19:04:14 <ShillaSaebi> #startmeeting docteam 19:04:15 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Sep 14 19:04:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04:17 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:04:19 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' 19:04:22 <ShillaSaebi> Hi Everyone! Roll call for the docs US meeting 19:04:27 <Sam-I-Am> hi 19:04:30 <DevonBoatwright> Oh! Hello! 19:04:56 <ShillaSaebi> hmm ok is it just the 3 of us today? 19:05:15 <Sam-I-Am> its pretty slim, as usual 19:05:21 <ShillaSaebi> yeah looks like it 19:05:30 <ShillaSaebi> okay lets get started then, probably be a quick one 19:05:32 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Action items from the last meeting 19:05:36 <ShillaSaebi> none that I know of 19:05:40 <Sam-I-Am> me neither 19:06:01 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Specs in review 19:06:04 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z 19:06:08 <ShillaSaebi> here are the specs 19:07:36 <Sam-I-Am> same stuff 19:07:42 <ShillaSaebi> yeah 19:07:53 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Speciality teams 19:07:57 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports 19:08:14 <ShillaSaebi> here are the updates 19:08:38 <Sam-I-Am> i'm still working on the networking guide deployment content rewriting 19:08:45 <Sam-I-Am> its long and painful, but needs to be done 19:08:57 <Sam-I-Am> on the install guide front, its interesting that i've seen zero patches for newton 19:09:04 <ShillaSaebi> wow 19:09:05 <Sam-I-Am> i'd consider that a problem at this point 19:09:12 <ShillaSaebi> sounds like it 19:09:20 <ShillaSaebi> have we added it to the etherpad for a topic to bring up in Barcelona 19:09:22 <ShillaSaebi> i think we hsould 19:09:25 <ShillaSaebi> should* 19:09:31 <Sam-I-Am> i havent seen or heard from lana in a few days 19:10:03 <Sam-I-Am> basically, if i dont work on it, it doesnt get done 19:10:09 <Sam-I-Am> its been that way for several cycles now 19:10:19 <ShillaSaebi> sounds like its a topic that needs to be brought up 19:10:40 <Sam-I-Am> possibly on the mailing list given that newton is released in what.. 2 weeks-ish? 19:10:56 <ShillaSaebi> 21 days 19:11:06 <Sam-I-Am> by now we usually have the majority of the changes done, at least to the core services 19:11:14 <ShillaSaebi> ok 19:11:19 <ShillaSaebi> so do you want to start that convo on the ML? 19:11:24 <lbragstad> o/ sorry i'm late 19:11:28 <ShillaSaebi> hi lbragstad 19:11:32 <ShillaSaebi> we are just going over the specialty teams 19:11:40 <Sam-I-Am> i'm no longer involved with the install guide, so... probably not. 19:11:41 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Speciality teams: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports 19:11:51 <lbragstad> ShillaSaebi awesome - thanks 19:12:01 <Sam-I-Am> frankly the projects in the guide should be updating the content for each release 19:12:03 <Sam-I-Am> that was the plan 19:12:15 <Sam-I-Am> and once again the core projects are avoiding it 19:12:29 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables 19:12:36 <ShillaSaebi> here are the Newton deliverables 19:12:40 <ShillaSaebi> let me check out install guide 19:14:19 <lbragstad> noob question - is install guide the same as installation tutorial? 19:14:29 <Sam-I-Am> lbragstad: i think the name changed for N but yeah 19:14:56 <Sam-I-Am> openstack-manuals/doc/install-guide 19:15:09 <lbragstad> Sam-I-Am from install guide to installation tutorial? 19:15:12 <Sam-I-Am> yeah 19:15:16 <Sam-I-Am> for one reason or another 19:15:19 <lbragstad> cool - thanks 19:15:22 <Sam-I-Am> its the same source though 19:15:33 <Sam-I-Am> and i'm sure keystone could use plenty of updates :) 19:16:44 <lbragstad> Sam-I-Am i take it these are the lastest keystone installation steps? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/doc/install-guide/source/keystone-install.rst 19:16:55 <Sam-I-Am> yeah 19:17:03 <Sam-I-Am> plus there's some keystone steps for each service 19:17:15 <lbragstad> Sam-I-Am sure - auth token config I bet 19:17:24 <Sam-I-Am> yeah, service creationm etc 19:17:26 <lbragstad> and service user creation 19:17:29 <lbragstad> yep - cool 19:17:42 <lbragstad> I have a few hours this afternoon, I can step through this with Newton 19:17:52 <Sam-I-Am> would be nice to get fully v3 too... i think we still have some hacks in there 19:18:01 <lbragstad> links? 19:18:04 <lbragstad> to the hacks? 19:18:11 <Sam-I-Am> the install guide should be 'the way service X should be configured, at a basic level' 19:18:40 <Sam-I-Am> lbragstad: things like using versions in the endpoints. maybe we can go with versionless now, etc. 19:18:54 <Sam-I-Am> lbragstad: basically, look over what we do and make it the Right Way 19:18:54 <lbragstad> ah 19:19:14 <Sam-I-Am> we also didnt implement the bootstrapper 19:19:30 <lbragstad> by implement you mean put in the install doc? 19:19:31 <Sam-I-Am> because it came really late in the M cycle and was not very well documented (probably still isnt) 19:19:36 <lbragstad> i see you're still referencing the admin token 19:19:37 <Sam-I-Am> yeah 19:19:39 <lbragstad> ok 19:19:43 <lbragstad> yeah - i just saw that 19:19:51 <Sam-I-Am> so yeah... there's... "stuff" 19:20:25 <lbragstad> Sam-I-Am want any of the gaps reported as bugs or do you just want pull requests? 