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19:00:39 <ShillaSaebi> Hello! Anyone here for the US docs meeting?
19:04:19 * njohnston lurks
19:04:22 <ShillaSaebi> hi
19:04:30 <jreeves> Hello
19:04:33 <ShillaSaebi> hi :)
19:04:38 <ShillaSaebi> so is it just us 3
19:04:44 <ShillaSaebi> anyone else here for the US docs meeting?
19:04:47 <mordred> devananda, mjturek1: yes.
19:05:01 <mordred> (sorry, delayed response, me goes away)
19:05:03 <gmolson> I'm here
19:05:27 <ShillaSaebi> ok we can run through the agenda
19:05:38 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Action items from the last meeting
19:05:40 <ShillaSaebi> none
19:05:55 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Specs in review
19:05:59 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z
19:07:10 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290053/ (Trove)
19:07:27 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289994/ (Magnum)
19:10:28 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Speciality teams
19:10:30 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports
19:10:40 <ShillaSaebi> feel free to look at the specialty team reports to see what the updates are
19:11:26 <ShillaSaebi> any questions so far
19:11:35 <njohnston> Question about the trove and magnum install guide specs, are those working with the project-specific install guides spec ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301284/ ), or are they operating in parallel?
19:14:02 <Sam-I-Am> bit late... calendar notification failure
19:14:12 <ShillaSaebi> hi Sam-I-Am
19:14:13 <ShillaSaebi> great timing
19:14:16 <ShillaSaebi> :)
19:14:21 <Sam-I-Am> well, ok.
19:14:41 <Sam-I-Am> anyone else here?
19:14:44 <ShillaSaebi> @njohnston i am not sure i beieve it's working in parallel
19:15:06 <ShillaSaebi> yes @njohnston is here and so is @jreeves
19:15:15 <ShillaSaebi> and @gmolson
19:15:30 <jreeves> you missed everything Sam-I-Am. 2 minutes too late
19:16:07 <Sam-I-Am> nice
19:16:08 <njohnston> ShillaSaebi: Thanks, I was curious.
19:16:26 <jreeves> j/k, of course
19:17:11 <ShillaSaebi> ok we were just covering the specialty teams
19:17:41 <amrith> njohnston, i just discussed (ML) with Andreas about the trove install guides
19:17:49 <amrith> it went to openstack-docs mailing list
19:18:07 <njohnston> amrith: Thanks, I will check it out.  I do get that, but I'm a little behind.
19:18:17 <Sam-I-Am> there was a lot of confusion about that
19:18:51 <Sam-I-Am> i told laurel some time ago that it was just missing the deadline by a tiny period, and a lot of effort went in, so we could merge it late, or even backport it
19:18:57 <Sam-I-Am> but not everyone is on the same page
19:19:07 <Sam-I-Am> this was before the spec to do whatever with the install guide
19:19:16 <amrith> njohnston, please see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-April/008434.html, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-April/008435.html, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-April/008436.html
19:19:17 <amrith> thx
19:19:55 <amrith> at this point, I believe that Andreas is fine with letting the docs into Mitaka if the docs team is ok with it.
19:19:58 <Sam-I-Am> the spec should only apply after it merges
19:20:02 <amrith> see the last email in the list.
19:20:04 <Sam-I-Am> yeah, and i'm fine with that to
19:20:40 <amrith> thanks; laurel isn't able to join the meeting as she's driving at the moment
19:20:47 <Sam-I-Am> i'm sure there will be lively discussion of the install guide at the summit, as there usually is... and no one ever commits to anything.
19:21:16 <amrith> I commit to attending the session(s) to discuss it.
19:21:26 <ShillaSaebi> on that note #topic Summit Planning
19:21:44 <njohnston> I commit to making a commitment to evaluate my commitments.
19:21:55 <ShillaSaebi> We have room allocations, please take a look at #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Newton-DocsSessions
19:22:10 <ShillaSaebi> If you are going to the summit, please look to see what/when/where the sessions are
19:22:34 <ShillaSaebi> feel free to add your ideas to the Etherpad as well
19:22:51 <Sam-I-Am> i probably wont be in the install guide stuff
19:22:57 <Sam-I-Am> i'm throwing in the towel on it
19:23:21 <Sam-I-Am> after 6 development cycles, the politics just overshadow any benefit i was getting out of it
19:24:18 <ShillaSaebi> im sorry to hear
19:24:41 <Sam-I-Am> yep, but so goes. plenty of other work to do with less politics.
