14:00:26 #startmeeting docteam 14:00:27 Meeting started Wed Feb 11 14:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegent_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:30 The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' 14:00:34 Let's kick it off! 14:00:41 #topic Action items from the last meeting 14:01:10 APAC met last, but I'll review the action items from this timezone 14:01:24 Sam-I-Am to ask about keystone v3 uptake for major ref architectures like RDO, Mirantis (Rackspace is going to v3) 14:01:31 any info there? 14:01:55 * nickchase will be right back 14:01:57 keystone ptl said use v3, other than that no info 14:02:18 ha of course he did 14:02:24 no prob Nick 14:02:33 Does Nick know? 14:02:38 supposedly it handles v2 too 14:02:47 bak 14:02:50 no 14:02:54 does Nick know what? 14:03:03 everything! 14:03:08 heh, does your Mirantis ref architecture include v3 keystone? 14:03:10 well, there's that. :) 14:03:20 .... good question. I can find out. 14:03:30 all I can figure is that people using v3 keystone dont use domains 14:03:39 since that seems to be the last part that nova doesn't support 14:03:50 what is the actual question that I need to ask? 14:04:02 we can always include both for a while 14:04:04 I assume it's not "does Fuel use v3" :) 14:04:15 do you recommend v3 by default 14:04:19 ah 14:04:22 ok, checking. 14:04:41 nickchase: we're trying to see if we can convert all CLI commands to openstack CLI 14:05:04 ok moving onward 14:05:07 #topic Specialty teams reports: Networking, High Availability, Security, Training 14:05:17 Networking want to go ahead nickchase or Sam-I-Am? 14:05:27 sure. 14:06:21 So we sam-i-am et al have pretty much finished most/all of the scenarios and now we're in the process of putting things together and filling in the "here's what you needto know about neutron" portion. 14:06:23 Elke... 14:07:03 has been ill and is back, but despite a superhuman effort by Sam-I-Am to get her up and running I still haven't seen any content. I hope to remedy that today. 14:07:08 Also... 14:07:12 ok 14:07:21 I have some intro material from megm to add in that I will get to today. 14:07:27 all the scenarios, let's take a minute to give high fives all around!!! 14:07:30 o/ 14:07:37 \o 14:07:40 well mostly all :) 14:07:40 yeah! 14:07:40 Also (and I should have started with this) we decided to do RST 14:07:47 great 14:08:09 Yes, mostly. Sam-I-Am and Phil are doing some variations on what we already have 14:08:18 that is great 14:08:22 and Sam-I-Am is working on diagrams 14:08:28 we also submitted a summit talk 14:08:28 Also ... 14:08:32 that. :) 14:08:44 Take it, Sam-I-Am? 14:08:53 sure 14:09:24 we want to use a panel to discuss our efforts 14:10:07 basically a "how to contrib" deal 14:10:34 people with different experience and skill sets putting the guide together 14:10:49 I like it 14:10:54 not necessarily docs people 14:11:18 ok next team? 14:11:24 Okay anyone here from the HA Guide team? 14:11:31 (keepin' it movin') 14:11:33 * nickchase sheepishly raises hand 14:11:37 hee 14:11:37 lol 14:11:39 go for it 14:11:49 OK, so we have decided to ... 14:12:14 I noticed this review is sort of neglected https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143910/ 14:12:22 handle the "how does this relate to the install guide" question by summarizing the install guide steps and pointout which need special attention for HA. 14:12:40 yes, love that idea 14:12:58 So I was hoping to have a suggested TOC for tomorrow's meeting but the person who was going to do that was let go by her company (no names :() but I hope to take care of it anyway. 14:13:25 And then we figure we'll point back to the HA guide in the install guide. 14:13:29 End of status report. 14:13:31 nick maybe i can help a bit 14:13:38 that would be great, thaks 14:13:44 I will be talking to megm today 14:13:49 I'm hoping she can help as well. 14:13:58 doh. 14:14:01 that's always tough 14:14:17 yeah :( 14:14:25 can anyone contact Kenneth at Galera to see what he wants to do with the pre-hols patch? 14:14:28 fortunately she can still contribute. 14:14:45 oh, he's not a galera, sorry 14:14:59 I wonder if someone should just pick it up 14:15:36 pre-hols? 14:15:52 It came in 12/24 14:16:34 I wish it could get merged before the ops midcycle since HA Guide was quite the topic last time 14:16:55 when is that? 14:17:03 i think ha will be easier this time aroind 14:17:25 March 9-10 14:17:27 #link http://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-mid-cycle-meetup-tickets-15319934336 14:17:36 mainly because neutron has come a long way 14:18:14 ok, I know Brian Payne can't make this early morning meeting, anyone else with Security Guide updates? 14:18:28 Training? 14:19:00 I will mention that at yesterday's TC meeting we decided to enable teams to apply to become project teams again. 14:19:14 We (TC) will review them in line. 14:19:39 Look for a post from Thierry if you're interested. I think Security, Training, Translations should investigate. 14:20:41 ok 14:20:51 #topic User Guides new specialty team 14:21:12 Lana sent an email to the mailing list suggesting a new specialty team, for the User Guides. 14:21:44 I know SUSE is making edits upstream to use to ship with their products, so I invite any other downstream teams to join in if you support end users. 14:22:08 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-February/005811.html 14:22:18 Any questions on that? 14:22:34 No questions, but ... 