16:00:43 #startmeeting docteam 16:00:44 Meeting started Wed Nov 1 16:00:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:45 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:47 The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' 16:01:20 hey team, who's around? 16:01:20 o/ 16:01:26 o/ 16:01:40 \o 16:02:05 let's give it 4.5 mins before we start 16:05:18 Oh here is the meeting channel. Hi all 16:05:37 o/ 16:05:41 ianychoi: hey 16:05:50 pkovar, hello :) 16:06:12 alright, first topic is 16:06:19 #topic Docs team vision document 16:06:26 #info At final review 16:06:31 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514779/ 16:06:37 #info Sent a reminder asking for more input 16:06:42 to Mls 16:06:47 #info Let's close by Thu, before the Summit 16:06:53 unless there are objections? 16:07:15 thanks for voting and reviews, everybody 16:07:30 by close i mean merge 16:07:58 Good good :) 16:08:26 we've got 5 +2's so that's not that bad 16:08:35 that's a lot ;) 16:08:45 actually, you're right, it is AJaeger 16:09:33 any other comments on this? let the team know :) 16:10:12 next topic 16:10:16 #topic Docs retention policy changes 16:10:27 #info We've just approved this spec. Thanks Doug for putting this together! 16:10:31 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507629 16:10:33 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507629 16:10:38 well, not just... 16:10:49 related to this is 16:10:52 #info Flagging deprecated releases 16:10:57 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123381.html 16:11:24 people are preparing for summit so the progress has been slower 16:11:35 than right after the ptg 16:12:16 but we've got volunteers who expressed interest in helping out with badges 16:12:31 so i think we are on track with this 16:13:12 next topic? 16:13:28 #topic Branches vs "everything in master" 16:13:41 this came up yesterday in this channel 16:13:50 #info Common Install Guide content should be branched/split up per-release? 16:14:09 though it's not just about the install guide, for sure 16:14:40 (Sorry - I need to go out. I will see and follow the meeting minute.) 16:14:46 we kinda made a decision to document multiple releases in a single install guide doc for pike 16:15:46 if we branched or split up the install guide doc, it would allow for a better content flow and structure, i think 16:16:16 chason proposed creating a branch 16:16:20 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516523/ 16:16:37 ianychoi: nw, see you later 16:17:02 what are everybody's thoughts on pros and cons re branching? 16:17:06 Yes, I agree with asettle, just like it all clean and separated. :) 16:17:45 chason: are there other documents that would benefit from branching? or just the install guide common content? 16:18:01 we always have the challenge with multiple versions. A new distro release might come out at any time - and then our newest release documents a previous one. So, if we branch, let's make clear what we document where. 16:18:39 One option: Document the current version at OpenStack release time; no distro update in stable - only in master. 16:18:52 But there are others as well... 16:20:13 AJaeger: so the current version would stay in master until the next version is released? 16:20:49 pkovar: yes 16:20:50 no draft content? 16:21:03 pkovar: we got rid of draft content - and draft was always master 16:21:04 or latest as in devel 16:21:12 yes, we use latest = master 16:21:34 so latest would be stable, not "devel"? 16:21:53 lastest is devel 16:22:14 latest = devel = master = the next release - iff we branch 16:22:53 and current = branch = the current release - iff we branch? 16:23:10 current stable i mean 16:23:37 iff we branch, then we follow the same method as the projects, so we would have stable/queens once/after they branch 16:24:37 right, i got confused by the location of where current stable content would live 16:26:17 i'll try to get more input from ppl attending summit next week 16:26:22 sure 16:26:40 but if you have a preference for any of the possible options, please let us know :) 16:26:42 Agree 16:27:08 i can see that by following what other projects do, we would be more consistent 16:27:53 other comments? 16:28:43 okay, next is summit 16:28:44 branching is always extra work, let's write down the options and figure out what is easier... 16:29:02 AJaeger: do we need a new spec for that? 16:29:19 pkovar: yes, please 16:29:34 /me is updating the team's todo list 16:30:42 #topic OpenStack Summit Sydney 16:30:55 #info Quite a few docs-related sessions scheduled 16:31:03 #info Installation Guides and Tutorials Updates and Testing 16:31:09 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20448/installation-guides-and-tutorials-updates-and-testing 16:31:16 #info Docs - Project Update 16:31:21 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20373/docs-project-update 16:31:26 #info Docs/i18n - Project Onboarding 16:31:31 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20550/docsi18n-project-onboarding 16:31:35 #info Ops Guide Transition and Maintenance 16:31:40 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20446/ops-guide-transition-and-maintenance 16:31:45 #info Documentation and relnotes, what do you miss? 16:31:50 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20468/documentation-and-relnotes-what-do-you-miss 16:31:55 #info How Zanata powers upstream collaboration with OpenStack internationalization 16:31:59 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20007/how-zanata-powers-upstream-collaboration-with-openstack-internationalization 16:32:09 hope i didn't miss anything :) 16:32:21 who will be around? 16:32:45 if you are, you are most welcome to join the sessions 16:32:59 * AJaeger won't 16:33:01 esp, project onboarding 16:33:47 i'm hoping we could attract new people to work on core suite or project docs 16:34:56 get updates on what's the progress of install guide testing, if this is something we want to continue doing 16:35:07 talk about ops docs 16:35:21 provided they are people interested in maintaining the content 16:35:26 that used to live in ops guide 16:35:32 that we had to kill 16:35:52 etc. 16:37:18 is there anything the team wants to bring up as a topic with summit people? 16:39:01 okay, a couple of announcements from previous meeting brought forward 16:39:07 #topic sitemap automation suggestions 16:39:11 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123228.html 16:39:29 feedback still welcome wrt potential scope, etc. 16:40:29 #topic Bug Triage Team 16:40:34 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams 16:40:59 you can still sign up if you are into triaging fun 16:41:08 or just want to help out 16:41:33 big thanks to those who have been traiging last month 16:41:58 even if they didn't officially sign up :) 16:42:15 triaging, rather 16:42:29 #topic PDF builds 16:42:34 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ 16:42:51 pkovar After the doc migration, we have little bug report. 16:42:51 ianychoi had to leave, so i guess we skip this one? 16:43:04 chason: good point 16:43:15 do we still need a bug triage team then? 16:44:02 Maybe not. ;( 16:45:05 #topic Open discussion 16:45:43 other thoughts, opinions, comments, concerns? 16:46:13 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512136/ 16:46:44 Can we try to merge this patch? :) 16:46:57 i think we can! :) 16:47:09 thanks for working on this, chason 16:47:17 yw 16:47:30 i will review 16:47:51 Thanks! :D 16:47:51 #info cores, if you are available, please review 16:47:59 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512136/ 16:48:41 any other issues with deploy guides? 16:49:39 guess no 16:49:51 hope we finally solved them all ;) 16:49:55 thanks goes to all of you who have been fixing issues 16:50:10 thumbs up 16:50:23 https://docs.openstack.org/pike/deploy/ the OSA link is still not working for me 16:50:50 hmm, https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/openstack-ansible/pike/ works for me 16:51:00 eumel8 But I am fine. 16:51:46 ah 16:51:53 cache issue? 16:51:55 firefox hard core caching 16:51:58 eumel8: both work for me 16:52:04 eumel8 maybe you need to clean your web browser's cache or change your web browser. 16:52:12 it works with IE ;) 16:52:12 try incognito mode 16:52:43 IE ftw hehe 16:52:46 chason: I never clean the cache ;) 16:53:54 eumel8 Aha..I could say, me too.. :P 16:55:40 alright, i think we can end this mtg then 16:55:56 thank you for attending 16:55:59 #endmeeting