15:05:10 <spotz[m]> #startmeeting diversity-wg
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15:05:10 <opendevmeet> The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg'
15:05:17 <spotz[m]> #topic roll call
15:06:15 <fungi> hey there
15:07:20 <spotz[m]> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda
15:07:34 <spotz[m]> I just made a session for today so we can just work in there
15:08:55 <ildikov> o/
15:08:57 <ildikov> +1
15:09:34 <spotz[m]> So what tone do we want to take with this? An intro to what we do and our goals for the year?
15:11:06 <ildikov> If our goal is to raise more awareness then I think that's a good direction to go
15:11:12 <spotz[m]> I know the group was formed by the board I want to say during liberty as the first survey results were presented at the Mitaka summit - that's if we want to go that back
15:11:27 <spotz[m]> that far back...
15:11:53 <fungi> yeah, we could probably start with a combo of the bits on https://openinfra.org/about/diversity/ and the things we noted at oid-na/ptg needed adding
15:12:51 <fungi> summarize the history and charter, plug the survey and mention our other recent-ish activities, talk about where to find us to get involved
15:13:44 <spotz[m]> I'm also working with DMitry to hopefully get some funding for Outreachy
15:15:04 <fungi> yeah, that's a great addition
15:15:22 <spotz[m]> I'm going to put words in the agenda section and feel free to add/change/etc.
15:15:43 <ildikov> that all sounds good overall
15:15:46 <fungi> past foundation member involvement in conferences like ghc?
15:16:43 <spotz[m]> That started as WoO but when I combined the 2 groups it carried over for maybe a few years before it got dropped
15:17:52 <fungi> i wonder if it would be appropriate to preface the feature piece with a comment about how diversity and inclusion efforts are coming increasingly under attack, making these efforts even more important to invest in?
15:19:09 <ildikov> @fungi that feels a bit too close to politics to me, and it's also more US-centric
15:19:38 <fungi> yes, agreed. it's some of the motivation for doing the piece now, but maybe we don't need to point it out directly
15:19:53 <spotz[m]> Yeah though I think we can still talk about the importance. Maybe as part of why the group exists to begin with. Let me tie that in to the part I've got going
15:20:03 <ildikov> I like the note on DEI efforts being more important than ever, if we can highlight that in a different context
15:20:17 <fungi> right
15:20:37 <ildikov> spotz[m]: +1
15:20:39 <fungi> i do want to avoid making it seem political or geo-specific
15:21:17 <spotz[m]> Ok read what I got
15:24:24 <fungi> i'm waffling on whether we should refer to it as the openinfra foundation and then parenthetically mention that it was going by the openstack foundation at the time
15:24:51 <fungi> i think we mostly try to avoid unclarified mentions of the foundation's former name
15:24:54 <spotz[m]> We could leave that to editorial:)
15:25:05 <fungi> since audiences who are coming along now may not know the history
15:25:26 <spotz[m]> Wow I guess it has been a while
15:25:43 <fungi> 6-ish years?
15:26:20 <fungi> but yeaj, we can get help from hspease[m] and aprice in polishing it too once we have the content nailed down
15:26:35 <ildikov> We can also choose to share less of those details and just say 'the working group was created with the mission of ...'
15:26:46 <spotz[m]> No, I want to say the vote was while I was on the board already
15:26:53 <ildikov> and since then the OpenInfra BoD and community took it to where it is today
15:27:34 <ildikov> so we put more emphasis on the mission, rather than who worked on it at the beginning
15:27:47 <fungi> mmm, yeah foundation name change press release dated 2020-10-20 so it's only been ~4.5 years. anyway, getting off topic
15:28:57 <spotz[m]> Ok let's get back to words in the agenda and we can get it coherent later. We do have a hard stop in 32 minutes
15:29:18 <fungi> hspease[m]: do you have a target length for this? words/sentences/paragraphs/whatever?
15:41:56 <fungi> i threw in some stuff about the inclusive language effort, coc overhaul, the about page on the foundation site, and shamelessly copied bits about the meetings and mailing list from there
15:42:17 <fungi> also added links. please feel free to reword any of what's there
15:42:53 <spotz[m]> Yeah saw you doing your magic. You're much better at words then me:)
15:43:14 <fungi> not at all, mostly copy-paste ;)
15:43:59 <spotz[m]> I think we have something Helena and Allison can start with and we can edit what they make of it
15:44:34 <fungi> well, we've still got 15 minutes to think of other stuff to cram in there or polish some of what we already added
15:45:20 <spotz[m]> It's hard not know exactly what they want/need
15:45:55 <fungi> i think it's just a theme, and whatever we want to make of that
15:46:38 <fungi> opportunity to try to get more people involved in our activities, highlight the various kinds of diversity our projects enjoy and where we need to improve, whatevrr
15:47:02 <spotz[m]> Well so far we've given some background on the start, things we've done in the past, and how to find us. How about goals for this year?
15:47:15 <fungi> yes! that would be great
15:47:25 <fungi> last meeting we talked about some goals and to-do items
15:47:50 <fungi> also if we talk about what we have planned, that might give readers a little better idea of where they could pitch in
15:49:30 <spotz[m]> SO looking at the section underneath translations I think might be the best to bring up. The survey results just are depressing or I should say the lack of results. I pushed it at FOSDEM in the session there. And landing page we could use help there but it's not a life or death thing there
15:53:48 <spotz[m]> Ok new point added for current endeavours
15:54:20 <fungi> yeah, i think that's great, thanks!
15:55:14 <spotz[m]> I saw we leave it like that for now and see what feedback we get
15:56:38 <spotz[m]> saw = say
15:56:43 <fungi> yep, sounds good. i also gave hspease[m] a heads up with the link to where we drafted it
15:57:06 <fungi> and i'll get her the link to the meeting minutes too
15:57:54 <spotz[m]> Ok I'm going to close the meeting if no one else has anything so I can get a drink before the next meeting
15:58:11 <fungi> thanks!
15:58:24 <spotz[m]> Thank you!
15:58:27 <spotz[m]> #endmeeting