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16:01:10 <pkovar> hello, who's around for today's meeting?
16:01:23 <eumel8> hello!
16:01:32 <eumel8> one guest, pls :)
16:01:41 <pkovar> alright :)
16:01:57 <eumel8> but I have no beer
16:02:00 <pkovar> let's give others 5 more mins
16:02:10 <eumel8> ok
16:02:13 <pkovar> eumel8: will be served later i believe
16:02:50 <eumel8> just arrived at home due some issues with the storm
16:03:07 <pkovar> ah, is everything okay?
16:03:15 <ianychoi_phone> o/
16:03:15 <pkovar> its cloudy here, no storms yet
16:03:38 <eumel8> yes, I'm alright. House and garden is also okay
16:03:39 <pkovar> hi, ianychoi_phone
16:03:39 <jungleboyj> @!
16:03:39 <_pewp_> jungleboyj (。･∀･)ﾉ
16:03:49 <ianychoi_phone> Hi pkovar !
16:03:59 <ianychoi_phone> jungleboyj: hello :)
16:04:27 <eumel8> hi ianychoi, jungleboy
16:04:42 <ianychoi_phone> eumel8: :)
16:05:40 <pkovar> okey, let's start with agenda
16:05:45 <pkovar> #topic Action items from the last meeting
16:05:57 <pkovar> we didn't have a mtg two weeks ago
16:06:10 <pkovar> so let's do a sum up for ptg in denver
16:06:17 <pkovar> Denver PTG Summary for Docs (and i18n)
16:06:26 <pkovar> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-September/003085.html
16:06:42 <pkovar> that's the summary email i sent to our MLs
16:06:54 <pkovar> with what i consider most important
16:07:15 <pkovar> in terms of decisions / action items
16:07:34 <pkovar> for more details, we have two etherpads with discussions
16:07:35 <pkovar> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens
16:07:49 <pkovar> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-future-problems
16:08:11 <pkovar> i know, next time we will just use one
16:08:43 <pkovar> Jimmy updated our vision document draft
16:08:47 <pkovar> and emailed the dev ML
16:08:56 <pkovar> so please comment and share your feedback
16:08:58 <jungleboyj> Saw that, trying to find time to get through it.
16:09:15 <pkovar> it's a WIP though
16:09:25 <ianychoi_phone> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123140.html
16:09:29 <pkovar> will add more udpates to the draft later
16:09:35 <pkovar> thanks!
16:09:39 <ianychoi_phone> Is it related with PTG result?
16:10:00 <pkovar> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xy78CnmnKlQ7SbR1XewqgrUdGe7DqnKAGYw_9aj5Ndg/edit#
16:10:20 <pkovar> is the link to the draft which we worked on at the ptg
16:10:40 <pkovar> we worked in groups and then shared the results with others in the room
16:10:54 <pkovar> and agreed to work some more on the draft with Jimmy
16:11:01 <pkovar> and share with the community
16:11:11 <ianychoi_phone> I see - I want to be more align with that although I didn't attend to last PTG
16:12:08 <pkovar> ianychoi_phone: if the current draft is not very clear and could use some more work, please let us know
16:12:34 <ianychoi_phone> pkovar: i will - thank u?
16:12:36 <ianychoi_phone> !
16:12:42 <pkovar> when this draft is finalized and approved by the community, we'd like to update our docs tags
16:14:01 <pkovar> so that it aligns with what the docs team currently does
16:14:19 <pkovar> so there will be a new docs spec proposed, etc.
16:15:10 <pkovar> comments on the team vision?
16:15:23 <ianychoi_phone> Nope yet
16:15:42 <pkovar> as for eol / retention policy
16:15:51 <pkovar> doug created a spec draft
16:15:57 <pkovar> so you can comment on that
16:16:16 <pkovar> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507629/
16:16:31 <pkovar> at the ptg, ppl agreed to resurrect mitaka docs
16:16:45 <pkovar> and stop deleting unsupported docs going forwards
16:16:54 <pkovar> forward, rather
16:17:02 <pkovar> from the docs site
16:17:07 <asettle> o/
16:17:08 <asettle> Sounds good
16:17:47 <pkovar> so, share your thoughts or +1's -1's etc.
16:18:48 <pkovar> anything else we want to cover for ptg topics?
16:19:43 <asettle> Nothing coming to mind right now
16:20:08 <pkovar> cool :)
16:20:10 <pkovar> moving on
16:20:24 <pkovar> #topic Bug Triage Team
16:20:42 <pkovar> you can still sign up at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams
16:20:49 <pkovar> if you want to help with bugs
16:21:08 <pkovar> if nobody takes  9 Oct - 23 Oct  i will do it :)
16:21:46 <pkovar> actually, i should also add we agreed to move older bugs to project components where applicable
16:21:53 <pkovar> at the ptg i mean
16:22:24 <pkovar> so if you spot a bug that's related to content moved to project repos during the grand migration
16:22:32 <pkovar> please move the bug accordingly :)
16:23:12 * eumel8 is looking at Bug Triage page
16:24:27 <pkovar> ah, did we lose ianychoi? the next topic is about pdfs :/
16:25:00 <pkovar> okay, let's first discuss sydney summit then, k?
