00:40:24 #startmeeting docteam 00:40:25 Meeting started Wed Feb 10 00:40:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:40:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 00:40:28 The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' 00:40:33 sorry for the late start everyone 00:40:42 no worries 00:40:45 nop 00:41:12 hi 00:41:18 heya 00:41:22 thanks for reminding me Sam-I-Am :) 00:41:22 hi 00:41:23 now i'm here 00:41:26 hi 00:41:31 i'd dug down to insane depths on my email ;) 00:41:49 ok, let's go straight to specs 00:41:57 #topic Specs in review 00:42:04 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z 00:42:25 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274231/ 00:42:36 Installation guide changes for Mitaka 00:42:53 i think i'm a little behind on this one 00:43:06 yep 00:43:11 i was hoping to chat more about removing the debian guide before we got too far on this 00:43:18 i'm installing pre-mitaka now :) 00:43:28 for debian? 00:43:43 no... this is rdo (because i could find packages) 00:43:47 i was thinking it's probably about that time that i should be contacting release-type people for the distros, too 00:43:52 debian is a lost cause at this point 00:43:56 well, at least we have RDO packages! 00:44:07 yeah, they built from trunk now which is good and bad 00:44:10 build 00:44:18 ubuntu is still milestone 1, so eeoooo 00:44:25 these are m3 00:44:28 ew 00:44:29 so.. close. 00:44:36 enough for me to start figuring out what all changes 00:44:37 also: we have a red hat writer on board, too 00:44:41 and there's quite a few changes 00:44:49 his name is petr kovar, and he's based in the czech republic 00:44:53 so far the rdo packages are less broken than usual, so thats a plus 00:45:04 bonus! 00:45:04 anywho... 00:45:17 ok, that's on my list of things to email people about then 00:45:23 the changes for rdo will likely impact ubuntu and suse too 00:45:42 yep 00:45:50 when's the next install guide meeting in APAC? 00:45:55 christian sort of bailed out of heading up the project 00:46:13 dunno... the US one was today, and i chaired it again 00:46:19 actually i've always chaired it 00:46:20 ah, next week ok 00:46:26 yeah, i noticed christian hasn't been around much 00:46:34 he commented on the mitaka spec 00:46:39 says hes working on some project 00:46:46 we might need to call for volunteers to look after that team again in austin 00:46:54 the install guide meeting only had 1 other attendee today 00:47:13 well, regardless of who volunteers, i usually wind up doing it, so i might as well throw my name into that hat 00:47:18 hrm, ok 00:47:32 should not happen at a summit imo. more e-maily-listy thing. 00:47:37 let's see if we can't rustle up some install guide enthusiasm over the next few weeks, anyway 00:47:41 yeah, we can do that too 00:47:45 anyway, let's move on 00:47:52 the debian bits :) 00:47:55 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274258/ 00:48:06 Convert warnings to errors for local builds 00:48:52 do we need to discuss that at all at this stage? 00:49:18 its not actually a spec 00:49:22 its fixing the specs repo 00:49:30 yeah, i was just looking at that 00:49:39 looks like it just needs a workflow 00:49:43 some bad rst got into our repos 00:49:51 so i tracked it down 00:50:11 right, got it 00:50:17 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275200/ 00:50:24 Manila Installation guide for Mitaka 00:50:52 i thought i told manila ages ago they weren't going in the install guide? 00:51:05 they seem to have gotten their stuff together 00:51:10 they've been on my case for about six months 00:51:14 there's a patch waiting that almost meets all of the requirements 00:51:19 so... if it works... it goes in 00:51:24 is it going to screw things up? 00:51:27 no 00:51:34 hrm, ok 00:51:38 so far looks and smells like cinder 00:51:38 i'll trust your judgement on that 00:51:49 so it can reuse our arch for cinder 00:51:56 what i didnt want was having to re-arch things 00:51:59 it does kind of undermine the 'defcore only' statement, though 00:52:13 i'm worried it'll open some kind of floodgate 00:52:17 if all the distros are pushing packages for it, and they work... its good enough. 00:52:24 yeah, that's a fair point 00:52:34 defcore kind of got murky with the big tent 00:52:35 Manila must be closer to reaching maturity levels too. 00:52:47 that's been their main argument all along 00:52:50 yea, pretty sure manila must be close 00:53:01 they wanted to be in the install guide to increase their official maturity 00:53:06 we've integrated it with sahara and i know it's coming in future RDO releases 00:53:06 so the requirements are a) do packages exist for all distros b) do they work c) can someone else contribute and maintain the content 00:53:33 its better when services are 'optional' 00:53:39 ok, so here's a q: is a manila person showing up at install guide meetings? 