21:00:18 #startmeeting docteam 21:00:19 Meeting started Thu Dec 1 21:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:00:23 The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' 21:00:30 rollcall! 21:00:34 :) 21:00:37 go for it ;) 21:00:42 Good morning o/ 21:00:47 Hello! 21:00:47 hi JRobinson__ 21:00:48 o/ 21:00:50 Hello!! 21:00:50 o/ 21:00:51 o/ 21:00:56 o/ 21:01:02 Good morning/evening all. 21:01:15 wow, nice turnout today :) 21:01:52 #topic Action items from the last meeting 21:02:07 the only one was this one, for JRobinson__ 21:02:09 Send out another User Guides update email, with current 21:02:09 conversion task list. 21:02:15 i believe you did that, yeah? 21:02:35 Yes, I sent out a summary of User Guide legacy commands changes in the past two weeks. 21:02:40 sweet 21:02:45 I've had some decent responses 21:02:50 #topic Specs in review 21:03:04 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z 21:03:08 Thanks to contributors working on the legacy command conversions and keeping the table up to date :) 21:03:26 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403674/ 21:03:26 Update content to using Latex from rst2pdf 21:03:39 so this one is about the PDF generation 21:03:54 Yep initially I wanted to use rst2pdf, but now I would like to change to use latex 21:04:13 the LaTeX seems to work better 21:04:25 * AJaeger just gave +2 21:04:29 Shall I +A? 21:04:31 ah, cool! 21:04:37 yes, i think we can +A 21:04:54 Thanks! 21:05:03 great :) 21:05:05 on my way... 21:05:12 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391786/ Proposed use case form 21:05:28 this is about creating a form for ops to provide feedback 21:06:01 darrenc: can you speak to this one, in shaun's absence? 21:06:31 I really think that this is overkill - and we should try other means first. 21:06:58 can you suggest what other means? 21:07:00 i thought we were going to do a google form 21:07:39 darrenc: anything that is lowtech to set up and see what kind of feedback we get. 21:07:40 and there's no primary assignee, which bothers me 21:07:51 +1 to what AJaeger said 21:07:55 Did anybody evaluate storyboard? 21:08:10 We could also use a github uxchecklist similar to this one: 21:08:14 #link https://github.com/uxchecklist/uxchecklist.github.io/blob/master/index.html 21:08:32 Let's collect feedback coming in in free form first and see what we get - and then decide how to structure it. 21:08:47 But setting up a web server first thing without knowing what we need is IMHO overkill. 21:08:48 AJaeger: is he suggesting to use storyboard? 21:09:14 * AJaeger is suggesting to check storyboard.openstack.org - the upcoming tracker 21:09:21 oh, right 21:09:32 i haven't investigated that yet, but been following the conversation 21:09:51 * AJaeger would also be fine with just a launchpad bug report - or a simple email at first 21:10:13 ok, i think we need to convince shaun to just roll with a basic means of collecting the data before we do this 21:10:16 shall i -2? 21:10:19 But it's not clear about what amount and kind we talk about. 21:10:36 I'm happy with a -2 - was considering adding one myself... 21:10:44 ok, one sec 21:11:35 done 21:11:39 ok, let's move on to speciality teams 21:11:46 #topic Speciality teams reports: 21:11:55 API: Anne Gentle 21:12:06 i have anne's here 21:12:15 The App Dev Support WG is working on a survey to determine which content areas to invest in for content on http://www.openstack.org/appdev. 21:12:23 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-November/001469.html 21:12:46 Configuration Reference and CLI Reference: Tomoyuki Kato 21:12:52 i also have kato's report 21:12:58 CLI Reference: We try to recreating the single page view for the "openstack" command. I'd like to generate the reference from source code automatically. However, python-openstackclient has many plug-ins. It is difficulty, but worth to tackle it. We need your help! 21:13:20 any questions or feedback so far? 21:13:47 ok, moving on 21:13:52 High Availability Guide: Andrew Beekhof 21:14:08 i don't have a report from andrew, but i know that asettle has been doing a lot of work on this guide recently 21:14:19 cleaning up, and raising bugs for some of the TODO items 21:14:30 asettle is going over the HA Guide, has one large patch out and raised bugs! 21:14:41 might be a good opportunity for someone to jump in :) 21:15:02 overall, I'm wondering whether we really should admit that HA guide is so special that it does not fly and give up ;( 21:15:03 Hypervisor Tuning Guide: Joe Topjian 21:15:13 AJaeger: i've been thinking that for some time 21:15:22 but i guess this is a good way to find out 21:15:34 i don't have a report for the hypervisor guide, any update on that book? 21:15:49 ok 21:15:54 Installation guides: Lana Brindley 21:16:06 so i finally heard back from foundation on design resources yesterday 21:16:26 i'm going to reply to that email today and hopefully start drafting the new design next week 21:16:34 great! 