21:02:12 #startmeeting docteam 21:02:13 Meeting started Thu Feb 9 21:02:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:02:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:02:17 The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' 21:02:19 There we go 21:02:31 woohoo 21:02:32 #topic Roll call! 21:02:34 o/ 21:02:40 o/ 21:02:41 o// 21:02:41 hiya 21:02:45 Ah it worked. I was about to say, the User Guide tag did that to me once. 21:02:50 And Hi o/ 21:03:06 Hahaha jrobinson thanks man. So weird, never happened to me before. 21:03:09 Oh well :p 21:03:13 Hey everyone :) 21:03:19 We'll give it a minute or two more to see what's up 21:03:35 o/ 21:03:45 o/ 21:03:46 \o/ 21:03:56 Hey guys! 21:04:03 you had a space before the # ;) 21:04:05 Good turn out today :) 21:04:11 loquacities: ahhhhhhhh thank you 21:04:20 Dat awkward mo when you think you cray 21:04:26 lol 21:04:53 Okay, shall we move on? Looks we like got a good team in today :) 21:05:37 #topic Action items from the last meeting 21:05:55 So far from what I can see, the only action was me: * ACTION: Alex to email specialty team leads about bug triaging 21:06:13 So, I messaged all cores, specialty team leads about bug triaging positions. Admittedly to little response. 21:06:18 I'd probably like to bring that up again 21:06:46 So, for those that weren't here last week - basically we don't have a great way of triaging new bugs in place. 21:06:57 My idea? Have a bug triager that rotates on a fortnightly (bi-weekly) basis. 21:07:15 are you just looking for people to start doing that? 21:07:26 or are you going to wait until after ocata goes out? 21:07:37 loquacities: mostly was looking for Ocata to go out, and see if there was any major disagreements on the matter first up. 21:07:51 Since there was no major disagreements - unless there is now? 21:07:54 ok 21:08:01 I'll send out an email asking for volunteers. 21:08:01 i think there's broad approval 21:08:16 yep - it was a good idea 21:08:18 Cool. Who would be able (here) to step up in Pike for this? 21:08:24 sign me up 21:08:27 o/ 21:08:27 Yes on the mailing list, there is some more discussion about how this pattern works on the Neutron team before. 21:08:37 Swell! Yeha, it's defs worked in the neutron team. 21:08:37 I'm also ready to triage. 21:08:40 o/ 21:08:45 Cool guys! 21:08:48 Well, let's start. 21:08:49 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams 21:08:54 If you wanna put your name down in the table 21:08:57 I'll organise the dates. 21:09:20 The issues column is simply for post-triage concerns. 21:09:30 Thanks everyone for volunteering :) 21:10:14 Shall we move on to the specialty team reports? 21:10:25 yep 21:10:35 #topic Specialty team reports 21:10:40 annegentle: you're first up with API :) 21:10:46 hola 21:10:49 o/ 21:11:13 so, the trove API docs are incomplete after migration, and a user reported the bug to the ML (you all probably saw that) 21:11:23 *nods* sure did 21:11:28 I've subscribed laurelm and triaged 21:11:39 I'll also log the missing clustering API info 21:12:01 Thanks annegentle :) 21:12:06 And then we're also meeting with flanders, the app dev community manager at the Foundation, to talk about goals for developer.openstack.org 21:12:15 all are welcome, of course 21:12:29 We sure are. If anyone's interested in poking their head in, ping me or annegentle :) 21:12:40 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+file:api-ref 21:12:53 and that's the current list of API reference docs reviews 21:13:11 and then also the NFV Orchestration (tacker) team landed their API ref this week. 21:13:26 O/ 21:13:36 Great :) 21:13:37 and I think that's all there is to report 21:13:39 Hey bsilverman_7 :) 21:13:41 Thanks annegentle :) 21:13:53 oh, one more thing 21:14:00 Hit it! 21:14:18 I want to be sure everyone knows I'd like to coach more people on API docs generally - I don't plan to always be the point person here 21:14:30 so let me know if you're interested 21:14:42 Good point, if anyone is interested in putting their hands up or knows someone that loves a good API please let us know :) 21:15:38 Okay, so, next up *would* be Kato but he has given us his apologies. 21:15:49 But in a small update, noted that: 21:16:18 Next up, iphutch with the HA Guide update :) 21:16:30 Sent a message to the ML looking for people interested in helping out on the HA guide for Pike. Planning for the PTG as I can’t attend. 