21:00:04 <loquacities> #startmeeting docteam 21:00:05 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Nov 17 21:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:06 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:00:08 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' 21:00:19 <loquacities> who do we have here? 21:00:25 <cathrichardson> o/ 21:00:31 <iphutch> Good Morning 21:00:32 <loquacities> heya cathrichardson :) 21:00:35 <loquacities> hi iphutch 21:00:35 <rluethi> hi there 21:00:35 <alex_bash> o/ 21:00:41 <loquacities> ooh, everyone is here! 21:00:46 <loquacities> hi rluethi and alex_bash 21:00:48 <lutz_> Hi Lana this is Lutz 21:00:54 <loquacities> hi lutz_ 21:00:55 <bmoss> hey hey 21:00:59 <loquacities> hi bmoss 21:01:29 <loquacities> for the record ... 21:01:35 <loquacities> agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting 21:01:45 <loquacities> #topic Action items from the last meeting 21:01:59 <loquacities> since this is our first ocata meeting, i think we can safely assume there are none ;) 21:02:01 <loquacities> so moving on ... 21:02:07 <loquacities> #topic Specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z 21:02:24 <loquacities> we have five here 21:02:37 <loquacities> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391548/ 21:02:37 <loquacities> training-labs: Rewrite training-labs in python 21:03:01 <loquacities> doesn't look like pranav is here, does anyone else have on opinion on this? 21:03:14 <loquacities> rluethi ^^ ? 21:03:28 <rluethi> sorry. is that the python port review? 21:03:33 <loquacities> yep 21:03:38 <JRobinson__> "Moving to a modern programming language addresses 21:03:38 <JRobinson__> many inherent limitations of Bash for the given use-cases" 21:03:57 <JRobinson__> that's a good argument. 21:04:22 <loquacities> ok, let's move on 21:04:29 <rluethi> Pranav and I have some things to clarify there. It will hopefully happen before the end of the weekend. 21:04:37 <loquacities> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391786/ Proposed use case form 21:04:42 <loquacities> rluethi: ok, cool 21:05:09 <loquacities> so this one was discussed at summit 21:05:18 <loquacities> any ops people around can comment? 21:05:41 <loquacities> it's about using a web form to collect use case info from ops 21:05:50 <loquacities> just a way of collecting source data for the ops guide, basically 21:05:58 <darrenc> Shaun is going to post his thoughts on the docs ML 21:06:01 <loquacities> and reducing the amount of overhead for ops to get that to us 21:06:07 <loquacities> darrenc: ok, easy, thanks :) 21:06:12 <loquacities> next up 21:06:23 <loquacities> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392372/ [arch-design] Revise the Architecture Design Guide 21:06:34 <lutz_> +1 anything that makes it easier for ops to report issues in certain use cases should be worthwhile 21:06:48 <loquacities> lutz_: i agree! 21:07:11 <loquacities> darrenc: maybe you can talk to the arch guide spec? 21:07:28 <darrenc> yep, so this is basically the same spec last cycle 21:07:55 <darrenc> The only change is refining the use cases chapter 21:08:02 <loquacities> right 21:08:08 <loquacities> looks like it's about ready to be approved? 21:08:09 <darrenc> so I think we can push this one through 21:08:11 <darrenc> yep 21:08:22 <loquacities> ok, i'll put my +2 on, then we just need shilla to merge it 21:08:30 <darrenc> thanks :) 21:08:53 <loquacities> done 21:08:59 <loquacities> next up 21:09:06 <loquacities> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394261/ [ops-guide] Add project upgrade notes 21:09:13 <loquacities> darrenc: i believe that's you again :P 21:09:20 <darrenc> yep :) 21:09:42 <darrenc> so the proposal is to migrate project upgrade notes to the Ops Guide 21:10:09 <darrenc> but I think there is some resistance from projects 21:10:24 <loquacities> yeah, seems