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19:04:22 <ShillaSaebi> Hi Everyone! Roll call for the docs US meeting
19:04:27 <Sam-I-Am> hi
19:04:30 <DevonBoatwright> Oh! Hello!
19:04:56 <ShillaSaebi> hmm ok is it just the 3 of us today?
19:05:15 <Sam-I-Am> its pretty slim, as usual
19:05:21 <ShillaSaebi> yeah looks like it
19:05:30 <ShillaSaebi> okay lets get started then, probably be a quick one
19:05:32 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Action items from the last meeting
19:05:36 <ShillaSaebi> none that I know of
19:05:40 <Sam-I-Am> me neither
19:06:01 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Specs in review
19:06:04 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z
19:06:08 <ShillaSaebi> here are the specs
19:07:36 <Sam-I-Am> same stuff
19:07:42 <ShillaSaebi> yeah
19:07:53 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Speciality teams
19:07:57 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports
19:08:14 <ShillaSaebi> here are the updates
19:08:38 <Sam-I-Am> i'm still working on the networking guide deployment content rewriting
19:08:45 <Sam-I-Am> its long and painful, but needs to be done
19:08:57 <Sam-I-Am> on the install guide front, its interesting that i've seen zero patches for newton
19:09:04 <ShillaSaebi> wow
19:09:05 <Sam-I-Am> i'd consider that a problem at this point
19:09:12 <ShillaSaebi> sounds like it
19:09:20 <ShillaSaebi> have we added it to the etherpad for a topic to bring up in Barcelona
19:09:22 <ShillaSaebi> i think we hsould
19:09:25 <ShillaSaebi> should*
19:09:31 <Sam-I-Am> i havent seen or heard from lana in a few days
19:10:03 <Sam-I-Am> basically, if i dont work on it, it doesnt get done
19:10:09 <Sam-I-Am> its been that way for several cycles now
19:10:19 <ShillaSaebi> sounds like its a topic that needs to be brought up
19:10:40 <Sam-I-Am> possibly on the mailing list given that newton is released in what.. 2 weeks-ish?
19:10:56 <ShillaSaebi> 21 days
19:11:06 <Sam-I-Am> by now we usually have the majority of the changes done, at least to the core services
19:11:14 <ShillaSaebi> ok
19:11:19 <ShillaSaebi> so do you want to start that convo on the ML?
19:11:24 <lbragstad> o/ sorry i'm late
19:11:28 <ShillaSaebi> hi lbragstad
19:11:32 <ShillaSaebi> we are just going over the specialty teams
19:11:40 <Sam-I-Am> i'm no longer involved with the install guide, so... probably not.
19:11:41 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Speciality teams: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports
19:11:51 <lbragstad> ShillaSaebi awesome - thanks
19:12:01 <Sam-I-Am> frankly the projects in the guide should be updating the content for each release
19:12:03 <Sam-I-Am> that was the plan
19:12:15 <Sam-I-Am> and once again the core projects are avoiding it
19:12:29 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables
19:12:36 <ShillaSaebi> here are the Newton deliverables
19:12:40 <ShillaSaebi> let me check out install guide
19:14:19 <lbragstad> noob question - is install guide the same as installation tutorial?
19:14:29 <Sam-I-Am> lbragstad: i think the name changed for N but yeah
19:14:56 <Sam-I-Am> openstack-manuals/doc/install-guide
19:15:09 <lbragstad> Sam-I-Am from install guide to installation tutorial?
19:15:12 <Sam-I-Am> yeah
19:15:16 <Sam-I-Am> for one reason or another
19:15:19 <lbragstad> cool - thanks
19:15:22 <Sam-I-Am> its the same source though
19:15:33 <Sam-I-Am> and i'm sure keystone could use plenty of updates :)
19:16:44 <lbragstad> Sam-I-Am i take it these are the lastest keystone installation steps? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/doc/install-guide/source/keystone-install.rst
19:16:55 <Sam-I-Am> yeah
19:17:03 <Sam-I-Am> plus there's some keystone steps for each service
19:17:15 <lbragstad> Sam-I-Am sure - auth token config I bet
19:17:24 <Sam-I-Am> yeah, service creationm etc
19:17:26 <lbragstad> and service user creation
19:17:29 <lbragstad> yep - cool
19:17:42 <lbragstad> I have a few hours this afternoon, I can step through this with Newton
19:17:52 <Sam-I-Am> would be nice to get fully v3 too... i think we still have some hacks in there
19:18:01 <lbragstad> links?
19:18:04 <lbragstad> to the hacks?
19:18:11 <Sam-I-Am> the install guide should be 'the way service X should be configured, at a basic level'
19:18:40 <Sam-I-Am> lbragstad: things like using versions in the endpoints. maybe we can go with versionless now, etc.
19:18:54 <Sam-I-Am> lbragstad: basically, look over what we do and make it the Right Way
19:18:54 <lbragstad> ah
19:19:14 <Sam-I-Am> we also didnt implement the bootstrapper
19:19:30 <lbragstad> by implement you mean put in the install doc?
19:19:31 <Sam-I-Am> because it came really late in the M cycle and was not very well documented (probably still isnt)
19:19:36 <lbragstad> i see you're still referencing the admin token
19:19:37 <Sam-I-Am> yeah
19:19:39 <lbragstad> ok
19:19:43 <lbragstad> yeah - i just saw that
19:19:51 <Sam-I-Am> so yeah... there's... "stuff"
19:20:25 <lbragstad> Sam-I-Am want any of the gaps reported as bugs or do you just want pull requests?