19:20:40 <Sam-I-Am> at this point just PRs 19:20:44 <lbragstad> ok 19:20:51 <Sam-I-Am> use [install] blah blah in the commit msg 19:21:10 <Sam-I-Am> we usually avoid the bug overhead near a release 19:21:25 <Sam-I-Am> few weeks after release... bugs. 19:21:54 <Sam-I-Am> ShillaSaebi: i suppose we can move on 19:22:33 <ShillaSaebi> ok and as far as the operations guide, we have enterprise docs uploaded to google docs and looking over them 19:22:38 <ShillaSaebi> to see what content we want to push up 19:23:13 <Sam-I-Am> enterprise docs? 19:23:25 <ShillaSaebi> yeah stuff from Comcast 19:23:31 <ShillaSaebi> troubleshooting/ ops stuff 19:24:03 <Sam-I-Am> oh, thats good 19:24:13 <ShillaSaebi> yeah slowly but surely 19:24:25 <ShillaSaebi> anyone else want to talk about anything on specialty teams? 19:25:10 <ShillaSaebi> if nothing else, lets move on 19:25:21 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Countdown to release 19:25:34 <ShillaSaebi> 21 days 4 hours 34 minutes 19:25:39 <ShillaSaebi> times flying 19:25:40 <ShillaSaebi> as usual 19:25:41 <Sam-I-Am> yeah 19:25:53 <ShillaSaebi> We should have our release managers set 19:26:36 <ShillaSaebi> thanks to Olena and Alex 19:27:18 <ShillaSaebi> Release tasks are being tracked here 19:27:19 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NewtonRelease 19:28:19 <ShillaSaebi> any questions on that? 19:28:22 <Sam-I-Am> nope 19:28:48 <DevonBoatwright> Do you have to be technical to be a release manager? 19:28:53 <DevonBoatwright> Just out of curiousity 19:29:00 <Sam-I-Am> i dont think so 19:29:10 <Sam-I-Am> its more mechanical than anything 19:29:18 <ShillaSaebi> so my answer would be that you have to have your tools setup 19:29:23 <ShillaSaebi> and follow the steps 19:29:31 <ShillaSaebi> and then staying on top of the tasks 19:29:36 <ShillaSaebi> I don't think you have to be technical per se 19:29:49 <DevonBoatwright> OK. 19:29:53 <DevonBoatwright> Thanks 19:30:01 <ShillaSaebi> I think you can do it DevonBoatwright 19:30:05 <DevonBoatwright> lol 19:30:10 <ShillaSaebi> maybe for the next release you can shadow 19:30:11 <DevonBoatwright> I probably could! 19:30:18 <ShillaSaebi> or you can volunteer, we usually have 2 release managers 19:30:34 <DevonBoatwright> Yea, if you needed someone, I would need to shadow someone with a little experience 19:30:46 <ShillaSaebi> ok great to know, we will keep your name in the bucket for the next release 19:30:54 <DevonBoatwright> Sweet. Thanks! 19:31:13 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Barcelona 19:31:25 <ShillaSaebi> If there's something you want to make sure we discuss at the summit, please put your ideas here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Ocata-DocsSessions When we get our room allocations, I'll organise it into a schedule. 19:31:40 <ShillaSaebi> that's from Lana in the last e-mail 19:31:55 <ShillaSaebi> If you require a visa invitation letter to travel to Spain, then you need to fill out the form here: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/travel/#visa 19:32:06 <Sam-I-Am> i still need to look at that etherpad 19:32:10 <Sam-I-Am> but i will be in barcelona 19:32:12 <ShillaSaebi> ditto 19:32:47 <ShillaSaebi> #info PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 19:33:02 <ShillaSaebi> #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg 19:33:24 <Sam-I-Am> saw that too 19:33:49 <ShillaSaebi> cool 19:33:52 <ShillaSaebi> this is going to be interesting 19:35:00 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Open discussion 19:35:04 <ShillaSaebi> anything anyone wants to bring up 19:35:06 <Sam-I-Am> so, who's running for ptl? 19:35:11 <Sam-I-Am> i havent seen any submissions for docs 19:35:54 <ShillaSaebi> when is the submission date 19:36:25 <ShillaSaebi> should be september something 2016 right 19:36:26 <Sam-I-Am> ShillaSaebi: i think this sunday? 19:36:32 <Sam-I-Am> so, we have a couple more days 19:37:24 <ShillaSaebi> ok 19:37:46 <Sam-I-Am> not seeing a lot of love in that dept, but we also dont have that many contributors anymore 19:38:07 <ShillaSaebi> yeah 19:38:08 <ShillaSaebi> agreed 19:38:21 <Sam-I-Am> not sure what happens if we dont have a ptl 19:38:33 <ShillaSaebi> we need one i would think 19:38:43 <ShillaSaebi> lets talk to Lana and see if shes still running 19:38:45 <Sam-I-Am> does it dissolve? default to the most active contributor? 19:38:53 <ShillaSaebi> im not sure 19:40:10 <ShillaSaebi> i can shoot her an email 19:40:16 <ShillaSaebi> anything else? 19:40:23 <Sam-I-Am> nothing here 19:40:29 <ShillaSaebi> alright! 19:40:32 <ShillaSaebi> have a good one everyone 19:40:35 <Sam-I-Am> thanks! 19:40:40 <ShillaSaebi> thank you for joining :) 19:40:41 <ShillaSaebi> #endmeeting