14:22:41 sure 14:22:55 I've used that to recruit the Fuel guys use the HA guide in their docs. 14:23:04 (Hence getting their cooperation.) 14:23:15 oh yes 14:23:22 I want to say Redhat does the same reuse 14:23:47 open licensing for the win 14:24:20 ok let's see 14:24:29 #topic Doc tools latest: Sphinx theme progress 14:24:52 yesterday I made a change in the theme that will change how code and ini snippets are line numbered 14:25:04 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154699/ 14:25:18 basically, the javascript solution was broken and adding line numbers 14:25:21 you fixed that weirdness? 14:25:30 so, it means we need to add :linenos: to the examples 14:25:34 snippets 14:25:53 Sam-I-Am: I had a javascript dev on my team look at it, and he advised against a post-load solution 14:26:00 so we'll do it the Sphinx way 14:26:07 cool 14:26:08 I've added the info to our Conventions 14:26:42 Also wanted to say thanks to everyone who's reviewing the migrations in progress AND signing up for more migrations. 14:26:46 Much appreciated. 14:26:48 btw, my new colleauge Lena Logvinova suggested fix for nested RST numbering here 14:26:55 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152582/ 14:27:02 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate 14:27:22 thanks alexadamov 14:27:59 How we can take a piece of work you need help with? 14:28:15 Here are the remaining Spinx theme bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs/?field.tag=openstackdocstheme 14:28:26 Ok, Lena can help you with RST review and even translation to RST 14:28:29 alexadamov: sign up on that Documentation/Migrate wiki page 14:28:35 great thanks! 14:28:42 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs/?field.tag=openstackdocstheme 14:29:06 since the user guides currently use profiling for audience (enduser/adminuser), any ideas yet and what to do with that in RST? 14:29:34 taroth1: I have been researching it, and I think the solution lies in http://sphinx-doc.org/ext/ifconfig.html 14:29:43 taroth1: but I would love help researching solutions 14:29:51 I will have a look, thanks 14:29:57 #link http://sphinx-doc.org/ext/ifconfig.html 14:30:16 #info Still have output bugs from Sphinx, see link. 14:30:27 #info Need research on conditional output, see http://sphinx-doc.org/ext/ifconfig.html 14:30:44 taroth1: remind me, is it entire chapters that are conditionally included? 14:31:11 not sure, would need to check 14:31:18 so far; I remember sections 14:31:20 ok I won't side track :) 14:31:55 I do think we should make a decision about size of conditionals -- file at a time or at the para/chunk level 14:32:16 Ok any questions on the migration or Sphinx theme? 14:32:18 Oh I have one. 14:32:24 :) 14:32:25 Does anyone know if tox is meant to work with Windows? 14:32:41 no idea 14:32:50 I've been working with Laurel and it works then stops working. Quite flaky. 14:33:10 at least a Windows version is available (https://tox.readthedocs.org/en/latest/) 14:33:14 Once I get the latest theme released, I want to get the tox builds working with the new theme. 14:33:22 "cross-platform: Windows and Unix style environments" 14:33:30 she said one of her Windows devs gave up on tox 14:33:34 :) 14:33:43 ok that's all of my questions :) 14:34:00 #topic Installation guide: 2/12 deadline for a Debian plan 14:34:33 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-February/005824.html 14:34:43 I posted that on a Friday afternoon so I wanted to be sure to bring it up here. 14:35:19 The bugs are still marked "Undecided" "New" so I don't know if anyone has looked yet. 14:35:34 Well, correction, I think 2 have been triaged. 14:35:36 reading... 14:35:52 yeah, long post sorry :) 14:36:24 haven't looked at bugs, but I will 14:36:46 * annegent_ does some tagging 14:36:48 thanks alexadamov 14:36:50 there is no any reference in manuals on proper Virtualbox configuration for that. 14:36:56 (done reading) 14:37:00 Do we need to adress this issue in install guide? 14:37:14 Ultimately, yes. 14:37:15 alexadamov: all I'd like by next Monday is a plan written up 14:37:36 alexadamov: but yes, the technical issues need to be addressed in the plan 14:37:55 its a combination of packaging and install guide issues 14:38:18 I don't know if zigo has had a chance to review either, but maybe alexadamov you and zigo and nickchase can put your heads together 14:38:30 :) 14:38:47 you bet 14:38:54 thank you :) 14:39:09 okay 14:39:23 #topic Open discussion 14:40:01 I've sent in our request to the Foundation/Thierry for 4 fishbowl sessions, 2 working group sessions, and a half-day hacking space for the Vancouver summit. 14:40:12 nice. 14:40:12 cool 14:40:50 Also, the product managers for OpenStack at various companies are collecting roadmaps for Kilo, Liberty, and M release from all the PTLs. 14:40:57 So I'm working on that. 14:41:03 oh yes, Liberty is the l release 14:41:09 (When did we name the Liberty release?) 14:41:14 yesterday 14:41:26 Apparently it was very close between Liberty and Lizard 14:41:27 don't remember a vote or anything, did I just miss it? 14:41:35 you must have missed it, the vote went out last week 14:41:35 lizard was my first choice :( 14:41:38 heh 14:41:39 thanks 14:41:45 it was quick 14:42:14 Also the APAC meeting is moving 2 hours earlier, to 0100 UTC 14:43:13 anything else? 14:43:47 not from here 14:43:59 nope 14:44:01 nope 14:44:10 okie doke! 14:44:24 Chat with you all in #openstack-doc, thanks for attending! 14:44:27 #endmeeting