21:16:37 anyone who wants to be involved with that, please contact me 21:16:51 i've also got piet from the UX team on board to help 21:17:02 Networking Guide: John Davidge 21:17:10 does anyone have an update on networking? 21:17:33 ok 21:17:40 Operations and Architecture Design guides: Shilla Saebi 21:17:47 darrenc: can you speak to this? 21:17:50 sure 21:17:57 For the arch guide, patches for networking and compute content were merged 21:18:12 thanks to Ben and Shaun 21:18:30 yay! 21:18:36 For the Ops Guide, there is patch up to update the upgrades chapter and include the project upgrade notes 21:18:46 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404528/ 21:19:20 actually link to the notes 21:19:36 that's it from me 21:19:43 cool, thanks darrenc 21:19:47 any questions on ops stuff? 21:19:51 bsilverman: anything to add? 21:20:20 ok, let's move on 21:20:23 Security Guide: Nathaniel Dillon 21:20:32 darrenc: Nope thanks. 21:20:35 i don't think i saw nathaniel, does anyone have a comment on the security guide? 21:21:02 ok 21:21:08 Training Guides: Matjaz Pancur 21:21:12 i have matjaz's report 21:21:19 BCN Upstream training article in the Superuser magazine: http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-upstream-training-revamp/ - actively looking for contributors to join the Upstream training, please see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-November/009382.html - cleaned test entries in the Launchpad bug queue and the Sandbox repository (left from the Barcelona Upstream training) - updated Training guides� R 21:21:19 EADME.rst 21:21:41 Training labs: Pranav Salunke, Roger Luethi 21:21:54 pranav or roger here? 21:22:13 doesn't look like it 21:22:17 ok, last but not least: 21:22:19 User guides: Joseph Robinson 21:22:22 JRobinson__: go! 21:22:42 The legacy command conversion continues at a good pace. I have some more updates to patch today. 21:23:02 The only obstacle I have run into is generating new output to match the OpenStack command client. 21:23:24 Otherwise, contributors have been adding to the table, and there's been steady patching completed. 21:23:30 nice 21:23:32 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides 21:23:44 JRobinson__: I can help with the outputs if you like 21:23:46 ^just a reminder to update the table if making a change. 21:23:57 darrenc, that would be awesome :) 21:24:02 looks like you're making good progress 21:24:14 cool, just let me know what you need 21:24:22 ok, that's it for speciality teams 21:24:27 :) 21:24:34 #topic Countdown to release: 21:24:48 #info 82 days to go! 21:24:54 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OcataDeliverables 21:25:09 #info Ocata release managers: Mariia & Brian 21:25:15 any questions on release? 21:25:41 #topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 21:25:48 #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg Event info 21:25:52 #link https://pikeptg.eventbrite.com/ Tickets 21:26:01 if you haven't bought your tickets yet, you should probably get on that 21:26:13 #info Docs is on Monday/Tuesday 21:26:21 For PTG, who will be the main contact person in Docs team? :) 21:26:32 the incoming Pike PTL ;) 21:26:43 which is a lovely segue ... 21:26:50 ianychoi: so step up, get elected and you'll be it ;) 21:26:50 Yey~ 21:26:52 #topic Pike PTL 21:27:03 #info So far, Alex and Kato have expressed interest. 