that way 21:10:27 <loquacities> what do you need? 21:10:54 <darrenc> well, just finding a happy medium for ops and projects 21:11:00 <loquacities> right, ok 21:11:06 <loquacities> maybe bring it up on the ops ML? 21:11:10 <loquacities> cc the docs ML? 21:11:20 <darrenc> I think linking to the upgrade content might suffice 21:11:29 <darrenc> yep, I'll do that 21:11:32 <loquacities> ok 21:11:33 <loquacities> cool 21:11:45 <loquacities> and lucky last: 21:11:58 <loquacities> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390324/ Changed the home-page link for docs-specs 21:12:32 <loquacities> oh, that's not a spec 21:12:34 <loquacities> my bad 21:12:47 <JRobinson__> Looks like devising a cookie cutter standard similar to the install guide for ops upgrade content - on a smaller scale - might help address Michael D's concern. Maybe. Ml discussion will bring some attention. 21:13:05 <loquacities> JRobinson__: agreed 21:13:05 <JRobinson__> sorry, Michal D. 21:13:10 <loquacities> ok, let's move on 21:13:17 <loquacities> #topic Speciality teams reports: 21:13:28 <loquacities> #info API: Anne Gentle 21:13:36 <loquacities> anne can't be here, so let me copypaste 21:13:44 <loquacities> Karen Bradshaw has been working on updates to the openstackdocstheme that would fix this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583623. The review is up at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393890/ and getting input from the affected teams who have recognized the need because of errors building when you have multiple API versions with very similar calls, so you end up with identical headings. 21:13:44 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1583623 in openstack-doc-tools "os-api-ref: duplicate labels for selectors" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Karen Bradshaw (kbhawkey) 21:13:44 <loquacities> I've had a couple of inquiries on IRC about "where did the draft/swagger files go?" but to meet their stated end goals, those particular files wouldn't have worked any way due to inaccuracies in the content and incomplete content. 21:13:44 <loquacities> See the 100 api-ref doc patches up for review at: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+file:api-ref. 21:14:40 <loquacities> no questions on that? 21:14:49 <loquacities> #info Configuration Reference and CLI Reference: Tomoyuki Kato 21:15:12 <loquacities> i think katomo isn't here, but i don't have an update from him 21:15:23 <loquacities> any questions/issues on config & cli ref? 21:15:43 <JRobinson__> No questions at the moment. 21:15:59 <loquacities> #info High Availability Guide: Andrew Beekhof 21:16:09 <loquacities> i don't have an update from andrew, either 21:16:13 <loquacities> are you here, andrew? 21:16:33 <loquacities> i'll take that as a no :P 21:16:42 <loquacities> #info Installation guides: Lana Brindley 21:16:48 <loquacities> that be me 21:17:02 <loquacities> so, no major updates to the guides themselves, but we are planning updates to the landing page 21:17:17 <loquacities> we're also working on getting our first deployment guide landed there 21:17:22 <loquacities> with openstack ansible 21:17:57 <loquacities> i've requested design resources from foundation, but haven't heard back yet 21:18:10 <loquacities> so if you have ideas/suggestions (or design skillz!) then please let me know :) 21:18:16 <loquacities> questions on the install guide? 