19:04:14 #startmeeting docteam 19:04:15 Meeting started Wed Sep 14 19:04:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:04:19 The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' 19:04:22 Hi Everyone! Roll call for the docs US meeting 19:04:27 hi 19:04:30 Oh! Hello! 19:04:56 hmm ok is it just the 3 of us today? 19:05:15 its pretty slim, as usual 19:05:21 yeah looks like it 19:05:30 okay lets get started then, probably be a quick one 19:05:32 #topic Action items from the last meeting 19:05:36 none that I know of 19:05:40 me neither 19:06:01 #topic Specs in review 19:06:04 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z 19:06:08 here are the specs 19:07:36 same stuff 19:07:42 yeah 19:07:53 #topic Speciality teams 19:07:57 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports 19:08:14 here are the updates 19:08:38 i'm still working on the networking guide deployment content rewriting 19:08:45 its long and painful, but needs to be done 19:08:57 on the install guide front, its interesting that i've seen zero patches for newton 19:09:04 wow 19:09:05 i'd consider that a problem at this point 19:09:12 sounds like it 19:09:20 have we added it to the etherpad for a topic to bring up in Barcelona 19:09:22 i think we hsould 19:09:25 should* 19:09:31 i havent seen or heard from lana in a few days 19:10:03 basically, if i dont work on it, it doesnt get done 19:10:09 its been that way for several cycles now 19:10:19 sounds like its a topic that needs to be brought up 19:10:40 possibly on the mailing list given that newton is released in what.. 2 weeks-ish? 19:10:56 21 days 19:11:06 by now we usually have the majority of the changes done, at least to the core services 19:11:14 ok 19:11:19 so do you want to start that convo on the ML? 19:11:24 o/ sorry i'm late 19:11:28 hi lbragstad 19:11:32 we are just going over the specialty teams 19:11:40 i'm no longer involved with the install guide, so... probably not. 19:11:41 #topic Speciality teams: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports 19:11:51 ShillaSaebi awesome - thanks 19:12:01 frankly the projects in the guide should be updating the content for each release 19:12:03 that was the plan 19:12:15 and once again the core projects are avoiding it 19:12:29 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables 19:12:36 here are the Newton deliverables 19:12:40 let me check out install guide 19:14:19 noob question - is install guide the same as installation tutorial? 19:14:29 lbragstad: i think the name changed for N but yeah 19:14:56 openstack-manuals/doc/install-guide 19:15:09 Sam-I-Am from install guide to installation tutorial? 19:15:12 yeah 19:15:16 for one reason or another 19:15:19 cool - thanks 19:15:22 its the same source though 19:15:33 and i'm sure keystone could use plenty of updates :) 19:16:44 Sam-I-Am i take it these are the lastest keystone installation steps? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/doc/install-guide/source/keystone-install.rst 19:16:55 yeah 19:17:03 plus there's some keystone steps for each service 19:17:15 Sam-I-Am sure - auth token config I bet 19:17:24 yeah, service creationm etc 19:17:26 and service user creation 19:17:29 yep - cool 19:17:42 I have a few hours this afternoon, I can step through this with Newton 19:17:52 would be nice to get fully v3 too... i think we still have some hacks in there 19:18:01 links? 19:18:04 to the hacks? 19:18:11 the install guide should be 'the way service X should be configured, at a basic level' 19:18:40 lbragstad: things like using versions in the endpoints. maybe we can go with versionless now, etc. 19:18:54 lbragstad: basically, look over what we do and make it the Right Way 19:18:54 ah 19:19:14 we also didnt implement the bootstrapper 19:19:30 by implement you mean put in the install doc? 19:19:31 because it came really late in the M cycle and was not very well documented (probably still isnt) 19:19:36 i see you're still referencing the admin token 19:19:37 yeah 19:19:39 ok 19:19:43 yeah - i just saw that 19:19:51 so yeah... there's... "stuff" 19:20:25 Sam-I-Am want any of the gaps reported as bugs or do you just want pull requests? 19:20:40 at this point just PRs 19:20:44 ok 19:20:51 use [install] blah blah in the commit msg 19:21:10 we usually avoid the bug overhead near a release 19:21:25 few weeks after release... bugs. 19:21:54 ShillaSaebi: i suppose we can move on 19:22:33 ok and as far as the operations guide, we have enterprise docs uploaded to google docs and looking over them 19:22:38 to see what content we want to push up 19:23:13 enterprise docs? 19:23:25 yeah stuff from Comcast 19:23:31 troubleshooting/ ops stuff 19:24:03 oh, thats good 19:24:13 yeah slowly but surely 19:24:25 anyone else want to talk about anything on specialty teams? 19:25:10 if nothing else, lets move on 19:25:21 #topic Countdown to release 19:25:34 21 days 4 hours 34 minutes 19:25:39 times flying 19:25:40 as usual 19:25:41 yeah 19:25:53 We should have our release managers set 19:26:36 thanks to Olena and Alex 19:27:18 Release tasks are being tracked here 19:27:19 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NewtonRelease 19:28:19 any questions on that? 19:28:22 nope 19:28:48 Do you have to be technical to be a release manager? 19:28:53 Just out of curiousity 19:29:00 i dont think so 19:29:10 its more mechanical than anything 19:29:18 so my answer would be that you have to have your tools setup 19:29:23 and follow the steps 19:29:31 and then staying on top of the tasks 19:29:36 I don't think you have to be technical per se 19:29:49 OK. 19:29:53 Thanks 19:30:01 I think you can do it DevonBoatwright 19:30:05 lol 19:30:10 maybe for the next release you can shadow 19:30:11 I probably could! 19:30:18 or you can volunteer, we usually have 2 release managers 19:30:34 Yea, if you needed someone, I would need to shadow someone with a little experience 19:30:46 ok great to know, we will keep your name in the bucket for the next release 19:30:54 Sweet. Thanks! 19:31:13 #topic Barcelona 19:31:25 If there's something you want to make sure we discuss at the summit, please put your ideas here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Ocata-DocsSessions When we get our room allocations, I'll organise it into a schedule. 19:31:40 that's from Lana in the last e-mail 19:31:55 If you require a visa invitation letter to travel to Spain, then you need to fill out the form here: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/travel/#visa 19:32:06 i still need to look at that etherpad 19:32:10 but i will be in barcelona 19:32:12 ditto 19:32:47 #info PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 19:33:02 #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg 19:33:24 saw that too 19:33:49 cool 19:33:52 this is going to be interesting 19:35:00 #topic Open discussion 19:35:04 anything anyone wants to bring up 19:35:06 so, who's running for ptl? 19:35:11 i havent seen any submissions for docs 19:35:54 when is the submission date 19:36:25 should be september something 2016 right 19:36:26 ShillaSaebi: i think this sunday? 19:36:32 so, we have a couple more days 19:37:24 ok 19:37:46 not seeing a lot of love in that dept, but we also dont have that many contributors anymore 19:38:07 yeah 19:38:08 agreed 19:38:21 not sure what happens if we dont have a ptl 19:38:33 we need one i would think 19:38:43 lets talk to Lana and see if shes still running 19:38:45 does it dissolve? default to the most active contributor? 19:38:53 im not sure 19:40:10 i can shoot her an email 19:40:16 anything else? 19:40:23 nothing here 19:40:29 alright! 19:40:32 have a good one everyone 19:40:35 thanks! 19:40:40 thank you for joining :) 19:40:41 #endmeeting