21:16:58 Thanks iphutch :) 21:17:24 So, next up is the Hypervisor Tuning Guide with Blair. Although I have not been able to get in contact with Blair at all lately. Anyone aware of his presence? 21:17:33 loquacities or annegentle ? 21:17:33 haven't heard from him 21:17:42 Can't get a peep out of him in emails. 21:17:49 is he real? :) 21:17:50 kidding 21:17:54 i met him once 21:17:56 Hahahhaa figment of my imagination 21:17:58 :P 21:17:58 loquacities: woah continue 21:18:15 Speaking of loquacities - install guide. GO GIRL GO 21:18:16 haven't ever seen him in the same room as batman, though 21:18:20 right, ok 21:18:21 *oh* 21:18:41 so we have a landing page review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425821/12 21:18:47 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425821/12 landing page review 21:18:50 Yesss thank you nishpatwa007 21:18:55 absolutely :) 21:19:05 this is what it looks like so far: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/21/425821/12/check/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/54de4cb//publish-docs/www/project-install-guide/draft/index.html 21:19:23 also: testing is well underway: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OcataDocTesting#Installation_Guide 21:19:24 Very swish! 21:19:27 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OcataDocTesting#Installation_Guide 21:19:42 Sweet! Great news :) 21:19:48 so, obvs we still have more testing to do, and we need to land that patch, but we're on track :) 21:19:52 that's all from me :) 21:19:55 Great :) 21:20:12 Next up is John Davidge for the Networking guide but he's off. 21:20:24 But on his behalf - I can say that he's been smashing networking guide bugs out of the park 21:20:39 And he's working on a Networking Guide working group with the neutron team at the PTG 21:21:05 If anyone's interested in getting involved, hit John up! He'll probably run it over the docs and neutron day sessions (all week) to try and get some key deliverables smashed. 21:21:14 He is john-davidge on IRC :) 21:21:43 Next up, darrenc with Ops and Arch 21:21:58 cool 21:22:05 So there was email discussion last week on what to do with the arch guide 21:22:15 I *think* the general consensus is getting the draft guide published 21:22:31 I'll work with bsilverman_7 to prioritize a list of tasks for Pike, and create bug reports for each task 21:22:34 *nods* yep, let's do our best for Pike and push it out 21:22:46 Yes 21:22:58 Thanks bsilverman_7 :) 21:23:31 I think there is still one arch guide patch in review 21:23:32 Np. In an uber on way to airport. :-) 21:23:39 darrenc or bsilverman_7 what did you think of the data findings? 21:23:50 or ideas on other homes? 21:24:05 Interesting but inconclusive 21:24:23 I think it showed the arch guide is still needed 21:24:36 darrenc or could be combined with ops guide 21:24:41 darrenc was my other thought 21:24:52 Problems is annegentle we just moved the arch stuff out of the ops guide 21:25:16 heh. I'm behind then 21:25:27 Ues, showed that arch is still needed but not buried in ops guide 21:25:44 Ues/yes 21:25:56 yah, ok 21:26:15 so we should remove the arch content in the ops guide. It's been migrated to the arch guide 21:26:27 Looking forward to seeing what you guys have got for Pike :) 21:26:31 darrenc ok is it the same in both places? 21:27:45 Improvement s have been made in arch. 21:27:59 Well I movd across the content that was still relevant 21:28:18 and not out of date 21:28:45 cool darrenc I'd like to see the plan on the ML - thanks 21:29:01 but I was relying on bsilverman_7 and shaun's advice :) 21:29:09 will do 21:29:20 Okay, cool! 21:29:38 #action Darren C to send arch guide action plan to ML 21:29:54 I am full of "advice" see HA debate :-) 21:30:03 Apologies everyone - We've got a fair bit to cover just yet :) 21:30:11 Next up in Nathaniel with the Security Guide 21:30:22 He's not here but I can say that we have successfully moved the sec-guide bugs to the sec team to look after. 21:30:47 Sec and doc team to coordinate and come up with action plan for the future of the sec guide at the PTG :) 21:31:03 brilliant idea, that 21:31:03 Next up, Training Guides 21:31:09 loquacities: I am *soooo* brilliant :P 21:31:13 :) 21:31:24 :P 21:31:46 Okay, it appears Matjaz is not around for Training Guides 21:31:50 I have no update there. 