17:01:07 <spotz> #startmeeting diversity-wg
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17:01:20 <spotz> #topic Roll Call
17:02:16 <fungi> ahoy
17:02:37 <spotz> Hey we get to use the new chhannel!
17:03:24 <spotz> One thing in the agenda
17:03:43 <spotz> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda
17:04:19 <spotz> megheisler: where are you!
17:04:48 <megheisler> I'
17:04:53 <megheisler> Im here!
17:05:32 <spotz> Sweet
17:05:47 <spotz> #topic Bylaws Audit
17:06:23 <spotz> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/diversity-legal-audit
17:07:32 <spotz> So Meg started on this during our last meeting and I went through the bylaaws last week using the same method she was using but adding in the # of times the word in question was used in that section
17:08:15 <spotz> If we can get this finished today I have saved a spot at the Board meeting tomorrow
17:09:15 <megheisler> I dropped the ball on that one, I forgot to write it in my to do list. I'm happy to help to get it finished
17:09:37 <fungi> looks like a reasonably short list of edits, that's reassuring
17:09:38 <spotz> SO I focused on Chairman whether as Chairman or Vice Chairman and then continued with his including mentions of his or her
17:10:04 <spotz> Well my question for not saying we're done is can anyone think of any other words?
17:10:59 <fungi> any of the problem words we brainstormed for the inclusivity work
17:11:10 <fungi> though my guess is none of those are present
17:11:51 <fungi> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Diversity/Inclusivity
17:13:16 <spotz> We could check for manpower,manned or native but I don't think they're there. The others I really doubt
17:14:10 <spotz> Manpower and manned not in the mail page
17:14:24 <spotz> Neither is native
17:14:54 <megheisler> I just did a ctrl+f for all and didn't see them either
17:15:22 <spotz> Teah that's how I was doing it. Did you check appendices yet?
17:16:18 <spotz> Ok it looks like we're good on those too
17:16:22 <megheisler> going through those now, 2-4 are good
17:16:31 <megheisler> oh ok great
17:16:42 <fungi> yeah, i didn't expect to find any of those, but it's good to double-check, since those are our recommendations after all
17:17:23 <spotz> Is there anything else we feel needs to be done here?
17:17:53 <fungi> but nice to know that our bylaws are already using inclusive terminology otherwise. perhaps we need to mention gendered pronouns on the inclusivity list as well (and "chairman"), as an outcome of this exercise?
17:18:29 <megheisler> I agree Fungi
17:19:05 <spotz> We're recommending chairperson, and then if it says his then their, and the few places where it's multiple change like his or her to his, her, or their
17:19:07 <fungi> i can take care of that shortly, if nobody beats me to it
17:19:33 <fungi> but it's a wiki, so anybody feel free to update the list
17:19:34 <spotz> Oh duh, thought you meant here. Yeah we need to update the wiki
17:20:05 <spotz> here being the bylaws. Haven't had coffee yet:(
17:20:11 <fungi> no worries
17:20:27 <spotz> I still have the page up I'll grab t
17:21:06 <fungi> just figured a byproduct of the bylaws exercise was that we identified terms therein which were less inclusive, and proposed replacements, so it's a good fit to update the inclusivity recommendations with as well
17:21:22 <spotz> Yep
17:21:37 <fungi> thanks!
17:21:53 <spotz> Or not I'm not seeing an edit on the page
17:22:07 <spotz> NM
17:24:13 <fungi> logged in? ;)
17:24:31 <spotz> Yeah I was looking at the parts not the top of the page
17:24:41 <spotz> Ok how does the bottom look - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Diversity/Inclusivity
17:24:54 <megheisler> I'm trying to figure out how to invite but not sure, I'm using freenode so that may be my issue
17:24:55 <spotz> Besides not being bolded
17:25:06 <spotz> Invite?
17:25:36 <megheisler> the top of the agenda eather pad, Lisa says the channel is asking for an invite
17:25:59 <fungi> is she trying to join the wrong channel?
17:26:29 <spotz> Yeah just add channel
17:26:36 <megheisler> got it
17:26:50 <spotz> Hey!
17:26:53 <SWDevAngel> ahhhh
17:27:09 <spotz> Ok fixed the bolding. Let me know if that reads ok on the pronouns entry
17:27:45 <fungi> SWDevAngel: see http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openinfra-diversity/%23openinfra-diversity.2021-03-01.log.html if you want to catch up on the discussion so far
17:28:07 <spotz> And I added some ors:)
17:29:06 <megheisler> yeah, spotz I think that reads well
17:29:47 <spotz> Ok
17:30:00 <spotz> We'll give SWDevAngel a few minutes to catch up
17:30:14 <SWDevAngel> I'm reading eavesdrop! :)
17:30:57 <fungi> actually dropping the .html off that url gives a more current (raw) feed of the channel logs, the pretty html version only gets refreshed every ~20 minutes
17:31:02 <fungi> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openinfra-diversity/%23openinfra-diversity.2021-03-01.log
17:34:18 <SWDevAngel> Okay cool. I was reading the page while I was not able to connect and I also didn't see anything you didn't already catch.
17:35:02 <SWDevAngel> I like "chair" but I'm not a lawyer or judge so maybe "chairperson" is better.
17:35:25 <spotz> Ok good. SO tomorrow I'll present our findings to the board. Well we can definitely make it either in our recommendation
17:35:56 <spotz> Wiki edited for tht
17:36:35 <spotz> Ahh unlesssomeone is also green we already have the 2 options on the etherpad
17:37:00 <spotz> So anything else on the bylaws and/or wiki?
