14:00:51 #startmeeting diversity-wg 14:00:51 Meeting started Tue Mar 12 14:00:51 2024 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:51 The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' 14:01:13 #chair fungi 14:01:13 Current chairs: fungi spotz[m] 14:01:20 #topic Roll Call 14:01:30 heya 14:03:06 I had 2 main things to discuss, PTG and lack of survey results 14:03:30 Do we also want to talk about your fund raising ideas? 14:03:31 i also wanted to brainstorm survey promotion ideas 14:03:51 Perfect 14:05:39 So historically we have met on Monday, but do we want to just grab our normal Tuesday slot provided no conflicts? 14:05:48 #topic PTG 14:09:57 we do have some slots for opendev i wanted to avoid conflicts with, lemme check 14:10:35 also sorry for the prolonged silence, i missed that you asked a question right before switching the topic rather than after 14:11:06 yeah, i have no conflicts at this time 14:12:20 sounds good to me 14:15:43 Ok so Monday or Tuesday?:) 14:16:11 And yeah I got out of order:( 14:16:42 yeah, i'm free 14-15z on both monday and tuesday 14:17:06 opendev's doing wednesday and thursday anyway 14:17:35 openstackl release team's on friday, and openstack tc is thursday/friday (so far) 14:18:25 and openstack security sig hasn't picked times yet but i'll make sure that doesn't conflict 14:18:48 Ha we actually have our meeting that week! So why don't we just go with that? 14:19:42 perfect. it's been decided for us 14:20:04 Yep, ok I'll grab that slot as soon as I find the bot commands:) 14:20:11 Anything else on this topic? 14:20:43 nothing from me 14:21:26 #topic Diversity Survey 14:23:18 on promoting it, we've mentioned it in a recent foundation newsletter, but should do more 14:24:00 i can send something to the foundation mailing list and/or project mailing lists, but wonder if there are other venues we should be reaching out to 14:24:35 the challenge is striking a balance between reaching our community members and drawing unwanted attention from vandals/trolls 14:25:14 Yeah which is what I hope happened with that one comment we received last time 14:25:41 there are, unfortunately, people outside our community who like to undermine any efforts they deem leftist/woke/cancelculture/whatever 14:25:49 We can ask all the community managers to reach our to their projects 14:26:13 I'd say we could reqard folks but then that takes anonymity away 14:26:33 oh, that's a good idea. that also helps spread out and reduce the repetitiveness of things sent to mailing lists 14:26:52 getting community managers involved is a good idea i mean 14:27:01 rewards for taking surveys less so, right 14:27:05 And they should have a good relationship with their folks so it's closer to them vs us 14:27:32 And my book comand didn't work:( 14:27:39 not only do survey rewards undermine anonymity, they also add different incentives to the list of variables which already influence survey results 14:28:05 i don't see you issuing any commands in #openinfra-events 14:28:10 are you in the right channel? 14:28:32 That could be why:) 14:29:09 Or not 14:29:40 maybe something's screwy with the matrix bridge connecting that channel? 14:29:48 Yeah rewards are a double edge sword to begin with and for this type of survey it would hurt vs help 14:30:24 So let's try the community managers first and see if that helps any 14:30:24 you don't seem to be in the #openinfra-events channel at all 14:31:01 openstack-events! 14:31:03 i'll reach out to ildikov and clarkb about it, since the three of us are the current set of community managers 14:31:54 spotz[m]: you want openINFRA not openSTACK (the ptg is for more than just the openstack project) 14:32:22 we switched and combined channel names when we moved from freenode to oftc, years ago 14:32:59 Yeah but it's not finding the openinfra room, I'll log into IRC after the meeting 14:33:36 Ok so any other thoughts on the Survey? It really sucks it's been about a year with no new results 14:34:42 mainly just hoping that if we promote it in more places we might get people filling it out finally 14:36:33 Yeah ok let's go with that contacting the community managers to reach out to their projects to promote. We can also do the Foundation list ourselves 14:40:07 sounds good. do you want to do the foundation list one? since i'm the openstack community manager, that will help vary the notifications and maybe make them a little less repetitive 14:40:59 I can do it, let's maybe put together an etherpad so we can make sure we have a similar message to all the groups, doesn't have to be the same 14:41:00 looks like you got the ptg slot booked 14:41:20 yeah got frustrated with it:) 14:41:26 yeah, i can work with you on a rough outline of what the important details to communicate are 14:42:10 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/surveyemail 14:42:14 if you want to use that 14:42:38 spotz[m]: as for getting matrix to join "hidden" channels on oftc, there are instructions at https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix-irc.html 14:43:27 "It will display No results for ... Disregard that and hit enter or click Join, and you will join the room. 14:43:27 I just blame the user:) 14:46:01 Anything else on the survey topic? 14:46:15 nope, we can hack on that pad over the course of the week 14:46:37 maybe shoot for reaching out to the community managers next week? 14:47:05 Yeah and then give them time to add suggestions 14:48:36 Ok do we have anything else we want to discuss? 14:49:08 you said something about survey responses... i haven't checked them, were there any at all? 14:49:52 5 which might include both of us 14:50:28 I know it includes me 14:51:28 none this calendar year though? 14:51:46 i think my test submission was during the last summit 14:52:00 There's not time stamp but it's the same number as right after Summit 14:52:25 okay, so yeah nobody's taken it this year 14:52:47 i didn't have any other topics of discussion in that case 14:53:07 i threw a few notes into the survey communications etherpad so far 14:53:16 Me neither and we're almost at time 14:53:55 Cool I'll work on it too 14:53:59 thanks! 14:54:13 and yeah, i could use a quick break to put the kettle on before my next meeting at the top of the hour 14:54:27 Ok let's close out then I need coffee:) 14:54:32 #endmeeting