21:31:53 Training labs! 21:32:11 Roger has left me with a little update note :) 21:32:34 yay! 21:32:36 The training-labs team are working on releasing their draft for Ocata to gain some traction (is the TL;DR if that above statement) 21:32:47 I've been attending their meetings to try and work with them a bit more :) 21:33:09 If anyone has more ideas on how to get support for training-labs - message myself, Pranav, or Roger! 21:33:21 And last, but not at all least, jrobinson with the User and Admin guides :) 21:34:09 Okay, so the legacy command changes have gone through well this release, 21:34:39 and the next steps is to check with the nova, neutron, cinder, and glance teams on the status of some specific project commands. 21:35:01 jrobinson: sounds good! What's left of the command changes? 21:35:03 At the same time, swift, trove, manila, and ceilometer do not have an OS command set ready yet. 21:36:09 I don't have an exact list of what's left to change since there is a large number of commands to go through, but I have been through the guides once so far, and a lot of the commands are now OpenStack. 21:36:35 Last thing is this patch: 21:36:38 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395729/ 21:36:40 jrobinson: that's terrific. Would you be able to go through the list perhaps and at the next meeting (which might be after the PTG?) let us know what's left? 21:36:45 CooL! 21:36:54 It's had workflow ticked twice, but not merged yet. 21:37:00 jrobinson: the depends-on is not merged. 21:37:14 It's got work to do :) so the gate won't pass until the other patch does 21:37:51 asettle, I'll give it a try, no guarantees I might miss a command in one of the files, however. 21:38:13 jrobinson: of course! Of course :) if you want help, please feel free to reach out at any time. 21:38:14 That's all the User Guide updates for now. 21:38:18 Thanks jrobinson :) 21:38:34 We have made it to the other side of reports! Hooray! 21:38:37 #topic Specs in review 21:38:45 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z 21:39:02 Which pretty much points to loquacities and archiving 21:39:04 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426047/ 21:39:08 loquacities: any updates for us? 21:39:10 Can we help at all? 21:39:16 not really, we can keep iterating 21:39:52 What's the odds on it being merged by the PTG? :) 21:40:02 yeah, it'll happen ;) 21:40:33 Cool :D 21:40:40 Thanks so much for that loquacities 21:40:55 Alright guys! 21:40:55 #topic Countdown to release: 21:41:06 So glad I copied across that colon there 21:41:08 #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20170222T13&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Ocata+Release+Day&font=hand 21:41:18 12 days people! 21:41:27 eep! 21:41:37 A reminder of our deliverables: 21:41:37 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OcataDeliverables 21:41:52 Now, just a quick shout out - does anyone need help with their action items? 21:42:17 I think the new meeting time has been good! 21:42:24 annegentle: that's good to hear! :D 21:42:32 How is this time suiting everyone? I know it's new. Doesn't suit everyone. 21:42:37 I'm still doing a happy dance every time I see HTTPS 21:42:41 But it's been a trial-period this release 21:42:58 annegentle: ugh yes! Kato and Andreas did an awesome job of updating that in 10.5 seconds too 21:43:06 PDF... yep :) 21:43:14 ianychoi: well hey night owl! 21:43:18 ianychoi wahoo dee hoo! 21:43:19 You have had like what, 5 hours sleep? 21:43:36 asettle, 5 hour sleeping right haha 21:43:39 I need Gopher and WAIS versions now. 21:43:40 :P terrible 21:43:47 annegentle, hi :) 21:43:52 Have you got time to give us a PDF update ianychoi ? :) 21:44:17 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2017-February/009627.html 21:44:50 I have summarized there: reviewing and applying to openstackdocstheme would be needed 21:45:05 ianychoi so I looked for reasoning for earlier font choices, and even at that time it took some reviewing to figure out the license. So I think you're better off with the liberation font. 21:45:52 annegentle, aha then using CartoGothic will have no license conflict? 