working group session for working group business
19:49:19 <spotz> fungi: More that we're not under TC or UC, but then again neither are the new SIGs
19:49:45 <fungi> the forum isn't really supposed to be team-specific sessions anyway
19:49:55 <fungi> more like "here's a problem we need to tackle"
19:49:58 <spotz> Definitely want new folks, new ideas and lost of questions with hopefully answers
19:50:07 <spotz> lots
19:50:16 <ildikov> +1
19:50:37 <ildikov> the Forum is also not designed by these umbrellas as fungi said
19:51:00 <spotz> Cool then will definitely request a forum space:)
19:51:10 <fungi> yeah, ideally it's supposed to be topics cutting across multiple facets of the community at large
19:51:22 <spotz> We definitely qualify there:)
19:53:02 <ildikov> :)
19:53:16 <spotz> Ok made note so I don't forget on the agenda for Forum session. For Tokyo there was a lot of 'Diversity Messaging' from looking at the old notes, I think as we get closer we can see what if any we want to have in that regards. And it'll give me more time to maybe summarize old notes for the group
19:54:00 <spotz> Anyone else have anything else to discuss Summit wise? OR we can move to OPenDiscussion for the last 7 minutes
19:55:46 <spotz> #topic Open DIscussion
19:55:54 <spotz> If we have any that is:)
19:57:59 <fungi> *crickets*
19:58:01 <spotz> Ok I'm gonna take the silence as we're good! For those travelling to Dublin safe trips and I'm SOOO jealous:(
19:58:09 <fungi> thanks!
19:58:28 <spotz> I do take payments in Connemara Ponies, and Durbarry Galway Boots....:)
19:58:55 <spotz> #endmeeting