00:53:44 there was one today 00:53:52 the ptl, actually 00:53:52 ^good question 00:53:58 awesome 00:53:59 we had a nice long chat 00:54:03 heh 00:54:17 ok, let's move on to speciality teams then 00:54:26 #topic Speciality teams 00:54:40 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports 00:54:55 so i've been collected the speciality team reports on this etherpad since the beginning of the year 00:55:04 it's working better than the individual emails i was doing before 00:55:12 loquacities, sorry for the delay last week. 00:55:13 and it also gives us a better place to link to for this info 00:55:22 JRobinson__: no trouble, i know you were busy 00:55:31 The non email overhead has been greatly appreciated though. 00:55:39 yeah, it seems to be better 00:55:56 so generally i ask for updates on my wednesday, to be completed by around noon on my friday 00:56:05 i think the sec-guide has found someone to work on the neutron chapter 00:56:09 that way, i can get the newsletter out late on a friday afternoon 00:56:16 elmiko: oh, that's good! 00:56:49 #info Specialty Team Updates are due Friday. look out for a Wednesday reminder. 00:56:51 but, afaik, we are still working on getting the pdf formatting together 00:56:57 JRobinson__: thanks! 00:57:17 np 00:57:17 elmiko: yeah, i was wondering how that was going 00:57:20 is there an update on that? 00:58:59 i know sicarie is investigating it, but he has been pretty loaded up recently 00:59:04 right, ok 00:59:12 i haven't heard anything about it recently 00:59:15 he is getting back to it though 00:59:19 any other comments on speciality teams? 00:59:26 yea, the whole rst->pdf is proving troublesome 00:59:31 we more or less covered the install guide 00:59:40 elmiko: i'm not terribly surprised, honestly 00:59:40 networking guide is moving along slowly as usual 00:59:51 Sam-I-Am: yep, install guide is in my sights this week 01:00:00 slowly but surely? ;) 01:00:01 loquacities: par for the course, i suppose ;) 01:00:05 so much to do, so little time... and people. 01:00:07 elmiko: lol, yep 01:00:12 plus i've been sucked into networking-ovn 01:00:17 so thats getting some attention 01:00:25 User Guide meeting is still set for tomorrow. 01:00:28 lucky you :P 01:00:30 JRobinson__: thanks 01:00:33 No other updates other than that 01:00:44 also trying to fix neutron's mtu problems 01:00:45 #topic Countdown to release 01:00:48 thats been a fun one 01:01:11 #info 56 days 01:01:22 So about 9 weeks til N release. 01:01:25 #info DocImpact merged; however 01:01:36 60 days is usually my trigger for the install guide 01:01:36 heh, bad paste 01:01:49 Sam-I-Am: yeah, i was working on about the same timeframe 01:01:50 so i was glad a bunch of other stuff broke today and i could spend some time on it 01:02:14 so, docimpact is now merged, and *all* projects are opening docimpact bugs in their own queues 01:02:27 so far, no one has yelled at me over that 01:02:30 which is a nice change 01:02:38 the neutron folks just find me 01:02:53 they're not stupid ;) 01:03:32 #action loquacities will start contacting release/packaging people for Install Guide 01:03:52 Sam-I-Am: when do you want to start testing, officially? 01:04:15 right now is the changes/updates period 01:04:20 like... what breaks in mitaka 01:04:31 i took a crash course in fernet tokens earlier, for example 01:04:32 yep, so now is the time to work on packages 01:04:44 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/installguide-mitaka 01:04:48 thats where the work is going 01:04:49 do you think we can start testing 30 days out? 01:05:01 more or less 'findings' and changes from them 01:05:05 cool 01:05:07 thanks for that 01:05:29 yeah in 30 days we should have packages for all distros and be able to test the draft guide, making corrections as necessary 01:05:38 ok, let's roll with that as a plan, then 01:05:59 #info Plan to have testing on Install Guide begin at M-30 days 01:06:14 ok, i think that's all i have on release matters 01:07:01 #Open discussion 01:07:11 #topic Open discussion 01:08:01 anything else to discuss? 01:08:10 nothing here 01:08:15 cool 01:08:18 nothing from me 01:08:23 ok 01:08:28 thanks everyone :) 01:08:28 nothing major to go over. 01:09:01 #endmeeting