21:46:03 ianychoi and sorry, I don't have an answer on different variables in conf.py 21:46:16 ianychoi it doesn't, and we checked years ago, but really, go with liberation if the license is ok 21:46:41 annegentle, aha i see! 21:46:48 #link http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/stable/latex.html 21:46:52 ianychoi and I think that we had to ship the ttfs 21:47:05 ianychoi to meet the licensing requirements, and let's not do that :) 21:47:50 I mainly followed the manual and current conf.py settings would be fine 21:48:20 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430549/ 21:48:30 The revised patch ships Liberation font! 21:49:07 ooh! cool :) 21:49:22 That's great ianychoi :) 21:49:28 Is there anything we can help you with? 21:49:38 ianychoi ok, cool, is Liberation both sanserif and serif? 21:50:38 annegentle, I shipped both of them Sans and Serif 21:50:44 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430549/6/doc/admin-guide/source/conf.py 21:50:51 Also mono 21:51:32 ianychoi ok, got it! Nice work. 21:51:52 Very cool :) 21:52:02 Yep.. then would it possible to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430263/ and release new openstckdocstheme version? 21:52:33 I'm sure once it's merged, bmoss and Maria would be happy to release :) (she says, throwing them under the bus) 21:52:45 +1 21:52:52 #action Team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430263/ 21:53:10 Sorry guys, we gotta get through the rest of the items here :) 21:53:11 Won't be too long 21:53:20 #topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 - planning underway! 21:53:29 Event info: 21:53:29 #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg 21:53:38 Tickets (in case anyone needs): 21:53:38 #link https://pikeptg.eventbrite.com/ 21:53:51 Planning! Don't forget to put your item up: 21:53:52 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike 21:54:04 ianychoi and I will begin our planning for our joint sessions 21:54:11 Reminder that docs is on Monday and Tuesday 21:54:14 Yep :) 21:54:28 If you wanna chat, but can't come, we can still represent you, OR have you virtually there :) 21:54:34 So don't be afraid to put your name or ideas down 21:54:53 #topic Boston Summit 21:55:00 CFP is now closed! 21:55:10 Looking forward to see who gets their talks in :) 21:55:17 For more info: 21:55:19 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/ 21:55:28 Sorry gotta zip now 21:55:33 #topic Bug triaging 21:55:45 Reminder to put your name down for bug triaging responsibilities: 21:55:49 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams 21:55:50 *phew* 21:55:56 #topic Open discussion 21:55:58 Everyone as you were 21:56:15 4 minutes left :) any questions, concerns? 21:56:24 Reminder that loquacities is technically the PTL sooooo I know nothing 21:56:25 :P 21:56:31 please ping me if you you are interested on collaborating for the HA guide in pike :) 21:56:38 Thanks iphutch :) 21:56:54 iphutch are you also asking the openstack-operators ML? 21:57:05 sure am 21:57:11 iphutch coo 21:57:14 cool even 21:57:42 On the ML, there has been a discussion about moving the admin guide to the developer repositories. Just a quick comment to say the Nova team might also be interested in a move. 21:57:50 And.. it seems that asettle now updates docs crossproject liaison: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation 21:57:58 Oh great jrobinson :) 21:58:06 Iphutch, I'll contact you after we clear the arch guide 21:58:06 ianychoi: I sure have been! 21:58:14 I18n-Docs liaison is katomo :) 21:58:22 We have a new faces in the Cross Project Doc world - few members are out, few in. We're chasing up a few others. 21:58:29 Hooray, thanks ianychoi :) 21:58:36 bsilverman_7: great! 21:58:59 jrobinson: we'll probably want to discuss that in depth at the PTG with ildikov 21:59:16 But perhaps if you and ildikov could sync up and form an action plan so it's less of a free-for-all - that would be great. 22:00:02 Also, if you wanna have a chat about something in these meeting schedules, please update: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting 22:00:04 On that note 22:00:06 We gotta scoot! 22:00:12 That was fast, woah 22:00:19 Any questions, concerns, feelings, head over to #openstack-doc 22:00:29 Let's start saying hello in our mornings! Make it friendly peeps! 22:00:36 Okay, Settle = Out! 22:00:36 C u all at PTG 22:00:36 Yep iime is going fast. Thanks a lot for today asettle + all docs team members! 22:00:45 s/iime/time 22:00:55 o/ 22:01:01 o/ 22:01:02 o/ 22:01:05 #endmeeting