19:24:55 <Sam-I-Am> the networking guide needs lots of love
19:25:01 <jreeves> I suspect you're going to have your hands full with Neutron anyway
19:25:17 <ShillaSaebi> he's got his hands full all the time
19:25:17 <Sam-I-Am> yeah, neutron has been increasingly consuming time
19:25:23 <Sam-I-Am> among other stuff
19:25:24 <ShillaSaebi> lots of work is ture
19:25:26 <ShillaSaebi> true*
19:25:30 <ShillaSaebi> im sorry to hear about the politics
19:26:05 * sc68cal drops in
19:26:11 <Sam-I-Am> i figure if other people think they can do a better job with the installation guide, then they can commit the resources to do it
19:26:20 <ShillaSaebi> sup sc68cal
19:26:46 <sc68cal> yo. if there's time in open discussion, can chat about ops guide rst
19:26:57 <ShillaSaebi> yeah
19:27:04 <ShillaSaebi> any other questions on summit sched and Etherpad
19:27:22 <Sam-I-Am> anyway, i'll attempt to finish the mitaka guide
19:27:40 <Sam-I-Am> which includes lagging changes and probably some bug reports as people try to use it
19:27:59 <Sam-I-Am> but no contributions beyond that
19:28:16 <ShillaSaebi> thanks for your help Sam-I-Am
19:28:24 <sc68cal> ++
19:28:39 <ShillaSaebi> alright
19:28:43 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Open Discussion
19:28:53 <ShillaSaebi> you guys are up
19:29:08 * sc68cal waits his turn since he came late
19:29:40 <Sam-I-Am> sc68cal: i dont think there's many people here
19:30:18 <ShillaSaebi> yeah feel free Sean
19:30:19 <sc68cal> Gotcha. Basically a lot of folks cleaned up the RST conversion, so I was looking to see what we need in the future to get it published
19:30:30 <ShillaSaebi> sweeeet
19:30:34 <sc68cal> I'm going to be doing a lot of work on the subject of upgrading an OpenStack clsuter
19:30:41 <sc68cal> so, I plan on contributing a lot of docs around it
19:30:43 <ShillaSaebi> sweeet x2
19:30:53 <ShillaSaebi> well that's great
19:30:59 <sc68cal> so I plan on working on the upgrades section quite a bit of the ops guide
19:31:55 <Sam-I-Am> i still think we should just collapse all of these separate guides into one, organized by service :)
19:32:13 <Sam-I-Am> is upgrading an admin thing? an operator thing? etc
19:32:25 <sc68cal> I think my plan was: Use the upgrades section to then point to more specific service doc
19:32:35 <sc68cal> so neutron has a lot of good work done by ihar and others in the devref about upgrades
19:32:39 <sc68cal> probaby nova has a lot too
19:32:54 <Sam-I-Am> yeah, that content shouldnt be in the devref
19:32:58 <Sam-I-Am> its for developers, not operators
19:33:05 <sc68cal> right. but that's where it currently is
19:33:11 <Sam-I-Am> it should be moved somewhere
19:33:35 <sc68cal> that's fine. My point was - there is content that really smart people have contributed, and we can use that as the basis for something more
19:33:42 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9511
19:33:46 <Sam-I-Am> makes sense
19:34:32 <ShillaSaebi> There is an ops-guide session in the ops track during the summit
19:34:45 * sc68cal adds to calendar
19:34:47 <sc68cal> thanks :)
19:34:52 <ShillaSaebi> awesome
19:35:28 <ShillaSaebi> This will be a great opportunity to talk about and plan the approach for the arch and ops-guid
19:35:30 <ShillaSaebi> guide*
19:35:36 <ShillaSaebi> I plan on attending
19:35:46 <sc68cal> arch guide is perfect. I helped write it. it's PERFECT
19:35:49 <sc68cal> ;)
19:36:31 <ShillaSaebi> +1
19:36:40 <ShillaSaebi> thank you for that
19:37:02 <ShillaSaebi> alright anything else anyone wants to discuss or bring up
19:37:33 <sc68cal> hmm, that meeting conflicts with the ops summit upgrades session?
19:39:41 <ShillaSaebi> im not sure
19:40:14 <ShillaSaebi> if it conflicts for you, write down your questions and concerns and i can take them there, bring them up and take notes
19:40:47 <ShillaSaebi> we will hopefully have some more insight after we get together in Austin
19:41:33 <ShillaSaebi> anyone have anything else to bring up?
19:42:38 <ShillaSaebi> ok if not then meeting adjourned
19:42:42 <ShillaSaebi> thank you all for joining
19:42:45 <ShillaSaebi> #endmeeting