21:18:44 <loquacities> #info Networking Guide: John Davidge 21:18:45 <JRobinson__> No questions, signal boosting the designer skills item though 21:18:51 <loquacities> thanks JRobinson__ 21:18:59 <loquacities> ok, john isn't here, i have his report: 21:19:21 <loquacities> As for my update - not much to report. A couple of new articles are close to merging: 21:19:21 <loquacities> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361776/ - VLAN Trunking 21:19:21 <loquacities> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356013/ - Routed Provider Networks 21:19:21 <loquacities> Need to decide how best to track the work that�s going on for: 21:19:21 <loquacities> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/use-openstack-comm 21:19:22 <loquacities> Probably a google spreadsheet or ether pad with a list of all the network guide pages to be converted, and the person working on it would be best. That way we can hopefully avoid duplicating efforts. 21:20:11 <loquacities> ok, questions on networking? 21:20:31 <bmoss> loquacities, that blueprint link doesn't seem to work for me 21:20:32 <loquacities> #info Operations and Architecture Design guides: Shilla Saebi 21:20:52 <loquacities> bmoss: ah, one sec 21:21:01 <bmoss> oh, I see. Should be 'command' at the end 21:21:04 <loquacities> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/use-openstack-command 21:21:10 <loquacities> yep, copypasta on my behalf, sorry 21:21:20 <loquacities> my email client broke it 21:21:33 <bmoss> no worries. Got it now. :) 21:21:36 <loquacities> yay! 21:21:43 <loquacities> darrenc: are you acting as shilla's proxy today? 21:21:51 <loquacities> can you give us an ops/arch update? 21:21:55 <darrenc> I guess so :) 21:21:59 <loquacities> :P 21:22:25 <darrenc> We're slowly making progress with the arch guide 21:22:34 <darrenc> and have cloudnull onboard to help 21:22:40 <loquacities> oh, great! 21:23:21 <darrenc> So the focus is completing the design chapter and migrating stuff from the ops guide 21:23:54 <darrenc> that's all :) 21:24:00 <loquacities> cool, thanks darrenc :) 21:24:06 <loquacities> any questions on ops/arch? 21:24:28 <loquacities> #info Security Guide: Nathaniel Dillon 21:24:43 <loquacities> doesn't look as though nathaniel is here 21:24:58 <loquacities> #info Training Guides: Matjaz Pancur 21:25:14 <loquacities> from matjaz: 21:25:16 <loquacities> - we changed our IRC meeting to every two weeks (on even weeks) on Tuesday at 1300 UTC in #openstack-meeting-3 - there will be an article published about BCN Upstream training in OpenStack�s Superuser magazine - BCN Upstream training retrospective https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-training-barcelona-retrospective 21:25:29 <loquacities> questions on training guides? 21:25:43 <loquacities> #info Training labs: Pranav Salunke, Roger Luethi 21:25:53 <loquacities> rluethi: do you have an update? 21:26:06 <rluethi> we have the python port already under review. 21:26:27 <rluethi> yes, the spec is not done yet, either. 21:26:34 <loquacities> heh, always the way :P 21:26:56 <rluethi> We hope to get them merged soonish and in the right order :) 21:27:07 <loquacities> awesome 21:27:10 <loquacities> thanks :) 21:27:15 <loquacities> and, last but not least: 21:27:21 <loquacities> #info User guides: Joseph Robinson 21:27:25 <loquacities> JRobinson__: what do you have for us? 21:27:28 <JRobinson__> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides#Ocata_Tasks 21:27:41 <JRobinson__> This the current work on converting the legacy commands to OS commands 21:27:50 <loquacities> looks like it's well underway 21:27:57 <loquacities> i know i've seen a lot patches 21:28:18 <JRobinson__> Thanks to csatari and visnyei and allen, there's progress happening. 21:28:26 <loquacities> great :) 21:28:39 <JRobinson__> I need to finish adding the files affected to the checklist, and then also start making changes. 21:28:40 <darrenc> Is there a tracking page? 21:29:04 <JRobinson__> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides#Legacy_to_OpenStack_command_conversion_table 21:29:07 <darrenc> ignore me 21:29:10 <JRobinson__> link to the specific table^ 21:29:26 <JRobinson__> I had thought that it might have a bit too many details, but it seems to be clear so far. 21:29:58 <darrenc> Perhaps mention it on the mailing list? 21:30:02 <JRobinson__> Apart from this tasks, keeping track of any admin or user guide bugs is also a task. 21:30:05 <loquacities> yeah, that's a good ideea 21:30:14 <JRobinson__> Good idea, definitely. 