17:37:23 <SWDevAngel> I like the "ors" I think that works well
17:37:42 <fungi> just be prepared that edits to different parts of the bylaws and appendices need approval from different sets of people, so they might not all get updated at the same times
17:37:58 <SWDevAngel> So.... this may be a stupid question, but... it's still called the OpenStack Foundation? I thought they changed that?
17:38:17 <spotz> Right we're just giving our findings. SOme can just be made, others require a vote depending on section
17:38:39 <spotz> It is Open Infrastructure Foundation but the new pages aren;t up
17:38:42 <fungi> the openstack foundation is still the current legal entity, as far as i understand. it has filed a "doing business as" open infrastructure foundation, to give legal documents and contracts time to be switched
17:39:13 <SWDevAngel> Ahhh okay. Yeah.... as mentioned before... I'm not a lawyer. Don't even play one on tv
17:39:27 <fungi> at some point in the (hopefully not terribly distant) future, it will officially become the open infrastructure foundation
17:39:33 <spotz> Which is why we're just giving recommendations of our findings
17:39:40 <megheisler> I had no idea how any of the naming works with the foundation, that's interesting to know
17:39:57 <fungi> yeah, you basically need to have both names be legal for some period of time
17:39:59 <spotz> So much legal!
17:40:26 <fungi> these transitions take months, sometimes years, depending on the size of an organization
17:40:44 <spotz> Oh and this version of the bylaws doesnt have Silver Members yet
17:41:11 <fungi> publicly it's the open infrastructure foundation, but ni an official legal sense both names are valid for a while
17:41:52 <SWDevAngel> Okay. interesting.
17:42:06 <spotz> Ok we have 20 minutes left. Anything on this?
17:42:27 <megheisler> are there other sets of bylaws going to other members that need to be reviewed, or will changing this one cover it?
17:43:34 <spotz> These are the bylaws, we did vote and change Corporate Sponsors to Silver Members but everything but name is staying the same
17:43:59 <megheisler> Ok great
17:45:36 <spotz> Ok declaring the topic closed for now:)
17:45:45 <spotz> #topic Open Discussion
17:46:14 <spotz> If anyone has any non-bylaw topics. Ideas for what to do next, etc?
17:47:26 <fungi> ptg is coming up, worth thinking about if we want to schedule some time once the dates are announced
17:47:39 <spotz> fungi: Should we give a timeline for retiring the old channel? We should probably look aat the WG and and WoO wiki pages first and update them
17:48:18 <fungi> spotz: yeah, we could probably do a wiki search and codesearch for the old channel name just in case we missed anywhere less obvious
17:48:21 <SWDevAngel> Has there been talk of doing ANY meetings (or anything) in person in 2021? I see that the CNCF still has KubeCon NA listed as a hybrid event in Los Angeles. I'll be SHOCKED if that happens, but we'll see.
17:48:21 <spotz> Yeah I always grab us a block, maybe we could do a progress check on how folks are doing on stance related changes?
17:49:07 <spotz> Open Source Summit EU in Dublin end of September is still there, NA was cancelled.
17:49:13 <fungi> i believe diablo_rojo is planning to kick everyone remaining out of the old channel in a couple more weeks, but the forward to the new channel will exist indefinitely
17:49:28 <spotz> OIF was working on making Summit virtual if they can push the Berlin contract another year
17:51:14 <spotz> Hrm if anyone wants to put a talk in for Dublin let me know, I could get my trainer to ride my pony:)
17:51:33 <spotz> Have not heard anything on GHC yet
17:51:38 <fungi> yeah, unofficially, i have no expectation the openinfra summit will be in-person in 2021. travel logistics for so many prospective attendees will be uncertain for too long still
17:52:03 <spotz> Yeah I was surprised they were still talking about Dublin
17:52:23 <fungi> local-hybrid events seem to be gaining interest, so no idea if we'll try to do something along those lines
17:53:00 <fungi> and things like user groups organizing keynote viewing parties
17:53:45 <SWDevAngel> I have another general question. Is there a "job board" or an "I'm hiring" section of either IRC or the OIF/OpenStack web pages? I'm hiring in my DevRel team for a Tech Evangelist at the moment. Not with OpenStack or Infra experience specifically though. More like Javascript/Typescript and of course containers (pref K8s)... but there's overlap with communities, so I'll post it if we have a place.
17:53:47 <spotz> Yeah so my recommendation would be don't plan on it especially if not vaccinated but that's just my unoffical feelings on all conferrences for 2021
17:53:48 <SWDevAngel> Also - if you know of anyone who would be interested, send them my way! ;)
17:53:55 <megheisler> oh that's an interesting approach, I hadn't heard of viewing parties but makes sense
17:54:16 <spotz> There is an OpenStack job board but think it needs to be OpenStack related
17:54:43 <SWDevAngel> And yeah Amy, I was pretty bummed about last EU OSS summit. I actually had a talk accepted, AND I've never been to Dublin! Would have loved to check it out. :)
17:54:50 <fungi> SWDevAngel: there's https://www.openstack.org/community/jobs/ but yeah the foundation is working on a complete redo of that idea to something a little more modern
17:55:19 <spotz> SWDevAngel: let me know if you want to team up on something
17:55:41 <fungi> they have some interesting ideas on how to put together a more effective matchmaking service for prospective employers and people who are looking for something in our specializations, but i don't think they've entirely worked out what yet
17:56:05 <SWDevAngel> Sure let's do it! When's the CFP due?
17:56:30 <spotz> 6/13
17:56:41 <SWDevAngel> (I now have my official OSS speaker's badge! I guess they liked the talk. :)  (For whatever that's worth)
17:57:05 <spotz> fungi yeah I'd recommended someone post an OpenStack job there once I dont think it got much traffic
17:57:31 <spotz> Ok as we've gone off D&I except for submitting a talk I'm going to close the log
17:57:42 <spotz> #endmeeting