16:25:33 <pkovar> #topic Sydney Summit
16:26:04 <pkovar> so there's a shared docs + i18n session planned for onboarding
16:26:10 <pkovar> new contributors
16:26:38 <pkovar> then we have a project update session
16:26:53 <pkovar> and three forum topics to cover during the week
16:27:02 <pkovar> one is about release notes
16:27:12 <pkovar> then ops guide
16:27:19 <pkovar> and finally install guide testing
16:27:26 <pkovar> no final schedule available
16:27:47 <pkovar> the update is that i'll eventually be there
16:28:13 <pkovar> who else is going?
16:29:19 <pkovar> let me add that the release notes session is to be run by Sylvain Bauza
16:29:21 <jungleboyj> I will be there.
16:29:32 <jungleboyj> Sorry for slow responses.  In two meetings.
16:29:37 <pkovar> and the ops session by Erik McCormick
16:29:44 <pkovar> no worries, jungleboyj
16:29:51 <eumel8> just to mention the onboarding session will be on Monday, Nov 6.
16:30:05 <pkovar> my understanding is that these need to be approved first though
16:30:26 <pkovar> that hasn't happened yet
16:30:30 <pkovar> thanks, eumel8
16:30:44 <pkovar> and we will have some translators there to cover the i18n part, right
16:30:45 <eumel8> it's to 90 % :-)
16:30:55 <pkovar> 90% sounds cool
16:31:29 <eumel8> We have the Australian Zanata guys there
16:31:38 <pkovar> i will let the group know when the docs sessions get approved, ofc
16:31:45 <pkovar> ah, that's right
16:31:55 <pkovar> i believe they are mostly based in brisbane
16:32:08 <pkovar> good, good
16:33:21 <pkovar> okay, so that's what i have for now for summit
16:33:28 <pkovar> comments? thoughts?
16:33:41 <eumel8> no
16:34:28 <pkovar> shall we talk about pdfs?
16:34:46 <pkovar> is Ian online?
16:34:51 <eumel8> maybe shift 10 min later
16:35:05 <eumel8> I think he is also at the way to home
16:35:32 <pkovar> i don't have other topics than open discussion
16:35:36 <pkovar> on the agenda
16:35:43 <pkovar> #topic Open discussion
16:36:23 <eumel8> normaly he has a short outage and after that he is mostly back online
16:36:57 <pkovar> so if we don't have other topics to discuss, let me share some pdf links with the group and see if he gets back :)
16:37:16 <eumel8> ok
16:37:26 <pkovar> #topic PDF builds
16:37:56 <pkovar> at the ptg the group agreed to provide pdf builds for project docs as well
16:38:06 <pkovar> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123076.html
16:38:32 <pkovar> Ian went ahead and started a review here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/
16:38:38 <pkovar> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/
16:38:45 <pkovar> yes, it's a wip
16:40:12 <pkovar> thank you goes to Ian
16:40:15 <pkovar> so, let's wait for 5 more mins and then end the mtg?
16:41:18 <eumel8> 3 assignees. Who are the other 2?
16:42:06 <pkovar> i'm not sure, actually
16:43:02 <eumel8> and gate check error
16:43:20 <pkovar> oh yeah, that could be another topic
16:43:28 <eumel8> maybe a new directory for queens which is not covered by the script
16:43:30 <pkovar> we've been getting many of those
16:43:34 <pkovar> recently
16:44:25 <pkovar> "pdf-unified-doc-builds.rst:document isn't included in any toctree"
16:44:32 <eumel8> yeah
16:44:45 <pkovar> so we should add it to index, basically
16:44:55 <pkovar> but it's a wip
16:47:31 <pkovar> anything else, anybody?
16:48:57 <eumel8> https://github.com/openstack/docs-specs/tree/master/specs
16:49:04 <eumel8> there is no queens dir
16:49:26 <jungleboyj> Quck question about doc build.
16:49:56 <jungleboyj> Has anyone seen an error like this before?  http://logs.openstack.org/50/507650/1/check/gate-python-cinderclient-docs-ubuntu-xenial/8c7a332/console.html#_2017-10-05_14_41_56_681375
16:49:56 <pkovar> eumel8: okay, i got confused by the tree structure
16:50:48 <pkovar> jungleboyj: nope, did you really reach that limit? 1000?
16:50:59 <eumel8> jungleboyj: nope
16:51:30 <jungleboyj> Not sure.  Happened in the check.  I think I had maybe seen that once building locally a lot time ago but don't know what caused it.
16:51:43 <jungleboyj> Guess we will just see if it happens again.
16:52:14 <pkovar> please let the group know if that happens
16:52:14 <eumel8> very strange
16:52:19 <pkovar> yeah
16:53:51 <jungleboyj> pkovar:  Will do.
16:54:07 <jungleboyj> Don't trust anything from the gate right now.  :-)
16:54:26 <pkovar> right! :)
16:54:27 <eumel8> ++
16:55:03 <eumel8> just wondering, the output comes from zuul, but it's an jenkins job
16:56:40 <eumel8> so, it seems ianychoi will not come back
16:57:27 <pkovar> let's catch him on irc or ML then
16:57:35 <eumel8> yeah
16:58:29 <pkovar> okay, thanks for attending, everybody, and for your work on openstack!
16:58:51 <eumel8> thx for the meeting :)
16:58:55 <pkovar> next mtg in two weeks
16:59:04 <eumel8> alright
16:59:11 <pkovar> #endmeeting