19:20:40 <Sam-I-Am> at this point just PRs
19:20:44 <lbragstad> ok
19:20:51 <Sam-I-Am> use [install] blah blah in the commit msg
19:21:10 <Sam-I-Am> we usually avoid the bug overhead near a release
19:21:25 <Sam-I-Am> few weeks after release... bugs.
19:21:54 <Sam-I-Am> ShillaSaebi: i suppose we can move on
19:22:33 <ShillaSaebi> ok and as far as the operations guide, we have enterprise docs uploaded to google docs and looking over them
19:22:38 <ShillaSaebi> to see what content we want to push up
19:23:13 <Sam-I-Am> enterprise docs?
19:23:25 <ShillaSaebi> yeah stuff from Comcast
19:23:31 <ShillaSaebi> troubleshooting/ ops stuff
19:24:03 <Sam-I-Am> oh, thats good
19:24:13 <ShillaSaebi> yeah slowly but surely
19:24:25 <ShillaSaebi> anyone else want to talk about anything on specialty teams?
19:25:10 <ShillaSaebi> if nothing else, lets move on
19:25:21 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Countdown to release
19:25:34 <ShillaSaebi> 21 days 4 hours 34 minutes
19:25:39 <ShillaSaebi> times flying
19:25:40 <ShillaSaebi> as usual
19:25:41 <Sam-I-Am> yeah
19:25:53 <ShillaSaebi> We should have our release managers set
19:26:36 <ShillaSaebi> thanks to Olena and Alex
19:27:18 <ShillaSaebi> Release tasks are being tracked here
19:27:19 <ShillaSaebi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NewtonRelease
19:28:19 <ShillaSaebi> any questions on that?
19:28:22 <Sam-I-Am> nope
19:28:48 <DevonBoatwright> Do you have to be technical to be a release manager?
19:28:53 <DevonBoatwright> Just out of curiousity
19:29:00 <Sam-I-Am> i dont think so
19:29:10 <Sam-I-Am> its more mechanical than anything
19:29:18 <ShillaSaebi> so my answer would be that you have to have your tools setup
19:29:23 <ShillaSaebi> and follow the steps
19:29:31 <ShillaSaebi> and then staying on top of the tasks
19:29:36 <ShillaSaebi> I don't think you have to be technical per se
19:29:49 <DevonBoatwright> OK.
19:29:53 <DevonBoatwright> Thanks
19:30:01 <ShillaSaebi> I think you can do it DevonBoatwright
19:30:05 <DevonBoatwright> lol
19:30:10 <ShillaSaebi> maybe for the next release you can shadow
19:30:11 <DevonBoatwright> I probably could!
19:30:18 <ShillaSaebi> or you can volunteer, we usually have 2 release managers
19:30:34 <DevonBoatwright> Yea, if you needed someone, I would need to shadow someone with a little experience
19:30:46 <ShillaSaebi> ok great to know, we will keep your name in the bucket for the next release
19:30:54 <DevonBoatwright> Sweet. Thanks!
19:31:13 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Barcelona
19:31:25 <ShillaSaebi> If there's something you want to make sure we discuss at the summit, please put your ideas here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Ocata-DocsSessions When we get our room allocations, I'll organise it into a schedule.
19:31:40 <ShillaSaebi> that's from Lana in the last e-mail
19:31:55 <ShillaSaebi> If you require a visa invitation letter to travel to Spain, then you need to fill out the form here: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/travel/#visa
19:32:06 <Sam-I-Am> i still need to look at that etherpad
19:32:10 <Sam-I-Am> but i will be in barcelona
19:32:12 <ShillaSaebi> ditto
19:32:47 <ShillaSaebi> #info PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017
19:33:02 <ShillaSaebi> #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg
19:33:24 <Sam-I-Am> saw that too
19:33:49 <ShillaSaebi> cool
19:33:52 <ShillaSaebi> this is going to be interesting
19:35:00 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Open discussion
19:35:04 <ShillaSaebi> anything anyone wants to bring up
19:35:06 <Sam-I-Am> so, who's running for ptl?
19:35:11 <Sam-I-Am> i havent seen any submissions for docs
19:35:54 <ShillaSaebi> when is the submission date
19:36:25 <ShillaSaebi> should be september something 2016 right
19:36:26 <Sam-I-Am> ShillaSaebi: i think this sunday?
19:36:32 <Sam-I-Am> so, we have a couple more days
19:37:24 <ShillaSaebi> ok
19:37:46 <Sam-I-Am> not seeing a lot of love in that dept, but we also dont have that many contributors anymore
19:38:07 <ShillaSaebi> yeah
19:38:08 <ShillaSaebi> agreed
19:38:21 <Sam-I-Am> not sure what happens if we dont have a ptl
19:38:33 <ShillaSaebi> we need one i would think
19:38:43 <ShillaSaebi> lets talk to Lana and see if shes still running
19:38:45 <Sam-I-Am> does it dissolve? default to the most active contributor?
19:38:53 <ShillaSaebi> im not sure
19:40:10 <ShillaSaebi> i can shoot her an email
19:40:16 <ShillaSaebi> anything else?
19:40:23 <Sam-I-Am> nothing here
19:40:29 <ShillaSaebi> alright!
19:40:32 <ShillaSaebi> have a good one everyone
19:40:35 <Sam-I-Am> thanks!
19:40:40 <ShillaSaebi> thank you for joining :)
19:40:41 <ShillaSaebi> #endmeeting