21:27:23 i will be working with them over the next few months to make sure they understand what the role involves 21:27:37 and there's still time for people to put their hand up 21:27:45 thanks, loquacities ! And glad to see those two considering it! 21:27:46 Actually, i18n team did not request rooms for PTG, because it seems that only me will go for PTG. So I would like to ask: whether i18n team will join with Docs team in PTG or not 21:27:46 if you don't want to put your hand up in public, that's ok, too 21:27:58 ianychoi: i'm sure that's possible 21:28:30 i'm not sure how the planning will go for this just yet, but i imagine there can be an i18n session 21:28:38 in the docs track 21:28:44 loquacities, nice! Then can I discuss it with Foundation? 21:28:51 sure 21:29:09 Thanks a lot. I will initiate such conversation :) 21:29:15 i will be available to assist the incoming PTL with this, but i won't be attending the PTG itself 21:29:21 just FYI 21:29:29 ok, and one last item ... 21:29:37 #topic Docs logo 21:30:05 #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx6I9fOZiP0HR3NOMnlIOW5CY1k/view?usp=sharing 21:30:15 i've also sent an email to the docs list with the imagee attached 21:30:21 image* 21:30:22 Is that Docs Fox? 21:30:27 yup 21:30:43 Will it be colored? 21:30:45 #info Foundation is seeking feedback on the logo 21:30:49 #link http://www.tinyurl.com/OSmascot 21:30:58 Other team's logos are also drafts. Feedback would be so important I think 21:31:02 iphutch: yep, this is the b&w version 21:31:11 it looks a bit odd to me at the moment. Hopefully color will help. 21:31:13 Which color would be the best? :) 21:31:22 i thought the tail was a bit odd, personally 21:31:32 ianychoi: red! :) 21:31:41 looks like it has a goiter in its neck 21:31:49 lol 21:31:51 Their neck ruff could use a little line work, yes. 21:31:52 yeah, that too ;) 21:32:06 yeah, the neck is weird 21:32:06 :) 21:32:18 Red fox will look nice! 21:32:23 well, put all that in the form :) 21:32:25 What does the fox say? 21:32:29 lol 21:32:35 oddly, for docs, nothing at all :P 21:32:44 Sorry, reference to 2013 meme 21:32:49 but it says it with appropriate Oxford commas 21:32:54 LOL 21:33:03 #topic Open discussion 21:33:07 anything else? 21:33:10 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-translation-status-documentation 21:33:27 This is i18n team's documentation translation progress. 21:33:35 I have checked about 10 days ago 21:34:00 go KO! 21:34:36 I have one small admin guide patch that's been hanging about. 21:34:37 loquacities, :) 21:34:53 I have to wonder about the HA guide. 21:35:04 JRobinson__: link? 21:35:10 Is it covered in other sections, or could it be. 21:35:15 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390726/ 21:35:25 This one is on inbound traffic speed conversion 21:35:38 AJaeger might be able to confirm, but i think the HA guide used to be part of the user guides, and got split out at some point? 21:35:58 I consulted OpenStack devs on the Rackspace team, and then sent a message out to the dev-openstack mailing list. 21:36:19 Conversion is a tricky issue, I gathered. 21:36:19 JRobinson__: ah, somehow that one has passed me by, i'll check it out 21:36:41 Because there was no response to the dev-openstack mail, I moved the bug to wishlist 21:36:55 might be worth closing it WONTFIX 21:37:02 I might abandon the change if there is no strong opinions going forward. 21:37:08 ^are 21:37:14 or INCOMPLETE 21:37:19 yeah, good plan 21:37:37 okay, yes and change the bug to wontfix 21:37:40 loquacities: HA has been around for some time, was separate repository and we moved it into openstack-manuals. But it has very few contributors and several tries to revive it 21:37:49 HA is an architecture topic as well as a project topic and could also be an ops topic. This is why I am asking. 21:37:53 AJaeger: ah, ok 21:38:08 bsilverman: do you think it could be folded into the ops guide? 21:38:09 JRobinson__: Let me comment ... 21:38:24 AJaeger, no problem. 21:38:36 I'm not rushing to close it. 21:38:47 loquacities: Only parts of it would make sense, the ones that speak to operating the cloud that has HA components. 21:39:09 ok, let's start a discussion on the mailing list about this 21:39:18 and then we can discuss at the next meeting 21:39:18 loquacities: but, someone needs to talk about stateful and stateless services as well as network HA. 21:39:35 loquacities: and that leads to architecture discussions. 21:39:40 right 21:40:22 ok, i have another meeting i need to get to, any other issues? 21:40:48 ok, thanks everyone :) 21:40:56 Thank you all! 21:41:01 #endmeeting