21:30:14 <darrenc> Because I've seen a few duplicate patches 21:30:41 <JRobinson__> #action Send out another User Guides update email, with current conversion task list. 21:30:51 <loquacities> you need a person on the action 21:31:08 <loquacities> #action JRobinson__ Send out another User Guides update email, with current conversion task list. 21:31:14 <JRobinson__> Should be my nic there, thanks :) 21:31:19 <loquacities> np :) 21:31:28 <loquacities> ok, are we all done with speciality teams? 21:31:47 <loquacities> let's move on 21:31:51 <loquacities> #topic Countdown to release: 21:31:59 <loquacities> #info 96 days to go! 21:32:23 <loquacities> that's scary, because US thanksgiving is next week, followed by christmas, new year, etc 21:32:28 <loquacities> release day is 22 feb 21:32:43 <loquacities> our deliverables list is correspondingly short, though 21:32:49 <loquacities> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OcataDeliverables 21:33:12 <loquacities> does anyone have questions on release things or deliverables? 21:33:19 <ianychoi> Hi yep including generating PDFs 21:33:32 <loquacities> yep! 21:34:08 <ianychoi> For generating PDFs, I will update a spec: changing from rst2pdf to latex 21:34:10 <lutz_> at least for the install tutorial its already in the list 21:34:10 <ianychoi> #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/ocata/build-pdf-from-rst-guides.html 21:34:17 <ianychoi> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396943/ 21:34:23 <lutz_> +1 for LaTeX from me! 21:34:35 <loquacities> <3 LaTeX :) 21:34:39 <ianychoi> since rst2pdf is not working well unfortunately 21:34:44 <loquacities> ah, ok 21:34:50 <loquacities> cool, i'm glad there's progress on this 21:35:09 <ianychoi> Thanks :) 21:35:11 <loquacities> really, generating PDFs is for all books, not just install, but that's ok 21:35:15 <loquacities> we need to start somewhere 21:35:20 <lutz_> if there are any problems with latex just shoot me an email or so 21:35:36 <loquacities> ok, let's move on 21:35:38 <lutz_> having done quit e abit with latex in the past 21:35:41 <ianychoi> lutz_, wow good thanks! 21:35:49 <loquacities> #topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 21:35:57 <loquacities> #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg Event info 21:36:02 <loquacities> #link https://pikeptg.eventbrite.com/ Tickets 21:36:09 <loquacities> #info Docs is on Monday/Tuesday 21:36:13 <loquacities> so, who's going? 21:36:25 <loquacities> or, who thinks they might go? ;) 21:36:49 <ianychoi> I will go there (as I18n) 21:36:51 <JRobinson__> Yes if possible. 21:36:55 <ianychoi> + Docs :) 21:36:55 <loquacities> awesome :) 21:37:01 <loquacities> :) 21:37:07 <skelso> Yes if approved. Request is in. 21:37:11 <bmoss> I'm hoping I'll be there. 21:37:24 <loquacities> cool! 21:37:44 <loquacities> ok, that's brings us around to ... 21:37:48 <loquacities> #topic Open discussion 21:38:02 <loquacities> anything else? 21:39:10 <loquacities> ok, i think that this was a successful first meeting under the new arrangement! 21:39:18 <loquacities> thanks everyone for coming and participating :) 21:39:29 <loquacities> i'll put out a newsletter this afternoon, with all these updates in it 21:39:48 <JRobinson__> Thanks loquacities :) 21:39:48 <ianychoi> I have just woke up it is now 6:40 am here but fine to me :) 21:39:54 <darrenc> thanks loquacities 21:39:56 <bmoss> thanks everyone 21:39:56 <ianychoi> Thanks loquacities ! 21:40:01 <ianychoi> and everyone 21:40:07 <lutz_> thanks all 21:40:07 <iphutch> Thanks all 21:40:09 <loquacities> thanks for getting up early ianychoi (and everyone else who did!) 21:40:22 <loquacities> #endmeeting